HDR and Stepping out a Panorama

http://www.douglasjames.com.au/examples/HDRatdawn.htm

For the sheep bleating in the background... Baaaaah.

"Alienjones" wrote in message
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http://www.douglasjames.com.au/examples/HDRatdawn.htm

For the sheep bleating in the background... Baaaaah.

Sigghhhh....

Weekend away is still on (planning stage only) - we'll just have to tone
down the celebrations. :-(

Doug:
Your HDR.
Yeah? So what?

Your stepped out pano.
Are you ever going to acknowledge and respond to the many reasonable
criticisms of your example?

Let's start with, oh I dunno, how about:
"How come the footpath gets covered up in grass in your shot, when its not
in the original?"

Others may like to chime in with their favourites.

Or not.

--
Jeff R.
(six weeks and no mail yet)

Jeff R. wrote:
"Alienjones" wrote in message
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http://www.douglasjames.com.au/examples/HDRatdawn.htm

For the sheep bleating in the background... Baaaaah.

Sigghhhh....

Weekend away is still on (planning stage only) - we'll just have to tone
down the celebrations. :-(

Cool.

Doug:
Your HDR.
Yeah? So what?

I would add that it would be a 'nice' scene, except for the absolute
screw up directly underneath the shelter roofs - look at the
ridiculously faded area of sea and sky - there is simply no way that
area could/should be that light. Doug's usual attention to detail.

Your stepped out pano.
Are you ever going to acknowledge and respond to the many reasonable
criticisms of your example?

Let's start with, oh I dunno, how about:
"How come the footpath gets covered up in grass in your shot, when its
not in the original?"

Others may like to chime in with their favourites.

I'd like to see Doug apologise to AC for the completely mistaken
identity, and show us the final version of his Manly esplanade linear
panorama.

Or tell us all about all the venues where it is for sale. (O:

(Or post it in the current SI.. - that would teach us all a lesson)

As for his Tangalooma example, that has been laughed off the planet and
is barely worth re-visiting.

(six weeks and no mail yet)
Oh yes, where is that, Doug? And mine? Got a string of new excuses, Doug?


In summary - a coupla months wasn't long enough. Douglas MacDonald (aka
Douglas james, aka Douglas St James, aka Ryadia/Alienjones/Cryptopix and
hundreds of others..), your background, lies and abuse will be brought
up every time you post here.

Sown. Reaped. Enjoy!

Mark Thomas wrote:


In summary - a coupla months wasn't long enough. Douglas MacDonald (aka
Douglas james, aka Douglas St James, aka Ryadia/Alienjones/Cryptopix and
hundreds of others..), your background, lies and abuse will be brought
up every time you post here.

Sown. Reaped. Enjoy!

Ahhh Yes... The stalker himself.
Before you start on me... How about putting up some proof to your claim
to having been a Professional Wedding Photographer in Adelaide?
While you're at it... Let's see some shots from that mythical Bronica
you claim to have in the closet and never use.

Loser is a generous description of you.

"Alienjones" wrote in message
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Mark Thomas wrote:


In summary - a coupla months wasn't long enough. Douglas MacDonald (aka
Douglas james, aka Douglas St James, aka Ryadia/Alienjones/Cryptopix and
hundreds of others..), your background, lies and abuse will be brought up
every time you post here.

Sown. Reaped. Enjoy!

Ahhh Yes... The stalker himself.
Before you start on me... How about putting up some proof to your claim to
having been a Professional Wedding Photographer in Adelaide?
While you're at it... Let's see some shots from that mythical Bronica you
claim to have in the closet and never use.

Loser is a generous description of you.

Yeah, its the real Douggie, no one else is such a complete dickhead right
off the bat
So Douggie, did you enjoy hiding under that rock when you ran away, tail
between your legs, after your laughably horrendous "Stepped out Panno" was
given the ridicule and derision it so rightfully deserved.
I still get a laugh out of that one :-)
BTW, even though I know your not man enough to ever admit it, but I am still
awaiting an apology.
Please insert your usual tirade of abuse, half truths and completely
fabricated untruths if you admit to the above fact!

--
"Calling Atheism a religion is like calling bald a hair color."
Don Hirschberg

Jeff R. wrote:

"Alienjones" wrote in message
...
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/examples/HDRatdawn.htm

For the sheep bleating in the background... Baaaaah.


Your stepped out pano.
Are you ever going to acknowledge and respond to the many reasonable
criticisms of your example?

I should be the last person interested in defending Dougie and however
bad the example he posted actually is, I think the technique has some
merit and I hope to try it at some point soon.

It is very similar to airborne mapping photography which is careful to
use flat field lenses. While the lens axis is usually perpendicular to
the nominal ground (and usually stabilized in heading and sometimes in
pitch and roll in some aircraft ) it does not have to be if extensive
photogrametric processing is applied to the image (and p/r angles recorded).

A good flat field lens for this (that I own) would be the 120mm Makro.
However I don't want to go through a roll of 120, process and scan just
for this.

I will try it with my 50, 100 and 135mm lenses on digital when I get a
chance.

As to his HDR discussion I don't think it's worth much debate. There
are a variety of ways to skin that cat and some work better than others
depending on the situation.

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"Alan Browne" wrote in message
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Jeff R. wrote:

"Alienjones" wrote in message
...
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/examples/HDRatdawn.htm

For the sheep bleating in the background... Baaaaah.


Your stepped out pano.
Are you ever going to acknowledge and respond to the many reasonable
criticisms of your example?

I should be the last person interested in defending Dougie and however bad
the example he posted actually is, I think the technique has some merit
and I hope to try it at some point soon.


Don't misunderstand the thrust of this debate, Alan.
I don't think anyone here has disputed the worth of linear panoramas - we
have even suggested some good subjects, just as you do here.

What we object to is Doug's deceit, self-aggrandisement and pomposity. (And
that's just for a start.)
The linear panorama process is just fine - so long as it's not done the way
that Doug suggests.

--
Jeff R.

Jeff R. wrote:

"Alan Browne" wrote in message

I should be the last person interested in defending Dougie and however
bad the example he posted actually is, I think the technique has some
merit and I hope to try it at some point soon.


Don't misunderstand the thrust of this debate, Alan.
I don't think anyone here has disputed the worth of linear panoramas -
we have even suggested some good subjects, just as you do here.

What we object to is Doug's deceit, self-aggrandisement and pomposity.
(And that's just for a start.)
The linear panorama process is just fine - so long as it's not done the
way that Doug suggests.

Ah, well the way to deal with that is very simple. Never reply to him.


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Alienjones wrote:
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/examples/HDRatdawn.htm

For the sheep bleating in the background... Baaaaah.


Please don't let me interrupt your squabble with various posters, many of
whom I have found to make considerate, polite and informative posts, but
you have aroused my curiosity. When you refer to a "stepped out" panorama,
you are actually referring to what is usually known as a linear panorama
are you not?

When I did my second photography unit in college we were taught about
linear panoramas as against rotational or pivotal panoramas. I did one as
an assignment for credit in that course, using a mini-tripod clamped to a
luggage carrier mounted on my mountain bike, a device created by my father.
Using the tripod's inbuilt level and the bike's computer I could move an
exact distance before each shot, making the final "assembly" less arduous
and the result more consistent. The only trouble I had initially, causing
me to wait for a clear day, was with constantly moving clouds. The outcome
was pleasing and the project was interesting, it earned me a Distinction
(but not a High Distinction unfortunately).

Why do you choose to re-name a well established procedure? Calling it
"stepped out" sounds clumsy and imprecise to my thinking. Was there a
reason why you did that? Are you actually attempting to do this hand-held
and walking rather than mounted in some form?


Secret Squirrel


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clandestin_écureuil wrote:
Alienjones wrote:
http://www.douglasjames.com.au/examples/HDRatdawn.htm

For the sheep bleating in the background... Baaaaah.


Please don't let me interrupt your squabble with various posters, many
of whom I have found to make considerate, polite and informative posts,
but you have aroused my curiosity. When you refer to a "stepped out"
panorama, you are actually referring to what is usually known as a
linear panorama are you not?

When I did my second photography unit in college we were taught about
linear panoramas as against rotational or pivotal panoramas. I did one
as an assignment for credit in that course, using a mini-tripod clamped
to a luggage carrier mounted on my mountain bike, a device created by my
father. Using the tripod's inbuilt level and the bike's computer I could
move an exact distance before each shot, making the final "assembly"
less arduous and the result more consistent. The only trouble I had
initially, causing me to wait for a clear day, was with constantly
moving clouds. The outcome was pleasing and the project was interesting,
it earned me a Distinction (but not a High Distinction unfortunately).

Why do you choose to re-name a well established procedure? Calling it
"stepped out" sounds clumsy and imprecise to my thinking. Was there a
reason why you did that? Are you actually attempting to do this
hand-held and walking rather than mounted in some form?


Secret Squirrel



When I make linear panoramas I use a trolly on a fold up "rail" that
serves the same purpose as your bicycle mount did.

The "step" thing goes back nearly a year to when I suggested to Troy
Piggins he might find more challenge in making "stepped out" panoramas
than rotational ones. The trolls picked it up and ran with it. Later I
fueled the flames by posting an example I'd taken a mere 6" apart. It
was part of a 50 frame panorama.

Anyway... You are right. They are linear panoramas. I used the "stepped
out" description to separate ones taken using my purpose built rail to
the quick and dirty ones made by walking along a path.

As you probably know, there is quite a lot of work in making one, even
if you use a rail. Even more work when the camera is hand held. The
theme from the gallery of trolls has changed from "it can't be done" to
"it can be done but..." after the fanboi troll actually did some
research ...into the current flame. I didn't do it cleanly enough.

The thing about Usenet that will eventually see it's demise is the way
in which a couple of key individuals can create an environment in a
group that prevents people from engaging in discussion for fear of
attracting the attention of one of them.

Excuse me if I adopt a low tolerance to the noise in the group. No one
is immune from them or insulated from them. The best idea is to ignore
the flak. I'll happily talk to anyone (except the trolls) who has
anything photographic to talk about.