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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote:
Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!! Will it be like this? http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398 If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses? I'll keep my FZ35. |
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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
On Mon, 09 May 2011 15:51:01 -0500, Rich wrote:
Bowser wrote in news:3J- : On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote: Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!! Will it be like this? http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398 If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses? I'll keep my FZ35. Well, you have a point. Any camera outfitted with such a sensor will be a huge compromise. I think though the selling feature will be the ability to mount a very small lens (the old Pentax 24mm lens is the size of an old SLR hot shoe, almost) and carry the camera comfortably in your pocket, with perhaps a longer lens or zoom in another pocket, if needed. You can't do that with a lumpen Superzoom. Canon G12? Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
On 5/9/2011 4:51 PM, Rich wrote:
wrote in news:3J- : On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote: Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!! Will it be like this? http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398 If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses? I'll keep my FZ35. Well, you have a point. Any camera outfitted with such a sensor will be a huge compromise. I think though the selling feature will be the ability to mount a very small lens (the old Pentax 24mm lens is the size of an old SLR hot shoe, almost) and carry the camera comfortably in your pocket, with perhaps a longer lens or zoom in another pocket, if needed. You can't do that with a lumpen Superzoom. True enough, but will a camera that small be usable? Even for those of us with average size hands, I can't see how it will be anything but clumsy. Even the NEX 5 is cutting it close for being too small. We'll see. No point debating the pros and cons of rumored cams. In the meantime, I'll continue to enjoy the three cams I do have since I'm pretty sure they're not rumors. |
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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
On 5/9/2011 6:06 PM, Bruce wrote:
wrote: wrote in news:3J- : On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote: Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!! Will it be like this? http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398 If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses? I'll keep my FZ35. Well, you have a point. Any camera outfitted with such a sensor will be a huge compromise. I think though the selling feature will be the ability to mount a very small lens (the old Pentax 24mm lens is the size of an old SLR hot shoe, almost) and carry the camera comfortably in your pocket, with perhaps a longer lens or zoom in another pocket, if needed. You can't do that with a lumpen Superzoom. The FZ35/38 is a particularly compact camera, much smaller than some other superzooms. But if you want a truly pocketable camera, there are quite a few P&S digicams that have *both* excellent image quality *and* a useful zoom range. Staying with Panasonic, the LUMIX DMC-ZS10 (TZ20 in Europe) and ZS-8 (TZ18) offer a very slim, easily pocketable form factor and extremely good image quality. A 14.1 MP sensor, an image processor with very good control of noise, 1080i AVCHD video (720P MPEG on the cheaper ZS-8) and a 16X zoom Leica-badged lens (24-384 mm equivalent) makes for a very good package. All this for under $350 at B&H. Of course these cameras won't suit the DSLR snobs, even though most of those haven't a hope in hell of demonstrating any superiority over the results these fine digicams can produce. Hey! Does this make you a "superzoom snob?" :-) |
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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
On 5/9/2011 5:14 PM, Bruce wrote:
wrote: On 5/8/2011 8:28 PM, RichA wrote: Rumours still that Nikon is working on an EVIL with a sensor with about 1/2 the area of 4/3rds while Pentax is working on one with a sensor the size of...a superzoom P&S!!! Will it be like this? http://www.pbase.com/andersonrm/image/134548398 If Pentax does ape their failed 110 camera, it'll fail as well. What would you rather carry, that stupid little interchangeable lens camera or a good quality superzoom where you don't have to change lenses? The Pentax 110 SLR was a niche produce way back when. I agree it would be crazy to ape it in a CSC, although there is already a Pentax P&S which looks very like it: http://www.dpreview.com/news/1001/10...axoptioi10.asp I'll keep my FZ35. I'm very impressed with my partner's FZ38 (same model as the FZ35). Very, very, very few people need any more camera than this. ;-) I use mine all the time, unless the situation calls for the 5D II. But Panasonic did a nice job on the FZ35. Best JPG engine on the market, and an auto mode that really, really works well. Love it. |
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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
On 5/10/2011 7:04 AM, Bruce wrote:
wrote: Hey! Does this make you a "superzoom snob?" :-) No, but there is nothing wrong with singing their praises. People who obsess about pixel densities and unquestioningly assert that only DSLRs will do are denying themselves the opportunity to use these outstanding cameras. Likewise, anyone who claims that ANY camera, superzoom or not, is good for everything is also denying reality. I've yet to see a one size fits all solution. |
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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
On 5/10/2011 9:36 AM, Bruce wrote:
wrote: On 5/10/2011 7:04 AM, Bruce wrote: wrote: Hey! Does this make you a "superzoom snob?" :-) No, but there is nothing wrong with singing their praises. People who obsess about pixel densities and unquestioningly assert that only DSLRs will do are denying themselves the opportunity to use these outstanding cameras. Likewise, anyone who claims that ANY camera, superzoom or not, is good for everything is also denying reality. I've yet to see a one size fits all solution. True, but a good superzoom comes very close, satisfying the needs of more people than any other camera type. Quite a few people find superzooms intimidating, and want something smaller and/or simpler, and a P&S is ideal for them. P&S and superzooms together cover the needs of the vast majority of camera users. Very few people need a DSLR, but many more people buy them than need them. Perhaps mirrorless CSCs offer a good compromise? Not until the Af improves. For all the hype, the AF systems (at least the models I've tried) still can't touch SLR AF. So if you need to shoot moving subjects you are better served by an SLR. Likewise with low lighting situations where the larger sensors offer a huge advantage. Combine the two, and you get high school football at night, where you have action plus crap lighting. Luckily, I'm done with that! Anyway, the FZ35 will see a lot of action this summer, for sure. Besides the nice lens, the small size makes it a perfect "bike bag" camera. I can grab it from the pouch and shoot while riding so the group doesn't have to stop while I screw around with a camera. Works well this way, too! |
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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
Bruce wrote:
Bowser wrote: Likewise, anyone who claims that ANY camera, superzoom or not, is good for everything is also denying reality. I've yet to see a one size fits all solution. True, but a good superzoom comes very close, satisfying the needs of more people than any other camera type. I doubt that. See how many people use their mobile phone camera and are happy enough with it --- happy enough to use it and not carry another camera with them for most of the time. So I respectfully submit that the humble mobile phone camera satisfies the need of more people than the superzoom. Quite a few people find superzooms intimidating, and want something smaller and/or simpler, and a P&S is ideal for them. The camera phone is always with you, small and usually really simple. Even a P&S cannot beat that. P&S and superzooms together cover the needs of the vast majority of camera users. Again I disagree. See above. Camera users happen to include mobile phone camera users. Very few people need a DSLR, but many more people buy them than need them. "Very few" people are professional photographers, who also need the image quality under iffy conditions and MPix DSLRs can offer. Amateurs by definition do not *need* cameras, they can just find another hobby. Perhaps mirrorless CSCs offer a good compromise? That would depend on why people who don't "need" a DSLR buy a DSLR. -Wolfgang |
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Real portability? Nikon and Pentax are working on it
Bruce wrote:
Bowser wrote: Not until the Af improves. For all the hype, the AF systems (at least the models I've tried) still can't touch SLR AF. So if you need to shoot moving subjects you are better served by an SLR. That's changing, though not as rapidly as I thought. It'd better be. The Panasonic LUMIX DMC-GH2 has an ultra-fast contrast-detect AF system that would shame most of today's DSLRs. Dpreview, while impressed (for a CDAF), doesn't think the AF "would shame most of today's DSLRs" ... I read there that they'd prefer a DSLR for fast action. I'd like to see tests in bad conditions (low light, low contrast, both, etc.) with reliable numbers for from misfocussed to shot time. It is fast, decisive and extremely accurate - the latter cannot be truthfully said of many DSLRs' phase-detect systems, which tend to have systematic errors. There are also systematic errors in sensor mountings, lens mounts and lenses --- guess how many lenses are actually 100% parallel to the sensor. Most PDAFs function very well, thank you. -Wolfgang |
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