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Old February 8th 12, 06:33 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
George Kerby
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Default Wedding photogs expensive? Have you seen other professionseroded by hacks?




On 2/7/12 9:51 PM, in article , "Ray
Fischer" wrote:

George Kerby wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote:
George Kerby wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote:
George Kerby wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Ray Fischer writes:

Isn't "eroded by hacks" another term for "capitalism" and "market
forces driving down costs"?

Only a very shortsighted capitalist would drive jobs overseas.

Really? If I make myself a millionare why would I care about driving
jobs overseas? If the local economy tanks I still have the resources
to move to somewhere pleasant.

Then, you sir, are no George Bailey...

Just pointing out the consequences of your ideology.

*MY* ideology?!?

Yep. Aren't you a right-wing free-market capitalist?

Or have you turned into a big-government socialist?

You hate regulations and limits on the free market.

Yep.

Then my statement was accurate.

That's exactly what my Libertarian philosophy is all about, Dimwit.

So what are you whining about this time?

Try again FishHead Rot

Don't need to. You just admitted that I was correct.


You are dumber than I ever imagined.


And still nowhere near as dumb as you. You manage to screech in
outrage at a characterization of you which you admit was accurate.


Most Libtards don't understand something called 'irony'. Congrats, you wear
thse colors well, FishHead.

And what's worse, you see the failings of your politics, clearly
don't like the failings of your politics, but you'd rather be a
right-wing asshole than change your politics.


Again-you completely miss my point.

You quit being a Leftist distal sphincter and go first...

THAT is self-destructive stupidity.


So, you might be doing that. Thanks for playing!

  #42  
Old February 9th 12, 09:11 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
Ray Fischer
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Default Wedding photogs expensive? Have you seen other professionseroded by hacks?

George Kerby wrote:



On 2/7/12 9:51 PM, in article , "Ray
Fischer" wrote:

George Kerby wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote:
George Kerby wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote:
George Kerby wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
Ray Fischer writes:

Isn't "eroded by hacks" another term for "capitalism" and "market
forces driving down costs"?

Only a very shortsighted capitalist would drive jobs overseas.

Really? If I make myself a millionare why would I care about driving
jobs overseas? If the local economy tanks I still have the resources
to move to somewhere pleasant.

Then, you sir, are no George Bailey...

Just pointing out the consequences of your ideology.

*MY* ideology?!?

Yep. Aren't you a right-wing free-market capitalist?

Or have you turned into a big-government socialist?

You hate regulations and limits on the free market.

Yep.

Then my statement was accurate.

That's exactly what my Libertarian philosophy is all about, Dimwit.

So what are you whining about this time?

Try again FishHead Rot

Don't need to. You just admitted that I was correct.

You are dumber than I ever imagined.


And still nowhere near as dumb as you. You manage to screech in
outrage at a characterization of you which you admit was accurate.


Most Libtards don't understand something called 'irony'.


Now you're just squirming with obvious nonsense.

And what's worse, you see the failings of your politics, clearly
don't like the failings of your politics, but you'd rather be a
right-wing asshole than change your politics.


Again-you completely miss my point.


You don't have a point.

You quit being a Leftist distal sphincter and go first...


You're just a bitter, right-wing asshole. Like all fascists
the only thing you understand is hate.

--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
| Goethe

  #43  
Old February 9th 12, 08:06 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
David Dyer-Bennet
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Default Wedding photogs expensive? Have you seen other professions eroded by hacks?

Eric Stevens writes:

On 04 Feb 2012 20:16:50 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

RichA wrote:
There is a complaint in the trade's industry in Toronto that Third
Worlder's with no apparent training or skill are vastly underpricing
jobs, eroding wages in the industries (mostly contractors) and hurting
the industry's overall image by doing sub-par work.


http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01...rices#comments

Isn't "eroded by hacks" another term for "capitalism" and "market
forces driving down costs"?


Whatever it is, its not capitalism. How about a variation of 'bad
money drives out good'?


You sure? One classic capitalist maneuver is to offer lower-quality
goods at a lower price. Depending on the market, that often works. It
appears to have worked in the wedding photogrpahy market.

Also, the "quality" of photos is subjective. Another possibility is
that many couples like different kinds of photos than you do.

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  #44  
Old February 9th 12, 09:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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Default Wedding photogs expensive? Have you seen other professions eroded by hacks?

On Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:06:17 -0600, David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

Eric Stevens writes:

On 04 Feb 2012 20:16:50 GMT, (Ray Fischer) wrote:

RichA wrote:
There is a complaint in the trade's industry in Toronto that Third
Worlder's with no apparent training or skill are vastly underpricing
jobs, eroding wages in the industries (mostly contractors) and hurting
the industry's overall image by doing sub-par work.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/01...rices#comments

Isn't "eroded by hacks" another term for "capitalism" and "market
forces driving down costs"?


Whatever it is, its not capitalism. How about a variation of 'bad
money drives out good'?


You sure? One classic capitalist maneuver is to offer lower-quality
goods at a lower price. Depending on the market, that often works. It
appears to have worked in the wedding photogrpahy market.


There is nothing wrong with selling lower-quality goods at lower
prices, in fact its what one would expect. The problem is selling
lower-quality goods at lower prices and pretending they are of the
best quality.

Doing that is not the sole prerogative of capitalists. Its a common
occurrence with massed small or sole traders. Here we are talking
about wedding photographers but its also common amongst professions
such as structural engineers. Also an Indian bazaar. In other words,
its got nothing to do with capitalism.

If you think its wrong and want to complain about it then you have to
blame the customers as much as anybody.

Also, the "quality" of photos is subjective. Another possibility is
that many couples like different kinds of photos than you do.


Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old February 9th 12, 10:13 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
David Dyer-Bennet
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Mxsmanic writes:

Ray Fischer writes:

Isn't "eroded by hacks" another term for "capitalism" and "market
forces driving down costs"?


Only a very shortsighted capitalist would drive jobs overseas.


A capatalist wouldn't care the slightest tiny little bit where the jobs
were located. By definition, he makes his living by using his capital.
--
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Old February 10th 12, 07:48 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
Ray Fischer
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Default Wedding photogs expensive? Have you seen other professions eroded by hacks?

Mxsmanic wrote:
David Dyer-Bennet writes:

A capatalist wouldn't care the slightest tiny little bit where the jobs
were located. By definition, he makes his living by using his capital.


But if he sacrifices tomorrow for today, he won't be making a living for long.


Once you've made your first $5 million it no longer matters. You can
retire or you can move to a different part of the world.

--
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| Goethe

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Old February 10th 12, 03:33 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
Mr. Strat
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Default Wedding photogs expensive? Have you seen other professions eroded by hacks?

In article , David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

You sure? One classic capitalist maneuver is to offer lower-quality
goods at a lower price. Depending on the market, that often works. It
appears to have worked in the wedding photogrpahy market.

Also, the "quality" of photos is subjective. Another possibility is
that many couples like different kinds of photos than you do.


The sting of low quality remains long after the sweetness of low price
is forgotten.
  #49  
Old February 10th 12, 04:25 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
David Dyer-Bennet
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Default Wedding photogs expensive? Have you seen other professions eroded by hacks?

"Mr. Strat" writes:

In article , David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

You sure? One classic capitalist maneuver is to offer lower-quality
goods at a lower price. Depending on the market, that often works. It
appears to have worked in the wedding photogrpahy market.

Also, the "quality" of photos is subjective. Another possibility is
that many couples like different kinds of photos than you do.


The sting of low quality remains long after the sweetness of low price
is forgotten.


Sometimes, sure, but it's a very successful market niche. Look at Walmart.
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Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info
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Old February 10th 12, 06:53 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
David Dyer-Bennet
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Default Wedding photogs expensive? Have you seen other professions eroded by hacks?

Bruce writes:

David Dyer-Bennet wrote:
"Mr. Strat" writes:
In article , David Dyer-Bennet
wrote:

You sure? One classic capitalist maneuver is to offer lower-quality
goods at a lower price. Depending on the market, that often works. It
appears to have worked in the wedding photogrpahy market.

Also, the "quality" of photos is subjective. Another possibility is
that many couples like different kinds of photos than you do.

The sting of low quality remains long after the sweetness of low price
is forgotten.


Sometimes, sure, but it's a very successful market niche. Look at Walmart.



The sting of low quality from Walmart usually lasts no longer than it
takes for it to pass through the digestive system. ;-)


The shirts I've bought there, very cheaply, are holding up fine. I
don't go there very much though -- haven't been in years.
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Snapshots: http://dd-b.net/dd-b/SnapshotAlbum/data/
Photos: http://dd-b.net/photography/gallery/
Dragaera: http://dragaera.info
 




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