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Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:42:19 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On 2010-12-20 04:40:23 -0800, Bruce said: "David J Taylor" wrote: I remember when Japanese-made products were routinely criticised as junk on exactly the same basis - the same blind prejudice. Same here, and I already made that point. Apologies for repeating it, but it needs emphasising that China is following much the same path as Japan did nearly half a century ago. I remember friends who scoffed at my shiny new Honda motorcycle which, according to them, didn't match up to their British bikes. But my Honda took me everywhere reliably and economically, whereas they needed to pack a set of tools every time they left home and always ended up tinkering with their bikes during a journey. Within a very few years, Japanese bikes took over most of the market and Britain's largest manufacturer, BSA/Triumph, had closed. Aah! The folly of the English motorcycle engineers. I can think of two things, suggested at the time which BSA/Triumph could have done to help their cause in the 60's, and which in their, "but we have been doing it this way since 1932" wisdom they refused to do. Dump the cork faced clutch, and re-engineer/re-design the vertically split crankcase. My cousin's Triumph 500 was always in pieces needing cluch repairs and always leaked oil due to the vertical-split crank case which never sealed properly. I found that Rolls Royce gasket cement did a good job of keeping the oil in my Triumph 500. My 305 Honda 305 Super Hawk would just run, and had an electric starter! The English motorcycle industry was locked into their post war "Golden age" of the late 40's-early 50's using pre-war 1930's manufacturing technology and design. That was the real problem. The British motorcycle industry was stuck with what were basically pre-war designs because they were stuck with pre-war machine tools and manufacturing methods. To some extent the continuance of obsolete designs could be blamed on the government of the time which would not allow new models to be introduced until after 1949. The Japanese, German and Italian MC factories were newly rebuilt and could introduce innovation in design and manufacturing tech. By 1958 the English manufacturers were behind the curve and once Mike Hailwood won a World 125cc Championship with Mr. Honda's little motorcycles it was all over. ...but I would have loved to have had a Norton Atlas back then, or perhaps a Commando after 1968. A Vincent Black Lightning for me. In photography, beautifully made Japanese 35mm rangefinder cameras replaced beautifully made German scale focus cameras, probably within a single decade. They were cheaper and just as reliable. Their lenses got better and better as the years went on, eventually far exceeding the quality of all but the very best German cameras. The same will happen with China. Taken as a whole, Chinese cars, motorcycles, cameras, televisions, cell phones etc. may seem like a joke to the likes of Rich, but their quality is rapidly improving and it will only be a matter of time before Japan has difficulty competing, just as Germany did in the 1960s. ...and then the Chinese will outsource manufacturing to the countries it owns, the USA, & the U.K., the Canadians only built cheesy GM knock-offs and had some Levi production before that all moved to Guatamala & Mexico, so Rich and his racially/ethnically pure offspring should be safe. ;-) Eric Stevens |
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On 21/12/2010 12:11 a.m., peter wrote:
On 12/20/2010 5:20 AM, G Paleologopoulos wrote: "bugbear" wrote news Rich wrote: On high-end products, I've often seen diffences between Japanese-made and Chinese made products. Cheap plastic entry-level cameras with variable-quality kit lenses are probably "safe" to be made in China, but watch out when the D3s and 70-200mm f2.8's are beginning to come from China. The D7000 falls somewhere in the middle. The Chinese are already successfully running silicon foundries. Camera are a low-tech joke by comparison. BugBear Not to mention their fairly complex space program. Like all who can't deal with their prejudices, Rich never lets the facts get in the way of a prejudicial statement. Everybody seems to be taking seriously Rich's original claim (that the D7000 is made in China), which is pretty odd in itself. Does that mean the D7000s sold in the US (& Canada) are made in China? Mine is clearly stamped "Made in Thailand", like my D200 and all my lenses that aren't stamped "Made in Japan". We (New Zealand) have a Free Trade agreement with China. How come we get fobbed off with product outsourced to Thailand while Americans get the genuine Chinese-made article? Apteryx |
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"Apteryx" wrote in message ... Everybody seems to be taking seriously Rich's original claim (that the D7000 is made in China), which is pretty odd in itself. Does that mean the D7000s sold in the US (& Canada) are made in China? Mine is clearly stamped "Made in Thailand", like my D200 and all my lenses that aren't stamped "Made in Japan". We (New Zealand) have a Free Trade agreement with China. How come we get fobbed off with product outsourced to Thailand while Americans get the genuine Chinese-made article? No, not quite everybody: "Are you relying on the URL for that information Good point, as I suspect diytrade is not the most accurate and up to date source for this kind of information. Anyway, who cares? " Rich NEVER checks his sources and I NEVER get excited by his posts. Mostly inane crap. |
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Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!
On 12/20/2010 4:45 PM, Apteryx wrote:
On 21/12/2010 12:11 a.m., peter wrote: On 12/20/2010 5:20 AM, G Paleologopoulos wrote: "bugbear" wrote news Rich wrote: On high-end products, I've often seen diffences between Japanese-made and Chinese made products. Cheap plastic entry-level cameras with variable-quality kit lenses are probably "safe" to be made in China, but watch out when the D3s and 70-200mm f2.8's are beginning to come from China. The D7000 falls somewhere in the middle. The Chinese are already successfully running silicon foundries. Camera are a low-tech joke by comparison. BugBear Not to mention their fairly complex space program. Like all who can't deal with their prejudices, Rich never lets the facts get in the way of a prejudicial statement. Everybody seems to be taking seriously Rich's original claim (that the D7000 is made in China), which is pretty odd in itself. Does that mean the D7000s sold in the US (& Canada) are made in China? Mine is clearly stamped "Made in Thailand", like my D200 and all my lenses that aren't stamped "Made in Japan". We (New Zealand) have a Free Trade agreement with China. How come we get fobbed off with product outsourced to Thailand while Americans get the genuine Chinese-made article? I can't take that idiot seriously. Both my D200 & D300 were made in Thailand. Some of my lenses were made in Japan and some in Thailand. I am not about to check each one. ;-) -- Peter |
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On 12/20/2010 4:40 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 07:42:19 -0800, Savageduck wrote: On 2010-12-20 04:40:23 -0800, said: "David J wrote: I remember when Japanese-made products were routinely criticised as junk on exactly the same basis - the same blind prejudice. Same here, and I already made that point. Apologies for repeating it, but it needs emphasising that China is following much the same path as Japan did nearly half a century ago. I remember friends who scoffed at my shiny new Honda motorcycle which, according to them, didn't match up to their British bikes. But my Honda took me everywhere reliably and economically, whereas they needed to pack a set of tools every time they left home and always ended up tinkering with their bikes during a journey. Within a very few years, Japanese bikes took over most of the market and Britain's largest manufacturer, BSA/Triumph, had closed. Aah! The folly of the English motorcycle engineers. I can think of two things, suggested at the time which BSA/Triumph could have done to help their cause in the 60's, and which in their, "but we have been doing it this way since 1932" wisdom they refused to do. Dump the cork faced clutch, and re-engineer/re-design the vertically split crankcase. My cousin's Triumph 500 was always in pieces needing cluch repairs and always leaked oil due to the vertical-split crank case which never sealed properly. I found that Rolls Royce gasket cement did a good job of keeping the oil in my Triumph 500. My 305 Honda 305 Super Hawk would just run, and had an electric starter! The English motorcycle industry was locked into their post war "Golden age" of the late 40's-early 50's using pre-war 1930's manufacturing technology and design. That was the real problem. The British motorcycle industry was stuck with what were basically pre-war designs because they were stuck with pre-war machine tools and manufacturing methods. To some extent the continuance of obsolete designs could be blamed on the government of the time which would not allow new models to be introduced until after 1949. How do you explain the mechanical issues with the Jag. I know about 10 people who had them and all have had mechanical issues. The car was great when it ran, but IIRC required frequent servicing. -- Peter |
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On 2010-12-20 13:40:46 -0800, Eric Stevens said:
Le Snip A Vincent Black Lightning for me. Eric Stevens Now there was a case of 1930's tech taken to its limits. The Vincent BL was an amazing machine, but even though it had that powerful motor, it was a 1930's bike (Vincent's 1936 Brough Superior beater) trying to survive into the fifties and it failed early. The frame, forks, and suspension were not a good match for the motor, and were obsolete in 1948. Undoubtably a work of art, but the record breaking bikes of the 1948 and early fifties were all custom frame bikes with custom forks. They had to be. They are nostalgically desirable, and have great collector value today due to limited numbers, but even in the mid-'50's there were better bikes such as the 1955 Matchless G45. Maybe not as powerful but much better. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 17:25:31 -0500, peter
wrote: That was the real problem. The British motorcycle industry was stuck with what were basically pre-war designs because they were stuck with pre-war machine tools and manufacturing methods. To some extent the continuance of obsolete designs could be blamed on the government of the time which would not allow new models to be introduced until after 1949. How do you explain the mechanical issues with the Jag. I know about 10 people who had them and all have had mechanical issues. The car was great when it ran, but IIRC required frequent servicing. Of course that was another problem. Then, the Roots group (Humber, Hillman) couldn't control cylinder bore diameter to better than .010" so that when choosing pistons, all engines had to be selectively assembled. Ford had similar problems when machining blocks for crankshaft bearings. Those, too, had to be selectively assembled and bearing shells had a 'fit' code which had to match the housing in the block and the cap (often different). Rover decided to take advantage of generous tolerances to use Loctite to secure cylinder liners in place. But they couldn't machine all blocks/liners sufficiently accurately and liners used to move in the block. On occasion a liner would drop to the point where the top ring on the piston would snap out over the top. Things stopped rather suddenly once that happened. These days I shudder when the British talk of British Craftsmanship. I'll take Japanese craftmanship any time. Eric Stevens |
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On 12/20/2010 9:05 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
interesting information snipped These days I shudder when the British talk of British Craftsmanship. I'll take Japanese craftmanship any time. Which is why my wife now drives a Lexus. Best car we ever had. -- Peter |
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Nikon D7000 is made in China, CHINA!!!
On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 14:40:25 -0800, Savageduck
wrote: On 2010-12-20 13:40:46 -0800, Eric Stevens said: Le Snip A Vincent Black Lightning for me. Eric Stevens Now there was a case of 1930's tech taken to its limits. The Vincent BL was an amazing machine, but even though it had that powerful motor, it was a 1930's bike (Vincent's 1936 Brough Superior beater) trying to survive into the fifties and it failed early. The frame, forks, and suspension were not a good match for the motor, and were obsolete in 1948. Undoubtably a work of art, but the record breaking bikes of the 1948 and early fifties were all custom frame bikes with custom forks. Not so. I worked with Bob Burns and Russel Wright on Russel's record breaking Vincent. It was standard forks and frame. The connecting rods were ex the Vincent Picador engine designed for drone aircraft, and were worth another 1000rpm. Both cylinders were fitted with ported rear cylinder heads which gave a better air flow. The gear box was the standard Vincent close-ratio box. The clutch may have been modified, but I can't remember.The fuel tank was a special. The oil tank was the main frame member as in the standard bike. They had to be. They are nostalgically desirable, and have great collector value today due to limited numbers, but even in the mid-'50's there were better bikes such as the 1955 Matchless G45. Maybe not as powerful but much better. Eric Stevens |
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On Mon, 20 Dec 2010 16:58:06 -0500, "Charles"
wrote: "Apteryx" wrote in message ... Everybody seems to be taking seriously Rich's original claim (that the D7000 is made in China), which is pretty odd in itself. Does that mean the D7000s sold in the US (& Canada) are made in China? Mine is clearly stamped "Made in Thailand", like my D200 and all my lenses that aren't stamped "Made in Japan". We (New Zealand) have a Free Trade agreement with China. How come we get fobbed off with product outsourced to Thailand while Americans get the genuine Chinese-made article? No, not quite everybody: "Are you relying on the URL for that information Good point, as I suspect diytrade is not the most accurate and up to date source for this kind of information. I checked agin and, quite clearly, it says 'Made in China' near the top of the web page. Anyway, who cares? " Rich NEVER checks his sources and I NEVER get excited by his posts. Mostly inane crap. Eric Stevens |
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