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The disappearance of darkness
An interesting interview on Radio New Zealand this morning, with Robert
Burley: Toronto-based photographer whose book The Disappearance of Darkness: Photography at the End of the Analogue Era chronicles the rapid speed at which film and the huge factories that produced it have almost vanished. Link to MP3 file: http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn...burley-048.mp3 |
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On 7/05/2013 5:06 p.m., RichA wrote:
On May 6, 9:04 pm, Me wrote: An interesting interview on Radio New Zealand this morning, with Robert Burley: Toronto-based photographer whose book The Disappearance of Darkness: Photography at the End of the Analogue Era chronicles the rapid speed at which film and the huge factories that produced it have almost vanished. Link to MP3 file:http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn...ure_guest_-_ro... Film is destined for a small but enthusiastic audience of geeky niche players, just like vinyl. Now, vinyl though still a fraction of sales of CD's and electronic downloads is growing, but represents only about a $70M market in the U.S. Can the film producers (who would also have to offer processing or production of chemicals to do it) make a business of film, whats left of it and can they survive while film continues to fall further? Film is where vinyl was around 1985, still dying before its slow rise again. I think that was discussed in the podcast. It's relatively inexpensive to set up to press vinyl records. Not so to set up to produce and process photographic film (except monochrome). When the market was massive - there were only a few players in that game. |
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"RichA" wrote in message ... On May 6, 9:04 pm, Me wrote: An interesting interview on Radio New Zealand this morning, with Robert Burley: Toronto-based photographer whose book The Disappearance of Darkness: Photography at the End of the Analogue Era chronicles the rapid speed at which film and the huge factories that produced it have almost vanished. Link to MP3 file:http://podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn...ure_guest_-_ro... Film is destined for a small but enthusiastic audience of geeky niche players, just like vinyl. Now, vinyl though still a fraction of sales of CD's and electronic downloads is growing, but represents only about a $70M market in the U.S. Can the film producers (who would also have to offer processing or production of chemicals to do it) make a business of film, whats left of it and can they survive while film continues to fall further? Film is where vinyl was around 1985, still dying before its slow rise again. Fair analogy, however at least with a vinyl record you have something that is scarcely less convenient than a CD or download. Film on the other hand : - Is expensive to buy and process. The marginal cost of digital is nil. The results can't be seen at the time of filming (other than in hyper expensive 70mm movie cameras which video at the same time), but takes a while to come back - digital can be viewed immediately and distributed for free. Is limited to tens of shots per reel. You can get thousands on a micro SD card. IIRC the resolution of 35mm film is about 12Mp (the same as my phone). Current digital resolutions exceed this in a smaller form factor, so in future film cameras will be seen a big and cumbersome. There might be a bit of nostalgia for vinyl records and even some misplaces preference for valve amps, but I doubt many other than Kodak will mourn the passing of wet film. |
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On 8/05/2013 1:02 a.m., R. Mark Clayton wrote:
There might be a bit of nostalgia for vinyl records and even some misplaces preference for valve amps, but I doubt many other than Kodak will mourn the passing of wet film. Some of the preference for valve amps isn't misplaced. They're still the standard for some instrument amplification (guitars). There's also a parallel there with film/digital photography, as digital sond processing is used in sound-processing in so-called "modelling amps" (solid state) to replicate the "tone" (non-linear response) of valve amps. It's a bit like using a "velvia" filter in photoshop etc, to replicate the look of film. |
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In article , Me
wrote: There might be a bit of nostalgia for vinyl records and even some misplaces preference for valve amps, but I doubt many other than Kodak will mourn the passing of wet film. Some of the preference for valve amps isn't misplaced. They're still the standard for some instrument amplification (guitars). There's also a parallel there with film/digital photography, as digital sond processing is used in sound-processing in so-called "modelling amps" (solid state) to replicate the "tone" (non-linear response) of valve amps. It's a bit like using a "velvia" filter in photoshop etc, to replicate the look of film. add distortion for that 'warm tube sound'. add grain/noise for that 'film look'. increase saturation for velvia. those who want accuracy don't do either. |
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On 2013.05.07 16:25 , Me wrote:
On 8/05/2013 1:02 a.m., R. Mark Clayton wrote: There might be a bit of nostalgia for vinyl records and even some misplaces preference for valve amps, but I doubt many other than Kodak will mourn the passing of wet film. Some of the preference for valve amps isn't misplaced. They're still the standard for some instrument amplification (guitars). There's also a parallel there with film/digital photography, as digital sond processing is used in sound-processing in so-called "modelling amps" (solid state) to replicate the "tone" (non-linear response) of valve amps. It's a bit like using a "velvia" filter in photoshop etc, to replicate the look of film. The sole advantage tube amps have over transistors is the continuous smooth transition of -ve to +ve voltages through the signal range whereas transistors have a discontinuity near 0 volts (for both the "push" transistor (+ve side) and "pull" (-ve side) of the output in a class B amplifier). That discontinuity in transistor based circuits is audible to about 1/1000th of a percent of listeners. IOW, even "audiophiles" cough with the best trained ears would fail to pick it out in an ABX test. Anything related to the "tone" can be done in analog or digital circuits - more so in processing. -- "A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe." -Pierre Berton |
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In article , Alan Browne
wrote: The sole advantage tube amps have over transistors is the continuous smooth transition of -ve to +ve voltages through the signal range whereas transistors have a discontinuity near 0 volts (for both the "push" transistor (+ve side) and "pull" (-ve side) of the output in a class B amplifier). which can be done with a transistor amp but is almost never done. another factor is the characteristics of the distortion. tube amps are less harsh, but who runs their amps where they continually distort? under normal conditions, there is no difference that anyone can hear. That discontinuity in transistor based circuits is audible to about 1/1000th of a percent of listeners. IOW, even "audiophiles" cough with the best trained ears would fail to pick it out in an ABX test. probably less than that. Anything related to the "tone" can be done in analog or digital circuits - more so in processing. yep. |
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On 5/7/2013 4:36 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Me wrote: There might be a bit of nostalgia for vinyl records and even some misplaces preference for valve amps, but I doubt many other than Kodak will mourn the passing of wet film. Some of the preference for valve amps isn't misplaced. They're still the standard for some instrument amplification (guitars). There's also a parallel there with film/digital photography, as digital sond processing is used in sound-processing in so-called "modelling amps" (solid state) to replicate the "tone" (non-linear response) of valve amps. It's a bit like using a "velvia" filter in photoshop etc, to replicate the look of film. add distortion for that 'warm tube sound'. add grain/noise for that 'film look'. increase saturation for velvia. those who want accuracy don't do either. And those who want art, may do either, neither or both. they may also use tons of filters in any of millions of combinations. -- PeterN |
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On 5/7/2013 3:42 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
The sole advantage tube amps have over transistors is the continuous smooth transition of -ve to +ve voltages through the signal range whereas transistors have a discontinuity near 0 volts (for both the "push" transistor (+ve side) and "pull" (-ve side) of the output in a class B amplifier). That discontinuity in transistor based circuits is audible to about 1/1000th of a percent of listeners. Uh ... class A versus class B has NOTHING to do with tube versus solid state. Nothing. Zero. In either case NO modern circuit comes even close to class B. Doug McDonald |
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The disappearance of darkness
On 8/05/2013 8:51 a.m., nospam wrote:
another factor is the characteristics of the distortion. tube amps are less harsh, but who runs their amps where they continually distort? Many electric guitarists - it's probably the rule rather than the exception for other than acoustic, some jazz/blues, and slide guitar. There are a handful of guitarists who perform using solid state amps, and even then they're very particular about which SS amp - I think BB King is one, but there are a few others. |
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