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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...013_teardowns/ more of the usual hypocritical bull****. how many people repair their own laptops? not very many. their claim that soldering components makes them more likely to break is also nonsense. soldering makes something *more* reliable than having sockets. many times it's the socket that fails, not the parts or board, so by eliminating the socket, you remove a point of failure. they bitch about the headphone jack being soldered to the logicboard, completely neglecting to mention that just about every radio, mp3 player and many other devices have headphone jacks soldered to the main board and they rarely break. it's a non-issue. another issue they mention is soldered memory, but that not unique to apple. windows ultrabooks do exactly the same thing and most people don't upgrade their memory after the fact anyway, so this too is a non-issue. they complain about the pentalobe screws, yet the appropriate tool is easily available for a few bucks. more of the same. but the biggest problem with that article is what it *doesn't* mention, and that is that microsoft's own surface tablets are just as difficult to repair, if not more so. there's a *very* high likelihood that you will break clips or ribbon cables, leaving you with a bunch of inoperable parts. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/25/2013 8:09 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10...013_teardowns/ more of the usual hypocritical bull****. how many people repair their own laptops? not very many. their claim that soldering components makes them more likely to break is also nonsense. soldering makes something *more* reliable than having sockets. many times it's the socket that fails, not the parts or board, so by eliminating the socket, you remove a point of failure. they bitch about the headphone jack being soldered to the logicboard, completely neglecting to mention that just about every radio, mp3 player and many other devices have headphone jacks soldered to the main board and they rarely break. it's a non-issue. another issue they mention is soldered memory, but that not unique to apple. windows ultrabooks do exactly the same thing and most people don't upgrade their memory after the fact anyway, so this too is a non-issue. they complain about the pentalobe screws, yet the appropriate tool is easily available for a few bucks. more of the same. but the biggest problem with that article is what it *doesn't* mention, and that is that microsoft's own surface tablets are just as difficult to repair, if not more so. there's a *very* high likelihood that you will break clips or ribbon cables, leaving you with a bunch of inoperable parts. I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. -- PeterN |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 2013.10.25, 20:35 , PeterN wrote:
I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. I recently bought a new iMac with the minimum memory (8 GB). I bought another 16 GB from Crucial at a lower price than Apple charged for 8 more. Stuffing it into the iMac took about 3 minutes from shutdown to startup. 24 GB means never having to write to swap (esp. with the new OS 10.9 "Mavericks" as it appears Apple have done major improvements to memory management). -- "Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another." -Ambrose Bierce |
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On 10/25/2013 8:41 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2013.10.25, 20:35 , PeterN wrote: I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. I recently bought a new iMac with the minimum memory (8 GB). I bought another 16 GB from Crucial at a lower price than Apple charged for 8 more. Stuffing it into the iMac took about 3 minutes from shutdown to startup. 24 GB means never having to write to swap (esp. with the new OS 10.9 "Mavericks" as it appears Apple have done major improvements to memory management). My laptop won't support more than 16. There is only one -- PeterN |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , PeterN
wrote: I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. most people wouldn't know where to start to add their own memory. not everyone is a geek. now you decide at the time of purchase instead of later, and apple's prices aren't all that outrageous, assuming you compare the same type of memory. for instance, apple charges $100 more for 8 gig versus 4 gig on the 13" macbook pro retina. newegg has the same spec memory for $77. other sellers are a little higher. $20 to have it preinstalled and not need to deal with figuring out which chip to get, along with having everything warranted by one company so there isn't any question about what caused any problem that might occur, is well worth it. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 10/25/2013 8:59 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. most people wouldn't know where to start to add their own memory. not everyone is a geek. now you decide at the time of purchase instead of later, and apple's prices aren't all that outrageous, assuming you compare the same type of memory. for instance, apple charges $100 more for 8 gig versus 4 gig on the 13" macbook pro retina. newegg has the same spec memory for $77. other sellers are a little higher. $20 to have it preinstalled and not need to deal with figuring out which chip to get, along with having everything warranted by one company so there isn't any question about what caused any problem that might occur, is well worth it. You don't have to be a geek to install memory. But you are probably right in this case. IIRC Lenovo wanted $240 more for 16gig. I paid under $100. I do admit, that I got a deal on it, as I found a place that was going out of business. Otherwise it owuld have cost me $160, from Crucial. Still a savings. -- PeterN |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
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wrote: You don't have to be a geek to install memory. depends what you call a geek. most people aren't interested in opening up the computer to install parts, even if it's easy. you don't need to be an auto mechanic to change a flat tire but most people don't want to deal with that either. But you are probably right in this case. IIRC Lenovo wanted $240 more for 16gig. I paid under $100. I do admit, that I got a deal on it, as I found a place that was going out of business. Otherwise it owuld have cost me $160, from Crucial. Still a savings. apple currently charges $200 for 16 gig ddr3 1600 memory. that's *less* than lenovo charges, presumably for the same spec memory. it'd be much worse if lenovo charges more for lower spec memory. so much for apple being more expensive. $40 to have the memory preinstalled and fully warranted by one company is well worth it to many people. no hassles and it just works. if anything goes wrong, it will be fixed, without anyone blaming it on faulty third party memory. |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
On 2013.10.25, 20:59 , nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote: I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. most people wouldn't know where to start to add their own memory. not everyone is a geek. now you decide at the time of purchase instead of later, and apple's prices aren't all that outrageous, assuming you compare the same type of memory. Horse**** as usual. If you need more memory, sites like Crucial guide the non-geek right to the correct part. Even geekish me relies on them to be absolutely sure I don't order the wrong part as it's easy enough to do. For example on the i7 iMac, selecting the wrong clock timings for a 1600 MHz DDR3 will cause the memory to run at 1033 or 1333 MHz. At that, the correct timing numbers are counter intuitive. -- "Quotation, n: The act of repeating erroneously the words of another." -Ambrose Bierce |
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Apple gives a new meaning to solid state.
In article , Alan Browne
wrote: I don't know about 'most people,' but I paid Lenovo for 4 gig of memory, and bought 16 from Crucial, for much less than half the price Lenovo wanted to charge. The replacement took less than 15 minutes. I had the chance to see if I really needed the memory before I bought it, and saved money in the process. most people wouldn't know where to start to add their own memory. not everyone is a geek. now you decide at the time of purchase instead of later, and apple's prices aren't all that outrageous, assuming you compare the same type of memory. Horse**** as usual. If you need more memory, sites like Crucial guide the non-geek right to the correct part. Even geekish me relies on them to be absolutely sure I don't order the wrong part as it's easy enough to do. non-geeks don't even know where to start looking for memory. For example on the i7 iMac, selecting the wrong clock timings for a 1600 MHz DDR3 will cause the memory to run at 1033 or 1333 MHz. At that, the correct timing numbers are counter intuitive. all the more reason a non-geek doesn't want to bother. |
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