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FZ-30's extended zoom
Lumix FZ-30 35 - 420mm [12x] (+extended optical zoom)
What would tip the balance in favor of the FZ-30 over the Fuji S9000 or the KM Dimage A200 for me would be the quality of the pics taken using the EOZ. Does anyone have pics taken using the extended optical zoom at 5mp? What about prints? Is this just a marketing gimmick, digital zoom one way or another? Would using less pixels with a bigger zoom produce lower res pics? Would using 2mp with a 3x zoom on a 4mp P&S produce a bigger zoom (6x)? Are there other cameras which when reducing the res creates a bigger zoom? The FZ-30 has a small sensor [1/1.8" Type CCD = 0.55], only slightly larger than 4mp P&S cameras. S9000 sensor: 1/1.6" SuperCCD HR = 0.625 KM Dimage A200 - 2/3 inch interlaced primary-color CCD = 0.66 |
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Don't know about the KM, but both the Fuji and Pana are true optical zooms
lenses not digital zoom. I have the Pana FZ20 and it takes fine images at the extended end of the range. I have printed a few 5x7s and 8x10s with nice results. Doug "Bolshoy Huy" wrote in message oups.com... Lumix FZ-30 35 - 420mm [12x] (+extended optical zoom) What would tip the balance in favor of the FZ-30 over the Fuji S9000 or the KM Dimage A200 for me would be the quality of the pics taken using the EOZ. Does anyone have pics taken using the extended optical zoom at 5mp? What about prints? Is this just a marketing gimmick, digital zoom one way or another? Would using less pixels with a bigger zoom produce lower res pics? Would using 2mp with a 3x zoom on a 4mp P&S produce a bigger zoom (6x)? Are there other cameras which when reducing the res creates a bigger zoom? The FZ-30 has a small sensor [1/1.8" Type CCD = 0.55], only slightly larger than 4mp P&S cameras. S9000 sensor: 1/1.6" SuperCCD HR = 0.625 KM Dimage A200 - 2/3 inch interlaced primary-color CCD = 0.66 |
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Doug wrote:
Don't know about the KM, but both the Fuji and Pana are true optical zooms lenses not digital zoom. I have the Pana FZ20 and it takes fine images at the extended end of the range. I have printed a few 5x7s and 8x10s with nice results. hm...i'd say it's weird...can you explain this "extended" zoom ? If it's optical, it would state, say, 16x optical instead of 12x. It's probably just digital zoom, that's why it makes pics with less pixels - you can do this in your PC with any graphics program. Just true optical zoom counts. I can make decent shots with my digital zoom up to certain limit, say 12x optical and extend it to som 16x, maybe 20x zoom - it won't show that zoom is digital, but it is. Doug "Bolshoy Huy" wrote in message oups.com... Lumix FZ-30 35 - 420mm [12x] (+extended optical zoom) What would tip the balance in favor of the FZ-30 over the Fuji S9000 or the KM Dimage A200 for me would be the quality of the pics taken using the EOZ. Does anyone have pics taken using the extended optical zoom at 5mp? What about prints? Is this just a marketing gimmick, digital zoom one way or another? Would using less pixels with a bigger zoom produce lower res pics? Would using 2mp with a 3x zoom on a 4mp P&S produce a bigger zoom (6x)? Are there other cameras which when reducing the res creates a bigger zoom? The FZ-30 has a small sensor [1/1.8" Type CCD = 0.55], only slightly larger than 4mp P&S cameras. S9000 sensor: 1/1.6" SuperCCD HR = 0.625 KM Dimage A200 - 2/3 inch interlaced primary-color CCD = 0.66 -- Visit my web page at http://www.protoncek.com |
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"SleeperMan" wrote in message ... Doug wrote: Don't know about the KM, but both the Fuji and Pana are true optical zooms lenses not digital zoom. I have the Pana FZ20 and it takes fine images at the extended end of the range. I have printed a few 5x7s and 8x10s with nice results. hm...i'd say it's weird...can you explain this "extended" zoom ? If it's optical, it would state, say, 16x optical instead of 12x. It's probably just digital zoom, that's why it makes pics with less pixels - you can do this in your PC with any graphics program. Just true optical zoom counts. I can make decent shots with my digital zoom up to certain limit, say 12x optical and extend it to som 16x, maybe 20x zoom - it won't show that zoom is digital, but it is. Doug Optical Zoom is 12x, the 'extended optical zoom' is basically in camera cropping - if you set the resolution lower than default (say to 5mp) then the camera still actually uses the full ccd resolution but shows an enlarged central portion giving the appearance of a higher zoom.... unless you want lower res then its just the same to take a pic at full resolution 12x zoom and crop out the part you want. |
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Thanks, I was just getting ready to say the same.
Doug "Monkee" wrote in message . uk... "SleeperMan" wrote in message ... Doug wrote: Don't know about the KM, but both the Fuji and Pana are true optical zooms lenses not digital zoom. I have the Pana FZ20 and it takes fine images at the extended end of the range. I have printed a few 5x7s and 8x10s with nice results. hm...i'd say it's weird...can you explain this "extended" zoom ? If it's optical, it would state, say, 16x optical instead of 12x. It's probably just digital zoom, that's why it makes pics with less pixels - you can do this in your PC with any graphics program. Just true optical zoom counts. I can make decent shots with my digital zoom up to certain limit, say 12x optical and extend it to som 16x, maybe 20x zoom - it won't show that zoom is digital, but it is. Doug Optical Zoom is 12x, the 'extended optical zoom' is basically in camera cropping - if you set the resolution lower than default (say to 5mp) then the camera still actually uses the full ccd resolution but shows an enlarged central portion giving the appearance of a higher zoom.... unless you want lower res then its just the same to take a pic at full resolution 12x zoom and crop out the part you want. |
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FZ-30's extended zoom
The FZ-30 lens is faster, it has image stabilization,and is less
expensive. The image quality of both is marginally better than an FZ-20. All will take super pictures in good light. IMO more megapixels are not the answer unless you couple it with a huge sensor like the Nikon D50. If cost is not an issue buy a Nikon D50 body and the 18-200mm VR. You can get the combo for less than you can buy a D200 body and you will have all you will ever use. Other than that, buy a FZ20 or FZ30 if you want almost DSLR quality. |
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The FZ30 extended zoom is a digital zoom with a twist. If you select the 5M
output, the 35mm setting gives the same width as when using the full 8M setting, but outputs only a 5M pixel file. As you zoom to the 420mm setting, you get a combination of optical and digital zooming that end up about 535mm equivilent. I keep mine set to 8M and crop to get the same effect as a digital zoom. The only advantage I see for digital zoom is to reduce the file size on the memory card. The FZ30 also has a digital zoom mode that just uses the center portion of the sensor, with either 2X or 4X. Selecting 2X gives something like 70mm to 840mm with a 2M pixel output. The zoom range is still the 12X, not 24X. Actually, I have not used this mode, and the camera may output more than a 2M file with some interpolation to give an appearance of more pixels. I find no reason to ever use this mode. "Bolshoy Huy" wrote in message oups.com... Lumix FZ-30 35 - 420mm [12x] (+extended optical zoom) What would tip the balance in favor of the FZ-30 over the Fuji S9000 or the KM Dimage A200 for me would be the quality of the pics taken using the EOZ. Does anyone have pics taken using the extended optical zoom at 5mp? What about prints? Prints with the extended zoom set to produce 5M files would be the same as using any other 5M camera. 8X10 prints should be excellent. In good light, the Panasonic optics give photos that are limited by the sensor. Cropping 8M files to 5M size also give excellent prints. Is this just a marketing gimmick, digital zoom one way or another? Would using less pixels with a bigger zoom produce lower res pics? Would using 2mp with a 3x zoom on a 4mp P&S produce a bigger zoom (6x)? Are there other cameras which when reducing the res creates a bigger zoom? The FZ-30 has a small sensor [1/1.8" Type CCD = 0.55], only slightly larger than 4mp P&S cameras. S9000 sensor: 1/1.6" SuperCCD HR = 0.625 KM Dimage A200 - 2/3 inch interlaced primary-color CCD = 0.66 |
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In article .com,
"Bolshoy Huy" wrote: Lumix FZ-30 35 - 420mm [12x] (+extended optical zoom) What would tip the balance in favor of the FZ-30 over the Fuji S9000 or the KM Dimage A200 for me would be the quality of the pics taken using the EOZ. Does anyone have pics taken using the extended optical zoom at 5mp? What about prints? Is this just a marketing gimmick, digital zoom one way or another? Would using less pixels with a bigger zoom produce lower res pics? Would using 2mp with a 3x zoom on a 4mp P&S produce a bigger zoom (6x)? Are there other cameras which when reducing the res creates a bigger zoom? The FZ-30 has a small sensor [1/1.8" Type CCD = 0.55], only slightly larger than 4mp P&S cameras. S9000 sensor: 1/1.6" SuperCCD HR = 0.625 KM Dimage A200 - 2/3 inch interlaced primary-color CCD = 0.66 The FZ30 also has a teleconverter available that pushes the optical zoom out over 700mm. I have an FZ10 and recently purchased an adapter from Premaraal for my Oly E-20's TCON 14 teleconverter that gives me an optical of over 600mm. It doesn't give the print quality of a Nikon D200, but it costs a whole bunch less and is more than adequate for bird and small critter photography. My next step will probably be to an FZ30 or its successor. |
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