Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x already in prototype

RichA wrote:
Potential Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x is already in prototype!

You knew this would happen. Nikon got blindsided by Canon's 5D Mark II
which is far superior to the the D700. Alas, not sure if the D700x will
help Nikon all that much at the high end at this point in time. What
Nikon really needs to compete at the high end is a whole new line of
lenses that can match the high quality of Canon's BWLs (big white
lenses). Until Nikon comes out with a fluorite lens, they'll be unable
to make much headway at the high end.

In article , SMS
wrote:

RichA wrote:
Potential Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x is already in prototype!

You knew this would happen.

it hasn't happened yet. it's a *rumour*.

Nikon got blindsided by Canon's 5D Mark II
which is far superior to the the D700.

in some ways yes, in other ways no.

Alas, not sure if the D700x will
help Nikon all that much at the high end at this point in time. What
Nikon really needs to compete at the high end is a whole new line of
lenses that can match the high quality of Canon's BWLs (big white
lenses). Until Nikon comes out with a fluorite lens, they'll be unable
to make much headway at the high end.

we've been through this before. both companies make excellent lenses
and flourite is not a requirement.

On Tue, 09 Dec 2008 23:22:30 -0800, nospam
wrote:

In article , SMS
wrote:

RichA wrote:
Potential Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x is already in prototype!

You knew this would happen.

it hasn't happened yet. it's a *rumour*.

Nikon got blindsided by Canon's 5D Mark II
which is far superior to the the D700.

in some ways yes, in other ways no.

Alas, not sure if the D700x will
help Nikon all that much at the high end at this point in time. What
Nikon really needs to compete at the high end is a whole new line of
lenses that can match the high quality of Canon's BWLs (big white
lenses). Until Nikon comes out with a fluorite lens, they'll be unable
to make much headway at the high end.

we've been through this before. both companies make excellent lenses
and flourite is not a requirement.

.... unless you are making bread for Superman.



Eric Stevens

"nospam" wrote in message
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In article , SMS
wrote:

RichA wrote:
Potential Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x is already in prototype!

You knew this would happen.

it hasn't happened yet. it's a *rumour*.

Now don't you bring facts into a debate started by Richard Anderson, all his
"insider info" comes from $10/hour Toronto Henry's salesdroids.

Camera sales people are either failed photographers, or wannabees

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Camera sales people are either failed photographers, or wannabees

Many aren't even that qualified.

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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:47:21 -0500, Alan Browne
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wrote:

Camera sales people are either failed photographers, or wannabees

Many aren't even that qualified.

Should that bother anyone buying a camera from a camera store?

A failed photographer is someone who tried to make a business out of
photography and failed. Lack of knowledge of camera equipment and
photographic techniques would be far down on the list of reasons for
failure. Lack of people skills and lack of business skills are the
reasons that most would-be professional photographers can't make a go
of it as a business. Lack of capital would the next item on the list.

You have basically two groups of camera sales people: big box sales
clerks and camera store sales clerks. Rarely will you find a big box
camera sales clerk that is more than minimally knowledgeable. If that.
Usually, you will find dedicated camera store clerks to be
knowledgeable and helpful. There are exceptions in both groups, of
course, but that's the way it usually works.

The people who have trouble with camera store sales clerks are the
amateurs who come into the store thinking that they know more than the
clerk and are more intent on proving this than they are in being
informed. The clerks usually figure this out early in the
conversation and stop being helpful. They know they aren't going to
convince this know-it-all that (brand) lenses are good, and they just
lay back and let the customer run the show. Then the customer struts
out thinking "That guy isn't qualified to sell cameras".

I suspect, based on the threads in these photography groups, that many
of the regular posters are in this category.

And, no, I am not - nor have ever been - a camera store clerk.





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On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 18:59:04 -0500, tony cooper
wrote:

The people who have trouble with camera store sales clerks are the
amateurs who come into the store thinking that they know more than the
clerk and are more intent on proving this than they are in being
informed. The clerks usually figure this out early in the
conversation and stop being helpful. They know they aren't going to
convince this know-it-all that (brand) lenses are good, and they just
lay back and let the customer run the show. Then the customer struts
out thinking "That guy isn't qualified to sell cameras".

No, the people who have problems with camera store clerks are those that know
more than the clerk ever will. They quickly find out that the clerk is trying to
pawn off the item that will make the most money for the store or clerk and has
the highest retail markup. Then when you try to explain to the ignorant clerk
whey they are ignorant, the start pulling red-herring sales tactics that make
themselves look even more stupid. So you have to sit there and argue with that
ignorant moron clerk trying to convince them you don't want what's popular and
what all the other people are buying, because you only want the camera that you
came for, which you've already researched and found it to be better than
anything that idiot clerk would ever know about.

I can't even begin to tell you how many times this happened in the SLR days when
I was trying to buy Olympus and Zuiko gear and the ****ing moron clerk would
always try to pawn off that "popular" crap-Nikon **** on me. That made more
money for him, and that's the ONLY reason they would try that sales-tactic crap.

You sound just like one of those gawd-awful idiot sales clerks trying to defend
your stupidity and ignorance. I've come this close to punching your
particular kind of self-serving idiot in the face, many times.

tony cooper wrote:
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008 16:47:21 -0500, Alan Browne
wrote:

wrote:

Camera sales people are either failed photographers, or wannabees

Many aren't even that qualified.

Should that bother anyone buying a camera from a camera store?

Tony, don't take my snarky comments so seriously. After years of many
cameras, lenses, accessories, etc. via many stores, when I walk in the
shop it is because the sale was made telephone the day before on my
spec. (Unless mail ordered).

In an internet world, the well prepared buyer does not need (indeed
wishes to avoid) the advice of the photo store sales clerk.

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On 2008-12-09 21:55:45 -0800, SMS said:

RichA wrote:
Potential Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x is already in prototype!

You knew this would happen. Nikon got blindsided by Canon's 5D Mark II
which is far superior to the the D700. Alas, not sure if the D700x will
help Nikon all that much at the high end at this point in time. What
Nikon really needs to compete at the high end is a whole new line of
lenses that can match the high quality of Canon's BWLs (big white
lenses). Until Nikon comes out with a fluorite lens, they'll be unable
to make much headway at the high end.

And here we have the Canon troll arguing with the other troll.
Ignorance arguing with ignorance. It ain't pretty.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

C J Campbell wrote:
On 2008-12-09 21:55:45 -0800, SMS said:

RichA wrote:
Potential Nikon D3x buyers beware - D700x is already in prototype!

You knew this would happen. Nikon got blindsided by Canon's 5D Mark II
which is far superior to the the D700. Alas, not sure if the D700x
will help Nikon all that much at the high end at this point in time.
What Nikon really needs to compete at the high end is a whole new line
of lenses that can match the high quality of Canon's BWLs (big white
lenses). Until Nikon comes out with a fluorite lens, they'll be unable
to make much headway at the high end.

And here we have the Canon troll arguing with the other troll. Ignorance
arguing with ignorance. It ain't pretty.

However, it is amusing....
barely.

I'd call it more the anti-Canon Missioner vs. the Cowardly Pest.....

Mileage variable....

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john mcwilliams