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Old July 14th 07, 02:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Default Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon

Doug Jewell wrote:

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Dave Cohen wrote:
frederick wrote:
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk..._128284.h tml


Does that mean should I contemplate moving up to a dslr I should let
a poll determine my choice.
Dave Cohen


It depends on which segment of the market you're interested in. Nikon
is pretty weak in the entry level right now, with the severely
de-featured D40x only slightly cheaper than the far more capable Canon
400D.

In what way is the D40x "severely de-featured" when compared with the
400D? Is it because it will only have AF with AFS lenses?


That's one reason. Here are some others:

1. No mirror lock-up on the D40x

2. Lens selection. As one reviewer wrote, comparing the two cameras, "A
Nikon D40x owner is at a serious disadvantage if they try to shoot
indoor sports since they don’t have access to any bright (f/1.8 or
larger) prime lenses that can AF with the camera." OTOH, for the amateur
photographer, content with Nikon's AF-S consumer lenses (or the Sigma
HSM lenses) the D40x is alright.

3. No depth of field preview.

4. No bracketing on exposure or white balance.

5. No battery grip option (this is a biggie, a vertical grip with a
shutter release is a _very_ useful accessory even without the extra
battery capability). Maybe someone will make one as an aftermarket
accessory, as happened with the Nikon D70. Ansmann makes a battery grip
for the D40x, but it lacks a shutter release, which makes it fairly
worthless.

Canon really has no competitor to the D40x, which is a very low end
D-SLR. The D80 is more of the competitor to the 400D. I'm glad Nikon
brought out the D40x as it puts price pressure on Canon to keep the
price of their cheapest D-SLR close to the price of Nikon's second
cheapest D-SLR, even though the Canon 400D is much better.

Bottom line, if going the Nikon route, get the D80, not the D40x. Within
a few months, that extra $250 will be forgotten and you'll have a much
more capable camera that you'll be happier with.

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and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's
lawful prey." [John Ruskin, 1819-1900]
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  #22  
Old July 14th 07, 02:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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BaumBadier wrote:

The decline in DSLR sales


What color is the sun on your planet?

SLRs lead digital camera sales surge
"http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6173084.html"

It's the P&S camera sales that are slowing, as the market reaches
saturation. The SLR sales are going up as people realize the limitations
of P&S digital cameras.

In fact, it's a whole new paradigm compared to film. With film, even the
lowliest 35mm point and shoot had access to the same "sensors" as the
most expensive 35mm SLRs, and had low shutter lag. With digital, if you
want low noise/high ISO you can't just pop in a sensor with a higher
ISO. If you want no shutter lag with a P&S, forget it. There are a few
tricks you can play, but they all involve compromises that are unacceptable.

Image quality, shutter lag, and lens interchangeability, as well as
declining prices, are driving the surge in digital SLR sales. With the
low end digital SLRs only a bit more expensive than the high end point
and shoots, it's no wonder that SLR sales are soaring.
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Old July 14th 07, 02:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:50:20 +0100, Tony Polson wrote:

The decline in DSLR sales is not from competition but because people are finding
out that many excellent P&S cameras take photos every bit as good. They're not
switching brands they're switching to more compact and feature-packed cameras
for a much lower price.



That is complete nonsense, because sales of compact digital cameras
have stalled, and in some markets are actually going down. Meanwhile,
sales of DSLRs are still growing strongly, at 20-30% year-on-year.

But please feel free to continue deluding yourself.


Don't assume that BaumBadier is self deluded. He's just doing
what a troll does so well. Don't tell me that this is the first of
his messages that you've seen. But if it is, expect much more of
the same.

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Old July 14th 07, 03:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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In article , SMS says...

SLRs lead digital camera sales surge
"http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6173084.html"


106 million compact digital cameras sold vs. 5 million DSLRs sold. Guess
which cameras are more popular.
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Old July 14th 07, 03:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
SMS wrote:
Dave Cohen wrote:
frederick wrote:
http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk..._128284.h tml

Does that mean should I contemplate moving up to a
dslr I should let a poll determine my choice.

Definitely. Especially a poll taken in Japan.

Still, Nikon's comeback in D-SLRs has been
amazing. Except for the high-end professional market,
where the volumes are low and prices are high, Nikon
finally has a good selection of D-SLRs. The sales
numbers reflect the pent-up demand from Nikon owners
that have been waiting for cameras like the D200 and D80.


And soon enough Canon will again release a flurry of new
models, and the poll pendulum will swing the other way.
And stay there until soon enough Nikon will again
release ...


Even though I'm a Canon user, I'm thrilled to see that Nikon has become
a real player in D-SLRs. Canon was getting a bit too smug without any
real competition.
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Old July 14th 07, 03:11 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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nospam wrote:
In article , SMS
wrote:

It depends on which segment of the market you're interested in. Nikon is
pretty weak in the entry level right now, with the severely de-featured
D40x only slightly cheaper than the far more capable Canon 400D. But in
the mid-range "prosumer" segment, Nikon has some good choices right now.


knock it off. the d40x is not 'severely de-featured.' perhaps it
doesn't meet YOUR needs, but both it and the d40 meet the needs of
millions of other people.


If going the Nikon route, get the D80, not the D40x. Within a few
months, that extra $250 will be forgotten and you'll have a much more
capable camera that you'll be happier with. The D40x was severely
defeatured to meet a price point, and to avoid taking sales away from
the D80.

What you need to understand is that you don't want to be changing camera
bodies a year down the road when you discover that a key feature, whose
value you didn't understand at the time of purchase, is missing.

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"There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse
and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's
lawful prey." [John Ruskin, 1819-1900]
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nikon is not lagging badly. the only issue right now is no full-frame
and that is expected to change.


The lack of full frame is hurting Nikon in a big way. Not because sales
of the full frame cameras are so great, but because they appear to have
no upgrade path for the prosumer who is in the process of building up a
collection of lenses, flashes, etc., in the expectation that FF prices
will fall to a level he or she can afford.
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Old July 14th 07, 03:21 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Bengt C wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:29:53 +0200, SMS wrote:

Dave Cohen wrote:
It depends on which segment of the market you're interested in. Nikon
is pretty weak in the entry level right now, with the severely
de-featured D40x only slightly cheaper than the far more capable Canon
400D. But in the mid-range "prosumer" segment, Nikon has some good
choices right now.


This is plain wrong. First and foremost Nikon can offer several normal
zooms
Canon has *none*. With Canon you *most* go to third party sources to get a
decent lens (within entry level budget). Don't you think the lens is a
pretty
vital part of the camera?


Of course. Thankfully, you have no idea what you're talking about. Canon
offers several "normal" zooms, both in EF, and EF-s. I have three of
them myself.

If you want cheaper lenses, of course there is no shortage of
third-party lenses for Nikon or Canon.

What Canon _does_ lack, is a lens like the $900 AF-S Zoom-Nikkor ED
18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF DX VR. Canon has the excellent $550 EF-S 17-85mm
f/4-5.6 IS USM, which is better optically, but with no telephoto
capability, while Nikon has the $400 18-70mm, without VR.
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Old July 14th 07, 03:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , SMS says...

SLRs lead digital camera sales surge
"http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6173084.html"


106 million compact digital cameras sold vs. 5 million DSLRs sold. Guess
which cameras are more popular.


You have to look at the growth rates, not just the raw numbers.
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Old July 14th 07, 03:55 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
SMS wrote:
That's one reason. Here are some others:

1. No mirror lock-up on the D40x

2. Lens selection. As one reviewer wrote, comparing the two cameras, "A
Nikon D40x owner is at a serious disadvantage if they try to shoot
indoor sports since they don’t have access to any bright (f/1.8 or
larger) prime lenses that can AF with the camera." OTOH, for the amateur
photographer, content with Nikon's AF-S consumer lenses (or the Sigma
HSM lenses) the D40x is alright.

3. No depth of field preview.

4. No bracketing on exposure or white balance.

5. No battery grip option (this is a biggie, a vertical grip with a
shutter release is a _very_ useful accessory even without the extra
battery capability). Maybe someone will make one as an aftermarket
accessory, as happened with the Nikon D70. Ansmann makes a battery grip
for the D40x, but it lacks a shutter release, which makes it fairly
worthless.


Not that I would buy a D40x, but you are not exactly talking about features
the average D40x would miss.

Mirror lock-up, as if they would carry a tripod.

Lens selection, as if 50mm is particularly useful for indoor sports.
And the 70-200/2.8 is just one stop away.

No DOF preview, even on Nikon's professional film bodies, you can't just rely
on DOF preview.

Who need bracketing?

You need a grip for heavy lenses. But the typical D40x owner unlikely
to spend serious money on lenses. If you do want to spend a couple of
thousand or more on lenses, get a D200 or a D2X.


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Old July 14th 07, 03:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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SMS wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote:



And soon enough Canon will again release a flurry of new
models, and the poll pendulum will swing the other way.
And stay there until soon enough Nikon will again
release ...


Even though I'm a Canon user, I'm thrilled to see that Nikon has become
a real player in D-SLRs. Canon was getting a bit too smug without any
real competition.


This competition, together with a handful of other players in the DSLR
and P+S markets, is what brought digital equipment so far so fast,
although the curve for improvements and new features has flattened
markedly in the past several years.

--
john mcwilliams
 




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