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Question for you Apple crazies
In article , Bill W
wrote: All very helpful info, and I might wait a bit as you suggested. I really want 16/512 or even 16/1TB, and I'd prefer the i7, so a discount on one of those can be very meaningful. get as much memory as you can afford, and unless you're doing something *very* memory intensive, 32 gig is overkill. keep in mind that the ssd is *fast* so there is very little impact if the system has to page. as for ssd, do you really need *everything* on an internal drive? you could use your existing windows box as a server. |
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:43:23 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Bill W wrote: Thanks. I'll have to do some research on those keyboards. go to an apple store and see how they feel. the new butterfly keyboard has less travel than the older keyboard, which some people prefer and others definitely do not. the second generation keyboard ('17 models) has slightly more travel than the first gen. the problem is the new keyboard was designed to minimize dirt ingress, which it does do. however, that doesn't mean impossible, and if dirt does get in, it's also harder for it to get out, thus the higher incidence of failure. other keyboards are not immune to dirt ingress either, including the older macbook keyboards as well as keyboards on pc laptops and desktops. flip whatever keyboard you're currently using upside-down and shake it a bit. All good to know, and more to keep in mind when I go look. |
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Question for you Apple crazies
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:43:25 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Bill W wrote: Like I told Duck, I haven't so much as touched any Apple computer since the Lisa(?) many years ago. yikes. that's 35 years ago. And when I shop, I don't even glance at the Apple section, so it's pretty important for me to stop in somewhere and actually look at one of these things... yep. go to an apple store and they'll answer questions you never thought to ask, or if you prefer, they'll leave you alone to play for an hour or three. feel free to bring a usb stick or even a portable hard drive with some photos, videos or whatever else. Do they ever have LR or PS installed on the display models? |
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Question for you Apple crazies
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 00:43:25 -0400, nospam
wrote: In article , Bill W wrote: All very helpful info, and I might wait a bit as you suggested. I really want 16/512 or even 16/1TB, and I'd prefer the i7, so a discount on one of those can be very meaningful. get as much memory as you can afford, and unless you're doing something *very* memory intensive, 32 gig is overkill. keep in mind that the ssd is *fast* so there is very little impact if the system has to page. as for ssd, do you really need *everything* on an internal drive? you could use your existing windows box as a server. And a portable thingy for the road. Relegating this Windows box to server status has crossed my mind. |
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Question for you Apple crazies
In article , Bill W
wrote: go to an apple store and they'll answer questions you never thought to ask, or if you prefer, they'll leave you alone to play for an hour or three. feel free to bring a usb stick or even a portable hard drive with some photos, videos or whatever else. Do they ever have LR or PS installed on the display models? i'm pretty sure they have the entire adobe suite, along with a *lot* more. if not, download and install a demo. every system is re-imaged overnight to clear the stuff people do... didn't you say you do audio? this will be among the apps installed, given that it's from apple: https://www.apple.com/logic-pro/ |
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Question for you Apple crazies
On 6/14/18 PDT 8:29 PM, PeterN wrote: On 6/14/2018 3:44 PM, Savageduck wrote:. ...and I do take it personally, as it is not, cute, flippant, or funny. With your response above you confirm that you are targeting individuals. The way you, and Mayayana use it is intentionally insulting. You are right on. I intentionally used the term to mean what you suggest. I have little patience for people who continually refuse to admit that any product is suitable for all people. No product is suitable for all people! Did you really mean to say that? You've been asked to stop with gratuitous insults. Especially targeted ones. A very reasonable request. |
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Question for you Apple crazies
On Jun 15, 2018, John McWilliams wrote
(in article ): On 6/14/18 PDT 8:29 PM, PeterN wrote: On 6/14/2018 3:44 PM, Savageduck wrote:. ...and I do take it personally, as it is not, cute, flippant, or funny. With your response above you confirm that you are targeting individuals. The way you, and Mayayana use it is intentionally insulting. You are right on. I intentionally used the term to mean what you suggest. I have little patience for people who continually refuse to admit that any product is suitable for all people. No product is suitable for all people! Did you really mean to say that? You've been asked to stop with gratuitous insults. Especially targeted ones. A very reasonable request. I would have thought Peter would have grasped that much. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 6/15/2018 12:11 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2018 20:48:17 -0700, Savageduck wrote: On Jun 13, 2018, Bill W wrote (in ): My home is paid for, and I'm moving to a place where housing is about half what it is here, so if I buy something about the same size, I might have enough left over to buy an Apple product... So some questions: Most important, is there any point in shopping around for the best price on a Macbook Pro, or is the pricing pretty much fixed? I see that there a lot of listings with years mentioned. How far back can I go to be able to dual boot into Windows? How far back to get a great retina display? And how far back to get great performance, something that is more than adequate for LR & PS, video and audio editing? How far back where I can still easily add a second high quality display? You could go back as far as 2010 to be able to dual boot into Windows, and still run the latest macOS. However, that is pushing the envelope with regard to future macOS upgrades. I suggest you explore OWC as they have later models which they can custom configure. They have a solid return policy, and offer great service. You are only limited by your budget. https://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Apple_Systems/Used/Macs_and_Tablets Since you are considering a MacBook Pro the configuration and CPU are going to determine price. For example here is a mid 2014 15” with 16GB memory, a quad core i7, and 1 TB SSD for $1999. You do know Macs hold their value? https://eshop.macsales.com/item/Apple/PD2HS62XXXXXC/ Otherwise go straight to Apple and buy new: https://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro/15-inch ...and this might be a good starting point for new, with some custom configuration if you need it. https://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/s...y-mac/macbook- pro?product=MJLQ2LL/A&step=config# I think I misled a bit - although I would consider a used unit, new is my preference right now. I think I'm going to put this off for a bit, since the new ones are coming out soon. I had a specific reason for grabbing one right away, but it's not that important. my current laptop is still usable. In fact, after I get settled in my new town, I might consider getting a desktop instead. There were a lot of replies to this thread, so I did get plenty of useful info. I had no idea that Apple products were reduced at times. One funny this is that an Apple desktop is the first computer I ever touched many years ago, and I have never touched one since. It has nothing to do with my first experience with them, it's just that once you start on a platform, in my case Windows, you are likely to just stick with it. And I did. Getting an Apple is like my reward for suffering through Windows all these years. i have used Photoshop on both Apple and PC desktops with similar specs, and did not notice any substantial usability or performance difference. -- PeterN |
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On 6/15/2018 12:14 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Thu, 14 Jun 2018 00:05:25 -0400, PeterN wrote: On 6/13/2018 10:08 PM, Bill W wrote: My home is paid for, and I'm moving to a place where housing is about half what it is here, so if I buy something about the same size, I might have enough left over to buy an Apple product... So some questions: Most important, is there any point in shopping around for the best price on a Macbook Pro, or is the pricing pretty much fixed? I see that there a lot of listings with years mentioned. How far back can I go to be able to dual boot into Windows? How far back to get a great retina display? And how far back to get great performance, something that is more than adequate for LR & PS, video and audio editing? How far back where I can still easily add a second high quality display? That is a fine machine. Whether you are getting one depends upon what you plan to use it for. One of my reasons for not getting one, is that I do not like a glossy screen. I find that I do not get the tonality in the darker areas with a glossy screen, that I get with a matte screen. If you plan to use it just for family type, or event pictures, it will be fine. Based on my experience with the iPhone, and iPad, Apple service has been satisfactory. The techies seem to know what they are doing. I can't say about dual boot on the portable, but I'm sure that you will get an honest and knowledgeable answer from Apple. As for price, some of the big box stores sell either reconditioned, or out of the box machines. I don't know about Apple. However, based upon my on experience I would only purchase an Apple product directly from Apple. But that's the conservative purchaser in me. Like I told Duck, I haven't so much as touched any Apple computer since the Lisa(?) many years ago. And when I shop, I don't even glance at the Apple section, so it's pretty important for me to stop in somewhere and actually look at one of these things... As I stated above, while i personally do not like the Apple notebooks, for the reasons stated, assuming similar specs, i don't think there is any substantial usability or performance difference between them, when using Photoshop. -- PeterN |
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Question for you Apple crazies
On 6/15/2018 12:19 AM, Bill W wrote:
snip All very helpful info, and I might wait a bit as you suggested. I really want 16/512 or even 16/1TB, and I'd prefer the i7, so a discount on one of those can be very meaningful. Not all i7 processors are equal. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/processors/core/i7-processors.html Also I am not sure whether the graphics program you plan to use will use all the features on the latest and greatest i7, An i5 may be perfectly fine for what you want to do. As for drive space, i Store all my programs on an SSD, and the files on a 6T drive. I was running out of space on my old drive. I also have an in house 12T backup All I am saying is that many of us have difference needs. I try to get what I need, but try not to waste money. OTOH I mentioned to one of my daughters that i might get a Lexus next year. She asked if I need one. I said no, but i may want one. -- PeterN |
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