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Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon
Doug Jewell wrote:
"SMS" wrote in message ... Dave Cohen wrote: frederick wrote: http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk..._128284.h tml Does that mean should I contemplate moving up to a dslr I should let a poll determine my choice. Dave Cohen It depends on which segment of the market you're interested in. Nikon is pretty weak in the entry level right now, with the severely de-featured D40x only slightly cheaper than the far more capable Canon 400D. In what way is the D40x "severely de-featured" when compared with the 400D? Is it because it will only have AF with AFS lenses? That's one reason. Here are some others: 1. No mirror lock-up on the D40x 2. Lens selection. As one reviewer wrote, comparing the two cameras, "A Nikon D40x owner is at a serious disadvantage if they try to shoot indoor sports since they don’t have access to any bright (f/1.8 or larger) prime lenses that can AF with the camera." OTOH, for the amateur photographer, content with Nikon's AF-S consumer lenses (or the Sigma HSM lenses) the D40x is alright. 3. No depth of field preview. 4. No bracketing on exposure or white balance. 5. No battery grip option (this is a biggie, a vertical grip with a shutter release is a _very_ useful accessory even without the extra battery capability). Maybe someone will make one as an aftermarket accessory, as happened with the Nikon D70. Ansmann makes a battery grip for the D40x, but it lacks a shutter release, which makes it fairly worthless. Canon really has no competitor to the D40x, which is a very low end D-SLR. The D80 is more of the competitor to the 400D. I'm glad Nikon brought out the D40x as it puts price pressure on Canon to keep the price of their cheapest D-SLR close to the price of Nikon's second cheapest D-SLR, even though the Canon 400D is much better. Bottom line, if going the Nikon route, get the D80, not the D40x. Within a few months, that extra $250 will be forgotten and you'll have a much more capable camera that you'll be happier with. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey." [John Ruskin, 1819-1900] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
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Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon
BaumBadier wrote:
The decline in DSLR sales What color is the sun on your planet? SLRs lead digital camera sales surge "http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6173084.html" It's the P&S camera sales that are slowing, as the market reaches saturation. The SLR sales are going up as people realize the limitations of P&S digital cameras. In fact, it's a whole new paradigm compared to film. With film, even the lowliest 35mm point and shoot had access to the same "sensors" as the most expensive 35mm SLRs, and had low shutter lag. With digital, if you want low noise/high ISO you can't just pop in a sensor with a higher ISO. If you want no shutter lag with a P&S, forget it. There are a few tricks you can play, but they all involve compromises that are unacceptable. Image quality, shutter lag, and lens interchangeability, as well as declining prices, are driving the surge in digital SLR sales. With the low end digital SLRs only a bit more expensive than the high end point and shoots, it's no wonder that SLR sales are soaring. |
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Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 10:50:20 +0100, Tony Polson wrote:
The decline in DSLR sales is not from competition but because people are finding out that many excellent P&S cameras take photos every bit as good. They're not switching brands they're switching to more compact and feature-packed cameras for a much lower price. That is complete nonsense, because sales of compact digital cameras have stalled, and in some markets are actually going down. Meanwhile, sales of DSLRs are still growing strongly, at 20-30% year-on-year. But please feel free to continue deluding yourself. Don't assume that BaumBadier is self deluded. He's just doing what a troll does so well. Don't tell me that this is the first of his messages that you've seen. But if it is, expect much more of the same. |
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Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon
In article , SMS says...
SLRs lead digital camera sales surge "http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6173084.html" 106 million compact digital cameras sold vs. 5 million DSLRs sold. Guess which cameras are more popular. -- Alfred Molon ------------------------------ Olympus 50X0, 7070, 8080, E3X0, E4X0 and E5X0 forum at http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/MyOlympus/ http://myolympus.org/ photo sharing site |
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Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon
Floyd L. Davidson wrote:
SMS wrote: Dave Cohen wrote: frederick wrote: http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk..._128284.h tml Does that mean should I contemplate moving up to a dslr I should let a poll determine my choice. Definitely. Especially a poll taken in Japan. Still, Nikon's comeback in D-SLRs has been amazing. Except for the high-end professional market, where the volumes are low and prices are high, Nikon finally has a good selection of D-SLRs. The sales numbers reflect the pent-up demand from Nikon owners that have been waiting for cameras like the D200 and D80. And soon enough Canon will again release a flurry of new models, and the poll pendulum will swing the other way. And stay there until soon enough Nikon will again release ... Even though I'm a Canon user, I'm thrilled to see that Nikon has become a real player in D-SLRs. Canon was getting a bit too smug without any real competition. |
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Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon
nospam wrote:
In article , SMS wrote: It depends on which segment of the market you're interested in. Nikon is pretty weak in the entry level right now, with the severely de-featured D40x only slightly cheaper than the far more capable Canon 400D. But in the mid-range "prosumer" segment, Nikon has some good choices right now. knock it off. the d40x is not 'severely de-featured.' perhaps it doesn't meet YOUR needs, but both it and the d40 meet the needs of millions of other people. If going the Nikon route, get the D80, not the D40x. Within a few months, that extra $250 will be forgotten and you'll have a much more capable camera that you'll be happier with. The D40x was severely defeatured to meet a price point, and to avoid taking sales away from the D80. What you need to understand is that you don't want to be changing camera bodies a year down the road when you discover that a key feature, whose value you didn't understand at the time of purchase, is missing. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "There is nothing in the world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and he who considers price only is that man's lawful prey." [John Ruskin, 1819-1900] ------------------------------------------------------------------------ nikon is not lagging badly. the only issue right now is no full-frame and that is expected to change. The lack of full frame is hurting Nikon in a big way. Not because sales of the full frame cameras are so great, but because they appear to have no upgrade path for the prosumer who is in the process of building up a collection of lenses, flashes, etc., in the expectation that FF prices will fall to a level he or she can afford. |
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Bengt C wrote:
On Sat, 14 Jul 2007 06:29:53 +0200, SMS wrote: Dave Cohen wrote: It depends on which segment of the market you're interested in. Nikon is pretty weak in the entry level right now, with the severely de-featured D40x only slightly cheaper than the far more capable Canon 400D. But in the mid-range "prosumer" segment, Nikon has some good choices right now. This is plain wrong. First and foremost Nikon can offer several normal zooms Canon has *none*. With Canon you *most* go to third party sources to get a decent lens (within entry level budget). Don't you think the lens is a pretty vital part of the camera? Of course. Thankfully, you have no idea what you're talking about. Canon offers several "normal" zooms, both in EF, and EF-s. I have three of them myself. If you want cheaper lenses, of course there is no shortage of third-party lenses for Nikon or Canon. What Canon _does_ lack, is a lens like the $900 AF-S Zoom-Nikkor ED 18-200mm f/3.5-5.6G IF DX VR. Canon has the excellent $550 EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM, which is better optically, but with no telephoto capability, while Nikon has the $400 18-70mm, without VR. |
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Alfred Molon wrote:
In article , SMS says... SLRs lead digital camera sales surge "http://news.com.com/2100-1041_3-6173084.html" 106 million compact digital cameras sold vs. 5 million DSLRs sold. Guess which cameras are more popular. You have to look at the growth rates, not just the raw numbers. |
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Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon
In article ,
SMS wrote: That's one reason. Here are some others: 1. No mirror lock-up on the D40x 2. Lens selection. As one reviewer wrote, comparing the two cameras, "A Nikon D40x owner is at a serious disadvantage if they try to shoot indoor sports since they don’t have access to any bright (f/1.8 or larger) prime lenses that can AF with the camera." OTOH, for the amateur photographer, content with Nikon's AF-S consumer lenses (or the Sigma HSM lenses) the D40x is alright. 3. No depth of field preview. 4. No bracketing on exposure or white balance. 5. No battery grip option (this is a biggie, a vertical grip with a shutter release is a _very_ useful accessory even without the extra battery capability). Maybe someone will make one as an aftermarket accessory, as happened with the Nikon D70. Ansmann makes a battery grip for the D40x, but it lacks a shutter release, which makes it fairly worthless. Not that I would buy a D40x, but you are not exactly talking about features the average D40x would miss. Mirror lock-up, as if they would carry a tripod. Lens selection, as if 50mm is particularly useful for indoor sports. And the 70-200/2.8 is just one stop away. No DOF preview, even on Nikon's professional film bodies, you can't just rely on DOF preview. Who need bracketing? You need a grip for heavy lenses. But the typical D40x owner unlikely to spend serious money on lenses. If you do want to spend a couple of thousand or more on lenses, get a D200 or a D2X. -- That was it. Done. The faulty Monk was turned out into the desert where it could believe what it liked, including the idea that it had been hard done by. It was allowed to keep its horse, since horses were so cheap to make. -- Douglas Adams in Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency |
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Nikon maintains DSLR lead over Canon
SMS wrote:
Floyd L. Davidson wrote: And soon enough Canon will again release a flurry of new models, and the poll pendulum will swing the other way. And stay there until soon enough Nikon will again release ... Even though I'm a Canon user, I'm thrilled to see that Nikon has become a real player in D-SLRs. Canon was getting a bit too smug without any real competition. This competition, together with a handful of other players in the DSLR and P+S markets, is what brought digital equipment so far so fast, although the curve for improvements and new features has flattened markedly in the past several years. -- john mcwilliams |
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