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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
tony cooper wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:08:14 -0500, Alan Browne wrote: SMS wrote: Alan Browne wrote: nospam wrote: In article , John Smith wrote: Read Ken Rockwell's astute article you mean the guy who fabricates a lot of what he writes? that's not what i'd call astute. How the hell can you accuse him of not being an astute fiction writer? Did you send him any money to help him continue his fiction career? I've sent him e-mails telling him what an idiot he is on a few of his pet issues. He doesn't seem to have profited from that. Strangely enough, people don't seem to be receptive to "Dear Idiot" e-mails. Well, they weren't addressed that way of course but I'm sure even he could read between the lines. Well, on second thought... OTOH, I doubt very much that I was the only one to point out to him that his "JPG only/JPG is enough" approach is pretty bad utilization of a camera sensor. I can't remember offhand what other issues I had with him ... I confuse him with the even more opaque generalizations of the NYY's Pogue. Suffice it to say that on the occasions that KR is right, you have to double check with more reputable sources in any case before taking his vice, er, advice. -- -- r.p.e.35mm user resource: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpe35mmur.htm -- r.p.d.slr-systems: http://www.aliasimages.com/rpdslrsysur.htm -- [SI] gallery & rulz: http://www.pbase.com/shootin -- e-meil: Remove FreeLunch. -- usenet posts from gmail.com and googlemail.com are filtered out. |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
"SMS" wrote in message ... Alan Browne wrote: SMS wrote: Stephen Bishop wrote: Yet the Nikon gear is still capable of better image quality than any Olympus. Look at any camera review online. Maybe the clerk knows more than you think? Also, the store's margins on off-brand equipment like Olympus, Pentax, and Minolta were always higher than the margins on Canon and Nikon. If "off-brand"? Yeah, my mistake. I meant "second-tier." The less popular gear comes with bigger spiffs and bigger margins from the manufacturers. Are you sure about this? Because it has been reported Sony is losing money on its DSLRs. But I can ask some people directly on the retail side and see what they say. It's been my experience that there is a bit of everything that drives retail sellers, from spiffs to personal preference to genuine concern for what a customer gets. |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
Alan Browne wrote,on my timestamp of 13/12/2008 8:08 AM:
How the hell can you accuse him of not being an astute fiction writer? Did you send him any money to help him continue his fiction career? I've sent him e-mails telling him what an idiot he is on a few of his pet issues. He doesn't seem to have profited from that. Like that of many others, his opinion is that arseholes who populate Usenet calling everyone an idiot are not worth wasting time with. And you fit the pattern perfectly. |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
Noons wrote:
Alan Browne wrote,on my timestamp of 13/12/2008 8:08 AM: How the hell can you accuse him of not being an astute fiction writer? Did you send him any money to help him continue his fiction career? I've sent him e-mails telling him what an idiot he is on a few of his pet issues. He doesn't seem to have profited from that. Like that of many others, his opinion is that arseholes who populate Usenet calling everyone an idiot are not worth wasting time with. And you fit the pattern perfectly. Ah, the perfect Pot-Kettle post. |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
SMS wrote in news:dVI%k.6340$pr6.583
@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com: RichA wrote: Potential Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x is already in prototype! You knew this would happen. Nikon got blindsided by Canon's 5D Mark II which is far superior to the the D700. At high ISOs, at the RAW level, this is true. The 5D2 has more resolution, and less read noise per pixel, no less per image. However, the 5D2 is horrible at ISO 100, in the deep shadows. The 5D2 has only 65% more read noise at ISO 1600 than at ISO 100, and a good visible deal of that ISO 100 noise is banding noise. Canon blew the deep DR on this camera, completely. Sabotaged to protect the 1Ds3 market, as far a studio work is concerned? Perhaps. |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
John Sheehy wrote:
the 5D2 is horrible at ISO 100, in the deep shadows. Why? -- Paul Furman www.edgehill.net www.baynatives.com all google groups messages filtered due to spam |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:58:49 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote: tony cooper wrote: On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:08:14 -0500, Alan Browne wrote: SMS wrote: Alan Browne wrote: nospam wrote: In article , John Smith wrote: Read Ken Rockwell's astute article you mean the guy who fabricates a lot of what he writes? that's not what i'd call astute. How the hell can you accuse him of not being an astute fiction writer? Did you send him any money to help him continue his fiction career? I've sent him e-mails telling him what an idiot he is on a few of his pet issues. He doesn't seem to have profited from that. Strangely enough, people don't seem to be receptive to "Dear Idiot" e-mails. Well, they weren't addressed that way of course but I'm sure even he could read between the lines. Well, on second thought... OTOH, I doubt very much that I was the only one to point out to him that his "JPG only/JPG is enough" approach is pretty bad utilization of a camera sensor. I can't remember offhand what other issues I had with him ... I confuse him with the even more opaque generalizations of the NYY's Pogue. Suffice it to say that on the occasions that KR is right, you have to double check with more reputable sources in any case before taking his vice, er, advice. Don't take anything KR says about cameras to the bank. He doesn't even know what he likes. With all his rants about how film is better than digital, he still can't keep himself from pre-ordering every new high-end dslr that comes along, only to say that his cheap film cameras give better results. I also take issue with his rants against RAW. If he is such an electronics imaging expert, then why isn't he employed? However, as I mentioned in another post, he does have some very good insight into the subject of photography itself. Those writings of his are very much worth reading. I just ignore what he says about his favorite camera of the week. But on balance, his website is entertaining and sometimes even useful. |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 16:46:04 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote: SMS wrote: Alan Browne wrote: SMS wrote: Stephen Bishop wrote: Yet the Nikon gear is still capable of better image quality than any Olympus. Look at any camera review online. Maybe the clerk knows more than you think? Also, the store's margins on off-brand equipment like Olympus, Pentax, and Minolta were always higher than the margins on Canon and Nikon. If "off-brand"? Yeah, my mistake. I meant "second-tier." The less popular gear comes with bigger spiffs and bigger margins from the manufacturers. Of course it varies by product, with the top-selling products receiving the least spiffs and the smallest margins. There is nothing "2nd tier" about any of them, although the lack of full frame in Pentax and Oly is certainly excluding them from top consideration now. Also, remember when film was king, Nikon and Canon were also "top tier." But that never prevented anyone shooting Pentax, Minolta or Olympus from getting excellent results. It's what lies between your ears that matters, not what you hold in your hands. Choose the tool that feels best and doesn't get in the way of creating images. But if absolute image quality is important, there is a reason why Nikon and Canon are at the top of the heap. With film, the camera brand wasn't nearly as important as long as you were using good film and a decent lens. Of course, those "second tier" cameras are quite capable of excellent results. |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:52:01 -0500, "RichA"
wrote: "SMS" wrote in message .. . Alan Browne wrote: SMS wrote: Stephen Bishop wrote: Yet the Nikon gear is still capable of better image quality than any Olympus. Look at any camera review online. Maybe the clerk knows more than you think? Also, the store's margins on off-brand equipment like Olympus, Pentax, and Minolta were always higher than the margins on Canon and Nikon. If "off-brand"? Yeah, my mistake. I meant "second-tier." The less popular gear comes with bigger spiffs and bigger margins from the manufacturers. Are you sure about this? Because it has been reported Sony is losing money on its DSLRs. But I can ask some people directly on the retail side and see what they say. It's been my experience that there is a bit of everything that drives retail sellers, from spiffs to personal preference to genuine concern for what a customer gets. Sony is losing money on their cameras? My personal biased opinion is that they should have kept the Minolta name, which has a long history of photography expertise behind it. The Sony brand is too much associated with cheap consumer electronics and televisions, and probably isn't the best choice for attracting serious photographers. But what do I know, I don't have a degree in marketing. |
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Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype
In rec.photo.digital.slr-systems Stephen Bishop wrote:
On Fri, 12 Dec 2008 19:52:01 -0500, "RichA" wrote: "SMS" wrote in message . .. Alan Browne wrote: SMS wrote: Stephen Bishop wrote: Yet the Nikon gear is still capable of better image quality than any Olympus. Look at any camera review online. Maybe the clerk knows more than you think? Also, the store's margins on off-brand equipment like Olympus, Pentax, and Minolta were always higher than the margins on Canon and Nikon. If "off-brand"? Yeah, my mistake. I meant "second-tier." The less popular gear comes with bigger spiffs and bigger margins from the manufacturers. Are you sure about this? Because it has been reported Sony is losing money on its DSLRs. But I can ask some people directly on the retail side and see what they say. It's been my experience that there is a bit of everything that drives retail sellers, from spiffs to personal preference to genuine concern for what a customer gets. Sony is losing money on their cameras? My personal biased opinion is that they should have kept the Minolta name, which has a long history of photography expertise behind it. The Sony brand is too much associated with cheap consumer electronics and televisions, and probably isn't the best choice for attracting serious photographers. What matters is not whether Sony makes cheap electronic goods, but whether it's also capable of making very good ones. Historically Sony has made some of the highest quality (and very expensive) TVs, very high resolution CRT monitors, portable cassette recorders, and digital movie cameras, in some cases making a product that many argue was the best that could be got at any price. And it's still doing that. Minolta had a reputation for making extremely good lenses and not quite such good camera bodies. As any serious photographer ought to know, you can fit those old Minolta lenses onto a new Sony DSLR. Of course they are too old to have VR built into the lens, but that doesn't matter because Sony has put the VR in the camera body. And as any photographer serious enough to read serious technical reviews of lenses ought to know, Sony's latest expensive high quality lenses seem to be up to the old Minolta standards. -- Chris Malcolm |
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