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I've always hated Intel. Here's one more reason:



 
 
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Old March 17th 18, 02:59 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default I've always hated Intel. Here's one more reason:

In article , Mayayana
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I wonder what, if any penalty is accrued from making up a story about a
product in order to generate a profit from it?


Interesting question. But this is also Israel.
As I understand it, anything that furthers Zionism
is legal there and anything that impedes it is illegal.
(Which I wouldn't mind *quite so much* if they
weren't footing the bill with my tax dollars.)


not only do you not understand much about technology, but you also
don't understand much about israel.

The Razen has been out for some time, I wonder if anyone using it has
been...exploited because of reasons the company stated? There should be
some reports on it.


Linus Torvalds went on a long rant about it:

https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer...cpus-critical-
flaws-linus-torvalds-fake

The gist of his point was that one needs admin
access to the BIOS in order to exploit the claimed
bug. In other words, someone discovered that if
you give your house keys to another person then its
possible they could enter and access "data".


most people run as admin, so that's not much of an obstacle.

for those that don't, all that's needed is a root exploit.

the bigger problem is the hardware itself can be compromised, so even
if you wipe and reinstall, you're still pwned.

Nospam was just indulging his contrariness and
Apple mania.


i never mentioned apple. this has nothing to do with apple.

There's certainly no story there now.
There probably won't be one.


oh, there is a story.
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Old March 21st 18, 01:50 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default I've always hated Intel. Here's one more reason:

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So maybe it's a real issue. Maybe not. The only certain
thing is that right now it's only buzz.


still think it's just a buzz?

unlike you, at least amd and others are taking it seriously:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018...are-fixes-for-
security-processor-bugs/
AMD's response today agrees that all four bug families are real and
are found in the various components identified by CTS. The company
says that it is developing firmware updates for the three PSP flaws.
These fixes, to be made available in "coming weeks," will be
installed through system firmware updates. The firmware updates will
also mitigate, in some unspecified way, the Chimera issue, with AMD
saying that it's working with ASMedia, the third-party hardware
company that developed Promontory for AMD, to develop suitable
protections. In its report, CTS wrote that, while one CTS attack
vector was a firmware bug (and hence in principle correctable), the
other was a hardware flaw. If true, there may be no effective way of
solving it.
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Old March 21st 18, 11:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default I've always hated Intel. Here's one more reason:

"nospam" wrote

| So maybe it's a real issue. Maybe not. The only certain
| thing is that right now it's only buzz.
|
| still think it's just a buzz?
|
| unlike you, at least amd and others are taking it seriously:
| https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2018...are-fixes-for-
| security-processor-bugs/

Yes. Not a big deal. And BIOS patches are
coming. And few people are affected. I'm
certainly not. You were saying people should
stick with Intel. Intel CPUs are a far worse
bet right now than AMD, in terms of vulnerabilities.

But none of the issues is a big deal except on
servers. None of the bugs is reason to choose
one CPU over the other. I buy AMD because
Intel is a sleazy, price-gouging monopolist and
without AMD they'd be a lot worse. It's like
Mac vs Windows: When one costs 3 times the
price of the other, I find that an easy choice.

Of course with Mac and Windows there are lots
of other factors that may affect peoples' choice.
With Intel and AMD, they both make decent
CPUs. And those CPUs go in the same computers.
So there's no excuse for Intel's pricing.

I've used only AMD in my computers and computers
I've built for others for about 20 years now.

So before you start spreading lots more
misinformation, I'll just mention to anyone who
cares that there's nothing to be overly
concerned about.

Here's the story:
https://community.amd.com/community/...-labs-research

(Also note, 2 bugs are in a chipset, so they can
also affect Intel boxes.)




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Old March 22nd 18, 12:40 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default I've always hated Intel. Here's one more reason:

In article , Mayayana
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Yes. Not a big deal. And BIOS patches are
coming. And few people are affected. I'm
certainly not. You were saying people should
stick with Intel. Intel CPUs are a far worse
bet right now than AMD, in terms of vulnerabilities.


i didn't stay stick with intel. i just countered your claim that amd is
immune to problems.

But none of the issues is a big deal except on
servers. None of the bugs is reason to choose
one CPU over the other. I buy AMD because
Intel is a sleazy, price-gouging monopolist and
without AMD they'd be a lot worse. It's like
Mac vs Windows: When one costs 3 times the
price of the other, I find that an easy choice.


only when one has 3 times the specs.

you obviously drive a yugo because toyota makes the same thing and it
costs 10x as much, mercedes even more so.

Of course with Mac and Windows there are lots
of other factors that may affect peoples' choice.


yep. surprising as it may seem, people buy based on functionality, ease
of use and user experience and not just the cheapest crap they can
find.

With Intel and AMD, they both make decent
CPUs. And those CPUs go in the same computers.
So there's no excuse for Intel's pricing.


prices are what people are willing to pay.
anything less is leaving money on the table.

since amd overall isn't as good as intel, their only option is to
compete on price. if it was better, they could charge more.

I've used only AMD in my computers and computers
I've built for others for about 20 years now.


apparently you are unaware that laptops have outsold desktops for over
a decade and mobile is currently outselling laptops.

do you set them up with windows xp or do you at least install something
current?
 




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