Absolute beginner needs advivce

"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote in message
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"jjs" wrote

I've often wondered exactly why so many 4x5 press negatives look like
crap
and print horribly. I thought they boiled 'em in Dektol.

Well, ya know boss, its hard to keep things cool and like
copacetic in the trunk of a car ...

Yeah and the reticulation, the stop bath don't help that none.

Oh course you gota use stop bath.

Every one knows a copacetic darkroom has stop bath in the middle

Yeah boss, I'm going now, real quick [clatterclatterclatter slam]

Hey! Whadaya going to cover tanight, yer ass? Ya forgot flashbulbs! (mumble)
Deez boyz, I tell ya I'd hire monkeys... (mumble) Wherezat churchkey...

jjs wrote:
: "Frank Pittel" wrote in message
: ...

: Does anyone know why these press films got dropped?? It wasn't that long
: ago
: that digital displaced film amoung photojournalists.

: For B&W it was Tri-X, through and through with the exception of some fast
: films for special work.

I thought scarpitti is on record as stating that Tri-X can't be used with a
press camera. Only press films can be used with press cameras. I of course don't
believe it but that's scarpitti's claim and we all know that he's always right.

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jjs wrote:
: "Frank Pittel" wrote in message
: ...

: Does anyone know why these press films got dropped?? It wasn't that long
: ago
: that digital displaced film amoung photojournalists.

: For B&W it was Tri-X, through and through with the exception of some fast
: films for special work.

I thought scarpitti is on record as stating that Tri-X can't be used with a
press camera. Only press films can be used with press cameras. I of course don't
believe it but that's scarpitti's claim and we all know that he's always right.

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Gregory Blank wrote:
: I might add I've never used that film, so whether its bull
: I can't comment. Since Frank P is probably reading this you
: all might enjoy one recent factoid I discovered Sensia is
: very Saturated, much more so than Provia,....tooo bad there's
: no 120 or 4x5 version.

Thanks. I just needed to hear about a film that I won't be able to use! :-(

: In article , "jjs"
: wrote:

: Well as pointed out earlier, Fuji has put the PRESS hype on one of their
: lines of film. It's all bull.

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: or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong,
: is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
: to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918

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Gregory Blank wrote:
: I might add I've never used that film, so whether its bull
: I can't comment. Since Frank P is probably reading this you
: all might enjoy one recent factoid I discovered Sensia is
: very Saturated, much more so than Provia,....tooo bad there's
: no 120 or 4x5 version.

Thanks. I just needed to hear about a film that I won't be able to use! :-(

: In article , "jjs"
: wrote:

: Well as pointed out earlier, Fuji has put the PRESS hype on one of their
: lines of film. It's all bull.

: --
: LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank

: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
: or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong,
: is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
: to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918

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PGG wrote:
: On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:51:40 -0500, Frank Pittel wrote:

: PGG wrote:
: : On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:47:16 -0500, jjs wrote:
:
: : "Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
: : om...
: : Frank Pittel wrote in message
: : ...
: :
: : I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400
: : others
: : might prefer Tri-x.
: :
: : Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: : that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: : similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: : in sheet film.
: :
: : What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.
:
: : My guess is its the stuff that goes into those Graflex holders. Holds 6
: : thin sheets in a single film pack so you can rapidly advance to the next
: : sheet. No?
:
: I've got some of those. You have to be careful and make sure the septums are
: flat or they can gouge your film like you wouldn't believe. Isn't that how the
: photographer that took the famous photos of the HindenburgSP? got as many
: shots as quickly as he did? Now that I think about how spontaneous it was I
: realize that those photographs weren't actually taken since according to
: scarpitti that type of spontaneous photography with an LF camera isn't possible.

: The problem with using LF nowadays, for spontaneous pictures such as
: candids, is the attention you receive. 50 years ago, seeing a guy take
: pictures with a Speed Graphic was probably commonplace. I don't know
: about you guys, but I can't shoot LF in a crowded area without getting
: people asking what that thing is and such.

I think we can start a long thread about the questions we've all been asked. I
just got back from a trip to the Rockies and the most common question I was
asked was if they could take a picture of my camera!!


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PGG wrote:
: On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:51:40 -0500, Frank Pittel wrote:

: PGG wrote:
: : On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:47:16 -0500, jjs wrote:
:
: : "Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
: : om...
: : Frank Pittel wrote in message
: : ...
: :
: : I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400
: : others
: : might prefer Tri-x.
: :
: : Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: : that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: : similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: : in sheet film.
: :
: : What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.
:
: : My guess is its the stuff that goes into those Graflex holders. Holds 6
: : thin sheets in a single film pack so you can rapidly advance to the next
: : sheet. No?
:
: I've got some of those. You have to be careful and make sure the septums are
: flat or they can gouge your film like you wouldn't believe. Isn't that how the
: photographer that took the famous photos of the HindenburgSP? got as many
: shots as quickly as he did? Now that I think about how spontaneous it was I
: realize that those photographs weren't actually taken since according to
: scarpitti that type of spontaneous photography with an LF camera isn't possible.

: The problem with using LF nowadays, for spontaneous pictures such as
: candids, is the attention you receive. 50 years ago, seeing a guy take
: pictures with a Speed Graphic was probably commonplace. I don't know
: about you guys, but I can't shoot LF in a crowded area without getting
: people asking what that thing is and such.

I think we can start a long thread about the questions we've all been asked. I
just got back from a trip to the Rockies and the most common question I was
asked was if they could take a picture of my camera!!


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PGG wrote:
: On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 09:51:40 -0500, Frank Pittel wrote:

: PGG wrote:
: : On Fri, 03 Sep 2004 08:47:16 -0500, jjs wrote:
:
: : "Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
: : om...
: : Frank Pittel wrote in message
: : ...
: :
: : I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400
: : others
: : might prefer Tri-x.
: :
: : Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: : that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: : similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: : in sheet film.
: :
: : What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.
:
: : My guess is its the stuff that goes into those Graflex holders. Holds 6
: : thin sheets in a single film pack so you can rapidly advance to the next
: : sheet. No?
:
: I've got some of those. You have to be careful and make sure the septums are
: flat or they can gouge your film like you wouldn't believe. Isn't that how the
: photographer that took the famous photos of the HindenburgSP? got as many
: shots as quickly as he did? Now that I think about how spontaneous it was I
: realize that those photographs weren't actually taken since according to
: scarpitti that type of spontaneous photography with an LF camera isn't possible.

: The problem with using LF nowadays, for spontaneous pictures such as
: candids, is the attention you receive. 50 years ago, seeing a guy take
: pictures with a Speed Graphic was probably commonplace. I don't know
: about you guys, but I can't shoot LF in a crowded area without getting
: people asking what that thing is and such.

I think we can start a long thread about the questions we've all been asked. I
just got back from a trip to the Rockies and the most common question I was
asked was if they could take a picture of my camera!!


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I'm still trying to figure out why I need to use a "press" film with a
"press"
camera. Is there are reason why Tmax-100, Tmax-400 or even Tri-x wouldn't
work
with a "press" camera?

You can stop trying to figure it out. You don't need to use a press film in
your press camera, you can use any film you like as long as it's the right
size and is still being manufactured.

"Frank Pittel" wrote in message
...
jjs wrote:
: "Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
: om...
: Frank Pittel wrote in message
: ...

: I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or
Tmax400
: others
: might prefer Tri-x.
:
: Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: in sheet film.

: What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.

I'm still trying to figure out why I need to use a "press" film with a
"press"
camera. Is there are reason why Tmax-100, Tmax-400 or even Tri-x wouldn't
work
with a "press" camera?

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I'm still trying to figure out why I need to use a "press" film with a
"press"
camera. Is there are reason why Tmax-100, Tmax-400 or even Tri-x wouldn't
work
with a "press" camera?

You can stop trying to figure it out. You don't need to use a press film in
your press camera, you can use any film you like as long as it's the right
size and is still being manufactured.

"Frank Pittel" wrote in message
...
jjs wrote:
: "Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
: om...
: Frank Pittel wrote in message
: ...

: I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or
Tmax400
: others
: might prefer Tri-x.
:
: Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: in sheet film.

: What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.

I'm still trying to figure out why I need to use a "press" film with a
"press"
camera. Is there are reason why Tmax-100, Tmax-400 or even Tri-x wouldn't
work
with a "press" camera?

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