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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:24:46 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote in : Allen wrote: [] On another subject--congratulations on either your wisdom or luck in not converting from XP to Vista. My old XP machine died right when my wife was in the middle of a big project and I didn't have time to special order a machine with XP, so I had to buy an off-the-shelf Vista box. There should be an investigation to determine just what the MS designers and programmers were smoking and/or inhaling when they produced Vista. I have been dealing with computers since 1954--analog, mainframe, minis, PCs--and I have never seen anything like Vista, except for Bob and Win ME. Allen What didn't work about Vista for you? I have it on a number of PCs here, and all seem to be working well, doing a variety of tasks. The two biggest problems with Vista: * Device drivers * Application compatibility Other big issues include: * High resource consumption * Poor performance of some common operations * Removal of XP features * User Account Control * Memory protection flaws * Poorer battery life * TPM (DRM) -- Best regards, John Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others |
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John Navas wrote:
[] The two biggest problems with Vista: * Device drivers Not been a problem here. It could have been in the first days after release a couple of years back, although again not here. * Application compatibility I think Nero version 6 is the only program I have which doesn't work, and there are free alternatives which do. Note that Nero 6 is a very old version. I haven't found another application which doesn't work, although one or two force the display to basic mode from areo mode. Other big issues include: * High resource consumption Vista needs a little more memory - perhaps 2-3GB - but actually makes better us of it than XP and feels faster in operation to me. The cost of disk and memory make it almost a non-issue these days. * Poor performance of some common operations File copying springs to mind, but I think that was fixed to a degree in SP1. It certainly hasn't been an issue for me. * Removal of XP features Yes, I think I found it more complex to change the icon for a file type. * User Account Control Optional. I find it helpful. * Memory protection flaws More details, please. * Poorer battery life Haven't done a comparison. * TPM (DRM) Hasn't been an issue for me. Please don't think I am suggesting that you should remove your Windows XP or even Windows 2000 if it works for you - I don't see Vista as an upgrade to XP. But having Vista on new PCs just isn't an issue for me today. Cheers, David |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:00:29 GMT, "Dudley Hanks"
wrote in NO84l.199$z%.29@edtnps82: Regarding symtoms, there's not much I can say. If I format the card in-camera and put it in a card reader (I currently use two different readers), the computer doesn't recognize the format. An error window pops up asking me if I want to format the card, so the operating system knows something is there, it just doesn't recognize the format. On the flip side, if I format the card in a reader attached to the computer, it will work just fine in the camera, for a short time. Then, the card fails, and neither the computer or the camera can do anything with the dead card. They won't reformat. But, as noted above, the computer knows a card is there; it just can't reformat it. Sorry, it's been a few months since the last card died, so I forget the exact error message I get if I try to reformat. It was pretty generic though, something like: Error accessing (writing to?) removable disk. Format halted..." I've only seen such problems with defective Flash memory. -- Best regards, John Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:30:00 GMT, "David J Taylor"
wrote in : Please don't think I am suggesting that you should remove your Windows XP or even Windows 2000 if it works for you - I don't see Vista as an upgrade to XP. But having Vista on new PCs just isn't an issue for me today. Since you're only concerned with your own experience, there's nothing more for me to say. For those issues where you feel you need more information, a Google search should quickly give you more information. -- Best regards, John Panasonic DMC-FZ8, DMC-FZ20, and several others |
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John Navas wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:30:00 GMT, "David J Taylor" wrote in : Please don't think I am suggesting that you should remove your Windows XP or even Windows 2000 if it works for you - I don't see Vista as an upgrade to XP. But having Vista on new PCs just isn't an issue for me today. Since you're only concerned with your own experience, there's nothing more for me to say. For those issues where you feel you need more information, a Google search should quickly give you more information. Thanks for your help on this, John. David |
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:00:29 GMT, Dudley Hanks wrote:
Regarding symtoms, there's not much I can say. If I format the card in-camera and put it in a card reader (I currently use two different readers), the computer doesn't recognize the format. An error window pops up asking me if I want to format the card, so the operating system knows something is there, it just doesn't recognize the format. Although you're using two card readers, they may both have similar incompatibilities. Several years ago when I got a newer type of xD card, my readers also reported the same errors. Several months later I saw an updated version of one of my readers in Staples, bought it and the cards suddenly became readable. How old are your card readers? On the flip side, if I format the card in a reader attached to the computer, it will work just fine in the camera, for a short time. Then, the card fails, and neither the computer or the camera can do anything with the dead card. They won't reformat. But, as noted above, the computer knows a card is there; it just can't reformat it. Sorry, it's been a few months since the last card died, so I forget the exact error message I get if I try to reformat. It was pretty generic though, something like: Error accessing (writing to?) removable disk. Format halted..." There are two things you can try if you still have those cards. Years ago I used Microsoft's DEBUG.EXE to write directly to floppies and hard drives, allowing boot records and partition tables to be wiped out or modified. This program is still supplied with XP (it's in my Windows\System32 directory. To start it create a DOS window and type "DEBUG" followed by the Enter key. It should load instantly and give you a "-" prompt. Now type "?" Enter and you'll see a list of DEBUG's commands. Note that "Q" Enter is used to quit/exit debug. Another thing you could try is the Control Panel's Administrative Tools. Double click "Computer Management" followed by Disk Management (in Storage). Maximize the window and you should see the flash card listed as one of the drives. Select it by clicking on the large portion on the right, not the left side. Then right click it and see if it offers a Delete Partition option. When I tried this with my SD card, the option was unavailable (grayed out). If you're lucky, this option may be available. If it is, delete the partition, recreate it, and then reformat it. If you reformat it with the computer, reformat it again in the camera before taking more pictures. If Disk Management won't allow you to delete the partition, there may be some free "disk" utilities that will. There are commercial apps that may work such as Partition Magic, and possibly System Commander which says that it can do partitioning for different OS's. But don't buy one unless someone that uses it can confirm that it'll work with flash cards in readers. Good, compatible readers, that is . . . |
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On 2008-12-23, John Navas wrote:
On Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:30:00 GMT, "David J Taylor" wrote in : Please don't think I am suggesting that you should remove your Windows XP or even Windows 2000 if it works for you - I don't see Vista as an upgrade to XP. But having Vista on new PCs just isn't an issue for me today. Since you're only concerned with your own experience, there's nothing more for me to say. For those issues where you feel you need more information, a Google search should quickly give you more information. Sounds familiar. Something about not wanting to objectively compare camera capabilities unless it's done at St.Francis Yacht Club springs to mind. -- savvo orig. invib. man |
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David J Taylor wrote:
Allen wrote: [] On another subject--congratulations on either your wisdom or luck in not converting from XP to Vista. My old XP machine died right when my wife was in the middle of a big project and I didn't have time to special order a machine with XP, so I had to buy an off-the-shelf Vista box. There should be an investigation to determine just what the MS designers and programmers were smoking and/or inhaling when they produced Vista. I have been dealing with computers since 1954--analog, mainframe, minis, PCs--and I have never seen anything like Vista, except for Bob and Win ME. Allen What didn't work about Vista for you? I have it on a number of PCs here, and all seem to be working well, doing a variety of tasks. Cheers, David Well, for a start: Totally non-intuitive, in many ways, compared to Win XP and 98. Too much "security" in home versions. I don't want to fool with admin rights. I have had to use the Restore feature perhaps 6 times since July; I never had to use it with XP. Right now, although everything seems to be in place for WMP, it won't run; to restore it, I'm told by many knowledgeable people that it is necessary to reinstall Vista, as there isn't a repair facility. These are a few of my issues; you can find tens of thousands of gripes in Google. And, if it's so damn good, why does MS keep extending XP support? As I said in my post, I've had 54 years of dealing with computers, and I've not seen anything to compare with it. A huge step backward for MS in my (and others') opinion. I've known and used IBM 1401 AL, 360/370 AL, Fortran, IBM PL/1, COBOL, IBM Series I with Waterloo OS, CPM, Wang Basic and close to a dozen other Basics, most versions of MS software for PCs, both DOS and Windows, also a little Pascal and a few 4GLs. I've been around the block a few times with computers. Allen |
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Allen wrote:
Vista vs. the rest? Well, for a start: Totally non-intuitive, in many ways, compared to Win XP and 98. Yes, I agree it's different. I've used it long enough now to find that there are quite a lot of aspects I like, but it's not without its learning curve. Did you find a similar problem moving from 98 to XP? Too much "security" in home versions. I don't want to fool with admin rights. Accepted, but I think that's a positive point. not a negative one. We'll have to agree to disagree here. I have had to use the Restore feature perhaps 6 times since July; I never had to use it with XP. That's more times than I would expect. Is that on the same hardware? Right now, although everything seems to be in place for WMP, it won't run; to restore it, I'm told by many knowledgeable people that it is necessary to reinstall Vista, as there isn't a repair facility. You must have tried the System File Checker? http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2231/..._file_checker/ I have also seen issues with WMP, but they have been caused by 3rd party software. Removing the bad software restores full function. These are a few of my issues; you can find tens of thousands of gripes in Google. And, if it's so damn good, why does MS keep extending XP support? As I said in my post, I've had 54 years of dealing with computers, and I've not seen anything to compare with it. A huge step backward for MS in my (and others') opinion. I've known and used IBM 1401 AL, 360/370 AL, Fortran, IBM PL/1, COBOL, IBM Series I with Waterloo OS, CPM, Wang Basic and close to a dozen other Basics, most versions of MS software for PCs, both DOS and Windows, also a little Pascal and a few 4GLs. I've been around the block a few times with computers. Allen Similar experience here, Allen, starting with building computers at school in the 1960s. It does seem that Vista hasn't been as successful as some might have hoped, but I do think that it doesn't deserve all the bad press it's had. Windows 7 will be based on Vista, I understand, so it will give folk a breathing space in UI changes, and perhaps allow some of the tardier software and hardware vendors chance to catch up. I suspect that had Vista simply been XP with the security enhancements, people would still have complained. Cheers, David |
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David J Taylor wrote:
Allen wrote: Vista vs. the rest? Well, for a start: Totally non-intuitive, in many ways, compared to Win XP and 98. Yes, I agree it's different. I've used it long enough now to find that there are quite a lot of aspects I like, but it's not without its learning curve. Did you find a similar problem moving from 98 to XP? Too much "security" in home versions. I don't want to fool with admin rights. Accepted, but I think that's a positive point. not a negative one. We'll have to agree to disagree here. I have had to use the Restore feature perhaps 6 times since July; I never had to use it with XP. That's more times than I would expect. Is that on the same hardware? Yes. Right now, although everything seems to be in place for WMP, it won't run; to restore it, I'm told by many knowledgeable people that it is necessary to reinstall Vista, as there isn't a repair facility. You must have tried the System File Checker? http://www.tech-recipes.com/rx/2231/..._file_checker/ Tried it. After a few minutes I went to Task Manager and got a "Not Responding" message for it. I have also seen issues with WMP, but they have been caused by 3rd party software. Removing the bad software restores full function. These are a few of my issues; you can find tens of thousands of gripes in Google. And, if it's so damn good, why does MS keep extending XP support? As I said in my post, I've had 54 years of dealing with computers, and I've not seen anything to compare with it. A huge step backward for MS in my (and others') opinion. I've known and used IBM 1401 AL, 360/370 AL, Fortran, IBM PL/1, COBOL, IBM Series I with Waterloo OS, CPM, Wang Basic and close to a dozen other Basics, most versions of MS software for PCs, both DOS and Windows, also a little Pascal and a few 4GLs. I've been around the block a few times with computers. Allen Similar experience here, Allen, starting with building computers at school in the 1960s. It does seem that Vista hasn't been as successful as some might have hoped, but I do think that it doesn't deserve all the bad press it's had. Windows 7 will be based on Vista, I understand, so it will give folk a breathing space in UI changes, and perhaps allow some of the tardier software and hardware vendors chance to catch up. I suspect that had Vista simply been XP with the security enhancements, people would still have complained. Cheers, David I think we'd better agree that Vista works for some, but there are huge numbers of people who hate it. It certainly is not MS's finest hour. They keep supporting XP and are rushing 7 through (perhaps too fast). That tells me something. |
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