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On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in , NotSure wrote: There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE. screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/ I consider The Pacific a "must see". Just fiction. -- Neil - reverse 'ra' and delete 'l'. |
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On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said:
On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in , NotSure wrote: There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE. screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/ I consider The Pacific a "must see". Just fiction. Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories of three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling of very real events. John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal life, besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the subsequent War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo Jima, the makers of the series created glamorized fabrication of the man. The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. He went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir could not be described as fiction or a glamorization of his experience. It was poorly adapted by the producers of "The Pacific." The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir, "Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great liberties with this. With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three men, and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction they were not deserving of. Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in 2001, they were not able to provide critical input. So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow". -- Regards, Savageduck |
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"Savageduck" wrote in message
news:2010070906085822503-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in , NotSure wrote: There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE. screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/ I consider The Pacific a "must see". Just fiction. Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories of three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling of very real events. John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal life, besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the subsequent War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo Jima, the makers of the series created glamorized fabrication of the man. The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. He went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir could not be described as fiction or a glamorization of his experience. It was poorly adapted by the producers of "The Pacific." The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir, "Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great liberties with this. With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three men, and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction they were not deserving of. Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in 2001, they were not able to provide critical input. So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow". I have met several who served on the Canal. None of them liked to talk abut it, except to make general statements such as: it was like being in hell. With the exception of one guy who had a terrible case of PTS, I could never get any of them to discus any specifics. The guy with PTS would, in the middle of a conversation, yell "duck there's a Jap behind you;" or talk about Jap balls being hung on trees as an example. There is nothing glamorous about war. -- Peter |
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On 2010-07-09 08:16:31 -0700, "Peter" said:
"Savageduck" wrote in message news:2010070906085822503-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in , NotSure wrote: There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE. screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/ I consider The Pacific a "must see". Just fiction. Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories of three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling of very real events. John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal life, besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the subsequent War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo Jima, the makers of the series created glamorized fabrication of the man. The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. He went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir could not be described as fiction or a glamorization of his experience. It was poorly adapted by the producers of "The Pacific." The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir, "Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great liberties with this. With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three men, and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction they were not deserving of. Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in 2001, they were not able to provide critical input. So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow". I have met several who served on the Canal. None of them liked to talk abut it, except to make general statements such as: it was like being in hell. With the exception of one guy who had a terrible case of PTS, I could never get any of them to discus any specifics. The guy with PTS would, in the middle of a conversation, yell "duck there's a Jap behind you;" or talk about Jap balls being hung on trees as an example. There is nothing glamorous about war. Agreed. My father flew P38's in New Guinea, which included the Bismark Archipelago, Rabaul, & Guadalcanal campaigns. On to Leyte and Linguyen in the Phillipines, then Okinawa. He had Lindbergh fly as his wingman on one long distance mission to Borneo. He flew escort for the Japanese negotiators and was part of the first tactical fighter group into Tokio. As a 20 year old pilot, he only told of his love of flying and the expectation that nothing would ever happen to him. He is 87 now and the few truly terrifying events are the ones which still haunt him, and he has only fully told me of those in recent years. http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechut...%20NG_P38f.jpg http://homepage.mac.com/lco/filechute/9thFS-Gusap-w.jpg As far as glamor of war goes, my little meditation in green put that to rest for me. -- Regards, Savageduck |
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On 7/9/2010 11:16 AM, Peter wrote:
"Savageduck" wrote in message news:2010070906085822503-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom... On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in , NotSure wrote: There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE. screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/ I consider The Pacific a "must see". Just fiction. Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories of three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling of very real events. John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal life, besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the subsequent War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo Jima, the makers of the series created glamorized fabrication of the man. The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. He went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir could not be described as fiction or a glamorization of his experience. It was poorly adapted by the producers of "The Pacific." The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir, "Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great liberties with this. With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three men, and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction they were not deserving of. Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in 2001, they were not able to provide critical input. So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow". I have met several who served on the Canal. None of them liked to talk abut it, except to make general statements such as: it was like being in hell. With the exception of one guy who had a terrible case of PTS, I could never get any of them to discus any specifics. The guy with PTS would, in the middle of a conversation, yell "duck there's a Jap behind you;" or talk about Jap balls being hung on trees as an example. There is nothing glamorous about war. My dad went all through the Pacific. Other than the gory details of dragging a Victory ship off the beach (he had pictures of that), he never talked about it much. The stories he did tell were generally short and humorous, sometimes darkly so. Islander, reporting: "I saw many Japs". Intelligence officer: "What did you do then." Islander: "I watched them." Officer: "That's all?" Islander: "Through sights of '03". Ensigns leaning on the rail: "I'm senior to you because I graduated on .. . ." Halsey, from somewhere far above: "Gentlemen, seniority among ensigns is like chastity among prostitutes". Gunnery sergeant, holding up the first M-1 carbine he ever saw by the muzzle with two fingers: "This would have been a mighty fine cavalry rifle, if Custer had had 'em he might have had a chance at the Little Big Horn." The amazing change in the demeanor of a recalcitrant Japanese when you shoved a Thompson in his face and cocked the bolt. And the battle between the tank and the D7 (D7 won). He had pictures of that too. I know he got torpedoed once and was somehow involved in a plane crash--he had hearing loss from the one and scars from the other, but he never gave any details of those. |
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On 7/9/2010 1:02 PM, John Navas wrote:
On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:51:58 -0500, in , Neil wrote: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in , wrote: There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE. screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/ I consider The Pacific a "must see". Just fiction. 24 Emmy nominations. "Frasier" had 37 Emmies--not nominations, _awards_. It was still just fiction. Based primarily on two memoirs of U.S. Marines, With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa by Eugene Sledge, and Helmet for My Pillow by Robert Leckie. "Based on" means that somebody looked at them and wrote a screenplay which may or may not have borne much resemblance to the original material. Authenticity was reportedly a major priority. Reported by who other than the PR flacks? |
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Savageduck wrote: On 2010-07-09 02:51:58 -0700, Neil said: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in , NotSure wrote: There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE. screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/ I consider The Pacific a "must see". Just fiction. Actually "The Pacific" was not fiction. It was a poorly adapted , over glamorized, and over produced. Some of the production was fictionalized. The basic source material was the documented stories of three marines, who were very real. In my opinion it was a poor telling of very real events. John Basilone was a marine sergeant who fought on Guadalcanal. His action of Guadalcanal was heroic, and he was fully deserving of the Medal of Honor he was awarded. So little is known of his personal life, besides the action for which he won his decoration, and the subsequent War bond campaign, his service record, and his death on Iwo Jima, the makers of the series created glamorized fabrication of the man. The big part the story was adapted from the war diaries of Eugene Sledge, and his memoir "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa". He suffered from what today would be termed PTSD or Post-traumatic Stress Disorder. He went on to be a professor of Biology. His memoir could not be described as fiction or a glamorization of his experience. It was poorly adapted by the producers of "The Pacific." The third contributor was Robert Leckie, who served on Guadalcanal and was invoved in all of the Marines Pacific campaigns until he was wounded on Peleliu. He too wrote an unglamorous and factual memoir, "Helmet for my Pillow". The producers of "The Pacific" took great liberties with this. With what HBO did with over glamorizing the stories of these three men, and their very real service in WWII, was to create a semi-fiction they were not deserving of. Since Basilone was killed on Iwo Jima, and Sledge, and Leckie died in 2001, they were not able to provide critical input. So I would hardly call "The Pacific" a must see. Rather read, "With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa" and "Helmet for my Pillow". It's good to have an idea where the name of "Basilone Road" came from. It serves the northwestern portion of Camp Pendleton, running across the hills from near the Santa Margarita river at Vandegrift Boulevard and ending in the area of Interstate Highway 5 and the Orange County line. The freeway exit signs are seen by everyone who travels that stretch of "5", and now at least one of them will recognize the tribute. -- Frank ess |
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On 2010-07-09 11:40:00 -0700, "J. Clarke" said:
On 7/9/2010 1:02 PM, John Navas wrote: On Fri, 09 Jul 2010 04:51:58 -0500, in , Neil wrote: On Thu, 08 Jul 2010 18:30:00 -0700, John Navas wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 2010 18:10:38 -0700 (PDT), in , wrote: There is a excellent 6 part documentary about the second world war which uses colourised archival footage... a real MUST SEE. screenshots: http://www-2.net/y23.stock.pictures/20100708-ww2doco/ I consider The Pacific a "must see". Just fiction. 24 Emmy nominations. "Frasier" had 37 Emmies--not nominations, _awards_. It was still just fiction. Based primarily on two memoirs of U.S. Marines, With the Old Breed: At Peleliu and Okinawa by Eugene Sledge, and Helmet for My Pillow by Robert Leckie. "Based on" means that somebody looked at them and wrote a screenplay which may or may not have borne much resemblance to the original material. Authenticity was reportedly a major priority. Reported by who other than the PR flacks? I agree "The Pacific" was an over produced, effects blown piece, which ruined what should have been an opportunity to pay tribute to a hero in John Basilone, and the fine documentation of the memoirs of Eugene Sledge and Robert Leckie. Unfortunately the three of them are dead, and were not able to act as advisors, or provide input as Stephen Ambrose and Dick Winters did for "Band of Brothers." The acting was OK, but any other Emmie nominations had to be based on misplaced sentimentality and technical/special effects. "The Pacific" was no "Band of Brothers." -- Regards, Savageduck |
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