Priming new lithium ion battery for full capacity

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles
to be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't
find any clear recommendation.

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:28:47 +0100, Eddie wrote:

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles
to be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't
find any clear recommendation.

Yes, new Li-Ion batteries can use a few full charge and discharge cycles
before they start to show their true capacity. I wouldn't go out of my way
and do this intentionally in some charger that offers a discharge cycle
because the gain doesn't seem to be all that great and you'd only end-up
losing out on a few charge cycles from the battery's life. I don't know the
exact percentage gained, and I'm sure it's dependent on each manufacturer,
but rough guess is maybe 10-20% more after a few cycles. It is apparent
they last longer (hold more charge) after a few uses. Just use them from
full to empty in your camera a few times and by the 3rd or 4th time they're
doing the best they can.

"Anecdotal Evidence" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:28:47 +0100, Eddie wrote:

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles
to be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't
find any clear recommendation.

Yes, new Li-Ion batteries can use a few full charge and discharge cycles
before they start to show their true capacity. I wouldn't go out of my way
and do this intentionally in some charger that offers a discharge cycle
because the gain doesn't seem to be all that great and you'd only end-up
losing out on a few charge cycles from the battery's life. I don't know
the
exact percentage gained, and I'm sure it's dependent on each manufacturer,
but rough guess is maybe 10-20% more after a few cycles. It is apparent
they last longer (hold more charge) after a few uses. Just use them from
full to empty in your camera a few times and by the 3rd or 4th time
they're
doing the best they can.


Evidence, links? Just made this up didn't you?

On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:30:52 +1000, "Pete D" wrote:


"Anecdotal Evidence" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:28:47 +0100, Eddie wrote:

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles
to be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't
find any clear recommendation.

Yes, new Li-Ion batteries can use a few full charge and discharge cycles
before they start to show their true capacity. I wouldn't go out of my way
and do this intentionally in some charger that offers a discharge cycle
because the gain doesn't seem to be all that great and you'd only end-up
losing out on a few charge cycles from the battery's life. I don't know
the
exact percentage gained, and I'm sure it's dependent on each manufacturer,
but rough guess is maybe 10-20% more after a few cycles. It is apparent
they last longer (hold more charge) after a few uses. Just use them from
full to empty in your camera a few times and by the 3rd or 4th time
they're
doing the best they can.


Evidence, links? Just made this up didn't you?


What part of the phrase "Anecdotal Evidence" do you fail to comprehend? You
****ingly useless major troll and moron.

This is the same way that I found out that defragging flash-media will
improve its write performance when it becomes sluggish, BY TESTING IT
MYSELF. Contrary to all the popularized BS posted all over the net by fool
trolls like you who only know how to parrot others' inexperienced nonsense.
These newsgroups are crawling to the rafters with fools like that, just
like you.

Go ahead, use Google again to read the most popular links, made popular by
fools who are more than happy to accept the most popular dumbed-down
explanations. All because it sounds good and everyone else wants to believe
it too so they can feel accepted by all their other fellow fools. Their
need to feel as if they belong to the majority overwhelms their ability to
think, act, and reason for themselves. Whereas more intelligent people will
read those pages further down in the Google search that might have valid
information created by those who never take the first and most popular
answer as the correct one, or would rather test things independently of all
others.

Google = Easily parroted misconceptions authored by laymen exponentially
multiplied and popularized by lazy, inexperienced, insecure, and ignorant
minds.

Wiki pages being even worse than that.

"Facts" have been reduced to a an uneducated blind-following-sheep's
popularity contest.

You are living proof.

"Anecdotal Evidence" wrote in message
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On Tue, 29 Sep 2009 06:30:52 +1000, "Pete D" wrote:


"Anecdotal Evidence" wrote in message
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On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:28:47 +0100, Eddie wrote:

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles
to be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't
find any clear recommendation.

Yes, new Li-Ion batteries can use a few full charge and discharge cycles
before they start to show their true capacity. I wouldn't go out of my
way
and do this intentionally in some charger that offers a discharge cycle
because the gain doesn't seem to be all that great and you'd only end-up
losing out on a few charge cycles from the battery's life. I don't know
the
exact percentage gained, and I'm sure it's dependent on each
manufacturer,
but rough guess is maybe 10-20% more after a few cycles. It is apparent
they last longer (hold more charge) after a few uses. Just use them from
full to empty in your camera a few times and by the 3rd or 4th time
they're
doing the best they can.


Evidence, links? Just made this up didn't you?


What part of the phrase "Anecdotal Evidence" do you fail to comprehend?
You
****ingly useless major troll and moron.

This is the same way that I found out that defragging flash-media will
improve its write performance when it becomes sluggish, BY TESTING IT
MYSELF. Contrary to all the popularized BS posted all over the net by fool
trolls like you who only know how to parrot others' inexperienced
nonsense.
These newsgroups are crawling to the rafters with fools like that, just
like you.

Go ahead, use Google again to read the most popular links, made popular by
fools who are more than happy to accept the most popular dumbed-down
explanations. All because it sounds good and everyone else wants to
believe
it too so they can feel accepted by all their other fellow fools. Their
need to feel as if they belong to the majority overwhelms their ability to
think, act, and reason for themselves. Whereas more intelligent people
will
read those pages further down in the Google search that might have valid
information created by those who never take the first and most popular
answer as the correct one, or would rather test things independently of
all
others.

Google = Easily parroted misconceptions authored by laymen exponentially
multiplied and popularized by lazy, inexperienced, insecure, and ignorant
minds.

Wiki pages being even worse than that.

"Facts" have been reduced to a an uneducated blind-following-sheep's
popularity contest.

You are living proof.

LOL, and LOL again....

Anecdotal Evidence wrote:

BY TESTING IT MYSELF.

Testing it myself, typical name shifting trolls like
"Anecdotal Evidence" are worthless.

"Facts" have been reduced to a an uneducated blind-following-sheep's
popularity contest.

To quote you: "You are living proof."

-Wolfgang

On Mon, 28 Sep 2009 15:28:47 +0100, Eddie wrote:

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles
to be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't
find any clear recommendation.

A Li-ion battery has a limited number of full charge cycles.
No need to waste them. You'll get about 600 of them.

In article ,
Eddie wrote:

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles
to be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't
find any clear recommendation.

It's going to vary by manufacturing technique and rating technique.
Ratings may understate or overstate capacity depending on whether the
manufacturer wants to emphasize density or endurance. Only the
manufacture's performance graphs will tell you what you want to know.

--
I will not see your reply if you use Google.

Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
In article ,
Eddie wrote:

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles
to be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't
find any clear recommendation.

It's going to vary by manufacturing technique and rating technique.
Ratings may understate or overstate capacity depending on whether the
manufacturer wants to emphasize density or endurance. Only the
manufacture's performance graphs will tell you what you want to know.

I am curious about why some people are so obsessed with battery
life--batteries are the cheapest element in digital photography. Some of
the satements in this thread (_Not_ McMurtie's post, incidentally)
approach the medieval "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"
question.
Allen

"Allen" wrote in message
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Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
In article ,
Eddie wrote:

Does a new lithium ion battery need a few charge and discharge cycles to
be able to hold and delivery its full capacity?

ISTR a new lithium ion needed a few cycles but when I checked on how
much percentange improvement the extra cycles provided, I couldn't find
any clear recommendation.

It's going to vary by manufacturing technique and rating technique.
Ratings may understate or overstate capacity depending on whether the
manufacturer wants to emphasize density or endurance. Only the
manufacture's performance graphs will tell you what you want to know.

I am curious about why some people are so obsessed with battery
life--batteries are the cheapest element in digital photography. Some of
the satements in this thread (_Not_ McMurtie's post, incidentally)
approach the medieval "how many angels can dance on the head of a pin"
question.
Allen

Be that as it may, I paid AUD$1,700 for a camera body and the batteries here
in Australia are AUD$170 each so if I buy two spares that means they are 20%
of the cost of the body, personally I would like to know what sort of life I
will get from them.

Pete