Snapshots of Afghanistan - August 2009

"Chris H" wrote in message

In message , Bill
Graham writes

[...]

I speak of the liberals, or socialists, who screamed, "Bush has no
exit strategy". Like you can see into the future, and know in
advance when and how you will see and end to a war and be able to
predict, and publish, your pull-out date. This is ridiculous, but it
was the cry of the liberal democrats for years.....

I am a life long Tory (republican to you) NOT a liberal and certainly
not a socialist!

In Britain we have two major political parties: Labour, who Americans would
call socialists, and the Tories, who Americans would call socialists...

"DRS" wrote:
"Chris H" wrote in message
I am a life long Tory (republican to you) NOT a liberal and certainly
not a socialist!

In Britain we have two major political parties: Labour, who Americans would
call socialists, and the Tories, who Americans would call socialists...

:-)

s/Americans/FOX News/ and I would agree.

After all, educated Americans do exist, too.

jue

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"Chris H" wrote in message

In message , Bill
Graham writes

[...]

I speak of the liberals, or socialists, who screamed, "Bush has no
exit strategy". Like you can see into the future, and know in
advance when and how you will see and end to a war and be able to
predict, and publish, your pull-out date. This is ridiculous, but it
was the cry of the liberal democrats for years.....

I am a life long Tory (republican to you) NOT a liberal and certainly
not a socialist!

In Britain we have two major political parties: Labour, who Americans would
call socialists, and the Tories, who Americans would call socialists...

And the Lib-Dems who are borderline communists :-)

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To me, It's much simpler than that. I have no idea why some
terrorists
plowed a couple of airliners into those two buildings on 9/11, and I
don't really care why they did it.

Then you can never hope to beat them.
It also shows you are an idiot. In asynchronous warfare, especially
where the enemy is an ideal not a country or geographical location,
in
order to beat an enemy you have to understand their motives and aims.

They were killing civilians, and not perpherillery, but on purpose.
So,
the lines were drawn in the sand.

I agree... the lines were drawn by the US.... The 9/11 was a
RETALIATION
not a first strike. Also it was the 3rd (or 4th) in a series.

Now, I am perfectly happy to spend the rest of my life seeking them
out
and killing them. - How much simpler can it get than this?

That is the problem... simple solution for simple minds.... Your
solution is WRONG and means you can NEVER win this fight.

What would you suggest to win this fight?
Don't bother to ask.....they have no exit strategy......

Who is the "they" that doesn't ?

I speak of the liberals, or socialists, who screamed, "Bush has no exit
strategy". Like you can see into the future, and know in advance when
and how you will see and end to a war and be able to predict, and
publish, your pull-out date. This is ridiculous, but it was the cry of
the liberal democrats for years.....


I am a life long Tory (republican to you) NOT a liberal and certainly
not a socialist!

I have Military experience. Including ME and counter terrorist.

As for seeing into the future things have happened as predicted over the
last 8 years. I think I have a track record of being 80-90% correct. But
then it is not rocket science.

The Bush administration made all the mistakes predicted... that is why
it lost in Iraq and can not win in Afghanistan. Though it took 6 years
for the US military to admit this publicly


So once again I will ask, what would you, Chris, suggest?

"mikey4" wrote:
"Chris H" wrote:

The Bush administration made all the mistakes predicted... that is why
it lost in Iraq and can not win in Afghanistan. Though it took 6 years
for the US military to admit this publicly


So once again I will ask, what would you, Chris, suggest?

I can't speak for Chris, but I'm hoping that Obama will get out of Iraq and
Afghanistan as fast as possible.

The bottom line in places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan is that there
aren't any "good guys", and whoever we support ends up being someone we
really shouldn't have.

1. Our ally in Vietnam was a corrupt, brutal, dictatorship that only
represented a small minority of the population (we were 100% in the wrong in
that war).

2. Our ally in Iraq is a pro-Iranian (Shia) Islamist theocracy. (Iraq is 60%
Shia. There's no way for it to be anything but a pro-Iranian theocracy.)

3. And, of course, we supported Hussein from well before 1980 to the day he
invaded Kuwait, provided him with chemical and biologics weapons components,
and fought and died alongside him in his war with Iran.

These are three reasons any rational observer couldn't help but conclude
that the right wing in the US is composed of some of the stupidest people in
human history.

Make that four: Kissinger and Cheney organized a program under which Iranian
students and scientists came to MIT and studied nuclear engineering.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message
...
"mikey4" wrote:
"Chris H" wrote:

The Bush administration made all the mistakes predicted... that is why
it lost in Iraq and can not win in Afghanistan. Though it took 6 years
for the US military to admit this publicly


So once again I will ask, what would you, Chris, suggest?

I can't speak for Chris, but I'm hoping that Obama will get out of Iraq
and Afghanistan as fast as possible.

The bottom line in places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan is that
there aren't any "good guys", and whoever we support ends up being someone
we really shouldn't have.

1. Our ally in Vietnam was a corrupt, brutal, dictatorship that only
represented a small minority of the population (we were 100% in the wrong
in that war).

2. Our ally in Iraq is a pro-Iranian (Shia) Islamist theocracy. (Iraq is
60% Shia. There's no way for it to be anything but a pro-Iranian
theocracy.)

3. And, of course, we supported Hussein from well before 1980 to the day
he invaded Kuwait, provided him with chemical and biologics weapons
components, and fought and died alongside him in his war with Iran.

These are three reasons any rational observer couldn't help but conclude
that the right wing in the US is composed of some of the stupidest people
in human history.

Make that four: Kissinger and Cheney organized a program under which
Iranian students and scientists came to MIT and studied nuclear
engineering.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

I agree with all the points. I said to a friend, Iraq and Afghanistan are
the Tar Babies (see Uncle Remus books) and like Briar Bear we are stuck to
them. These two wars, conflicts or whatever you want to call them are now
Obama's and I doubt you will see a very rapid and total withdrawal from
either country.

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:30:45 -0500, "mikey4"
wrote:


"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message
m...
"mikey4" wrote:
"Chris H" wrote:

The Bush administration made all the mistakes predicted... that is why
it lost in Iraq and can not win in Afghanistan. Though it took 6 years
for the US military to admit this publicly


So once again I will ask, what would you, Chris, suggest?

I can't speak for Chris, but I'm hoping that Obama will get out of Iraq
and Afghanistan as fast as possible.

The bottom line in places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan is that
there aren't any "good guys", and whoever we support ends up being someone
we really shouldn't have.

1. Our ally in Vietnam was a corrupt, brutal, dictatorship that only
represented a small minority of the population (we were 100% in the wrong
in that war).

2. Our ally in Iraq is a pro-Iranian (Shia) Islamist theocracy. (Iraq is
60% Shia. There's no way for it to be anything but a pro-Iranian
theocracy.)

3. And, of course, we supported Hussein from well before 1980 to the day
he invaded Kuwait, provided him with chemical and biologics weapons
components, and fought and died alongside him in his war with Iran.

These are three reasons any rational observer couldn't help but conclude
that the right wing in the US is composed of some of the stupidest people
in human history.

Make that four: Kissinger and Cheney organized a program under which
Iranian students and scientists came to MIT and studied nuclear
engineering.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

I agree with all the points. I said to a friend, Iraq and Afghanistan are
the Tar Babies (see Uncle Remus books) and like Briar Bear we are stuck to
them. These two wars, conflicts or whatever you want to call them are now
Obama's and I doubt you will see a very rapid and total withdrawal from
either country.


The "tar baby" analogy is on-target, but it was Brer Rabbit who got
stuck.
--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida

"tony cooper" wrote in message
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On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 20:30:45 -0500, "mikey4"
wrote:


"David J. Littleboy" wrote in message
om...
"mikey4" wrote:
"Chris H" wrote:

The Bush administration made all the mistakes predicted... that is
why
it lost in Iraq and can not win in Afghanistan. Though it took 6 years
for the US military to admit this publicly


So once again I will ask, what would you, Chris, suggest?

I can't speak for Chris, but I'm hoping that Obama will get out of Iraq
and Afghanistan as fast as possible.

The bottom line in places like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan is that
there aren't any "good guys", and whoever we support ends up being
someone
we really shouldn't have.

1. Our ally in Vietnam was a corrupt, brutal, dictatorship that only
represented a small minority of the population (we were 100% in the
wrong
in that war).

2. Our ally in Iraq is a pro-Iranian (Shia) Islamist theocracy. (Iraq is
60% Shia. There's no way for it to be anything but a pro-Iranian
theocracy.)

3. And, of course, we supported Hussein from well before 1980 to the day
he invaded Kuwait, provided him with chemical and biologics weapons
components, and fought and died alongside him in his war with Iran.

These are three reasons any rational observer couldn't help but conclude
that the right wing in the US is composed of some of the stupidest
people
in human history.

Make that four: Kissinger and Cheney organized a program under which
Iranian students and scientists came to MIT and studied nuclear
engineering.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

I agree with all the points. I said to a friend, Iraq and Afghanistan are
the Tar Babies (see Uncle Remus books) and like Briar Bear we are stuck to
them. These two wars, conflicts or whatever you want to call them are now
Obama's and I doubt you will see a very rapid and total withdrawal from
either country.


The "tar baby" analogy is on-target, but it was Brer Rabbit who got
stuck.
--
Your right Tony. Its been a long time since my mom read those stories. My
little brother had the Uncle Remus book(s) that we grew up with rebound,
they are a real treasure.

"Chris H" wrote in message
...

The Bush administration made all the mistakes predicted... that is why
it lost in Iraq and can not win in Afghanistan. Though it took 6 years
for the US military to admit this publicly


You know, you can repeat, "Bush lost in Iraq" over and over for the rest of
time, but that doesn't make it so. Certainly to me, nothing was lost.
Ridding the world of Saddam and his two sons was gained. The destruction of
any WMD's owned by Iraq was gained. Bringing Democracy to another Middle
Eastern country was gained.Gaining an ally in what looks like a future
conflict with Iran was gained. Exactly how was the war in Iraq, "lost"?

On Mon, 21 Sep 2009 21:22:29 -0700, "Bill Graham"
wrote:


"Chris H" wrote in message
...

The Bush administration made all the mistakes predicted... that is why
it lost in Iraq and can not win in Afghanistan. Though it took 6 years
for the US military to admit this publicly


You know, you can repeat, "Bush lost in Iraq" over and over for the rest of
time, but that doesn't make it so. Certainly to me, nothing was lost.

You count 4,345 American soldiers as "nothing"?

--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida