B&H Photo has horrible customer service...

How much money is your time worth? Seems you've wasted more time
complaining about it than you're rebate is worth.

You've stated your facts and opinion, and received feedback from B&H.
You're either happy or unhappy about it, but it seems the matter is closed.

Why don't you leave everyone here alone and go out and use the camera
already?

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I'm sure that B&H wouldn't take action against Bozak. Anyone
following this
thread will, no doubt, be impressed by the level of service and
support
provided by B&H as evidenced by how many of us -- satisfied B&H
customers --
have spent our own time and energy defending B&H against Bozak's
accusations, and for no other reason than B&H is a company we
like,
trust
and respect. I suspect, in the long run, Bozak's campaign will
have
enhanced B&H's reputation even further, rather than hurt it.

yes, not responding to customers and when finally finding out
about the problem through usenet the best thing to do is make
a joke out of the problem...

As you've noted, Henry Posner from B&H reads this ng, and took note
of
this thread.

yes he did... and instead of responding to me first off he responded
to
people who said i lied about the situation...
did he tell the people who said i lied about the situation that i
hadnt???
no he went on to put smiley faces while answering their posts...

the truth apparently is not a consideration of yours...

On the contrary, the truth is a significant consideration. However, so
much
of what I hear from you is rude, abusive and contradictory that I'm not
inclined to give it much credit.

whether you want to give it credit or not doesnt mean what
ive said isnt the truth... nice to see youve made yourself the
arbiter of what is and is not true without knowing the facts...
the facts are still in the initial thread... was i rude in that post???
was i abusive??? was it filled with obscenities??? no it wasnt,
it was my opininon of their ****ty customer service...


You might want to consider that, regardless of what
others in this thread may have written, YOU got abusive and
insulting.

to people who were abusive and insulting and said that i lied about
the situation... correct...

Well, I've been neither abusive nor insulting, nor have I said you lied.
Yet your response to me is certainly crude and abusive.\

please, you have no less than a condescending tone and are basically
full of yourself...


I've followed this pretty much from the start and STILL cannot
figure
out exactly what happened, e.g. you keep saying that Panasonic
"cancelled" the rebate -- do you mean they cancelled it after your
purchase but before the March expiration date? The rebate form at
the
link someone else posted specifically provided that Panasonic could
do
that (incidently, I'm not convinced that Panasonic legally can do
so,
as the rebate is part of the consideration for the purchase, but
that's another thread altogether).

doesnt matter...

Of course it matters. First of all, your tone matters. I haven't seen
you
conduct yourself in a civil fashion. I've been civil to you, and I
don't
appreciate obscenities in return. Good grief -- where do you come from
that
you think this kind of language is appropriate in a civil discussion?

yes my tone mattered with B&H and even with them not responding
to this date ive been totally civil to them... as i said, i havent tried
to
even contact them anymore... six times was enough... the point was
to show how crappy there customer service is... people like yourself
have allowed me to expound on it far more than i had ever considered
to do so in the first place by being jerks about the matter... you guys
have turned something that would have probably been a ten thread
post into something 200+, not to mention B&H has yet to call me and
panasonic is not going to honor the rebate because B&H never got
the forms to me in time... unfortunately this is the actual problem...
all of the extra BS you want to put on it is fine with me...
just allows me to talk about it even more...

the effect was me trying to get B&H to respond through
phone calls and email... i did so in earnest without mocking them or
disrespecting them...

Sorry, I don't believe that. Perhaps you think you weren't
disrespectful,
but your standards for respect certainly don't coincide with my own.

what you believes doesnt matter... the truth does... i believe you are
an asshole... does that mean anything to you, does that somehow
change anything in life??? me believing you are an asshole has nothing
to do with how i corresponded to B&H... believe what you want,
the truth is what matters... if i had been an asshole and disrespectful
to B&H their so called customer service person would have made
that clear by now dont you think???


I don't speak for Henry Posner,
and I'm certainly not a mind reader, but is it possible that he (and
B&H) were sufficiently put-off by the vehemence, vindictiveness and,
I'm sorry, pettiness of your postings to prefer to simply not deal
with you?

please show where i was any of this to B&H... you cant and wont be
able too...

I asked you to consider a possibility. I have no idea what you were
like in
your transactions with B&H. I only know what you are like here.

and now we come to the payoff... you dont know... youre just flapping
your gums and like the morons in here who said i lied about the situation
until now you were talking about what you thought and not what you
know...

you dont like me as a person

I don't know anything about you and neither like nor dislike you. You
give
yourself far too much credit -- you're nothing but a Usenet diversion to
me.

then obviously its a diversion you dont like... same thing...


and i could give a **** less about
that...

And that is a perfect example of what I mean. I don't take you
seriously.
No one will take you seriously. Learn to express yourself clearly and
thoughtfully without sounding like gutter trash and perhaps B&H will
take
you seriously.

and this is exactly what the **** i mean... one has nothing to do with
the other... one of these days you will figure that out... well, maybe
not...

the problem is that their customer service as i said was horrible...
instead of responding to me in this thread he responded to other who
said i was lying about the issue...

If I were B&H customer service and spoke to me the way you've
communicated
with me in your post, I would have hung up on you.

please... i never got to speak to a B&H customer service person...
how many ****ing times do i have to say that before the morons
can figure it out... ive only said that now about 30 times in this thread
and MORONS keep saying the same stoooooopid ****...

i know, you have a lot more patience with morons than i do,
congrats...

so, can you know figure out that it doesnt matter whether or not
you would have hung up on me or not??? i never had the opportunity...
and before you step on your dick and say my email to them was nasty
i already posted the second of three emails in here and you can see the
response from the guy who passed the buck...


apparently in your mind that is good customer service...

As I've said repeatedly, B&H gives me excellent customer service, and
I've
bought from them many, many times. Perhaps you'll consider how I write,
and
how you write, and ask yourself if the difference might account for our
opposing perceptions.

you cant write any better than me and i can be just as fake and
condescending as you when i want...


Yes, they've lost your business. From what I've read, they
haven't lost anyone else's and, given the voluminous number of
endorsements from people like myself, they'll probably gain far more
than they've lost.

then you havent read other posters or you are dishonest...

I'm not dishonest, and I've read the entire thread.

if youve read the entire thread then youve just accused yourself
of being a moron, or not having the capability to remember anything...
try reading this post over and look at the contradictory things you
have said... if you have read the entire thread than either you are
incapable of comprehending what you read or your memory is
shot... take for instance i just had to tell you again that ive never
talked to anybody at B&H yet you said if you talked to me
you would have hung up on me... get your facts straight...


See, unlike you, a
spend quite a bit of time here, and in rec.video.production. B&H is
discussed a lot, and always positively.

good for you... not this time... there were three other people
who said theyve had crappy customer service with them too...
not only that i posted three comments from people at resseller.com
that said basically that the company now is not the same as it
use to be... all of the very satisfied comments came from people
who got their stuff and that was it... the dissatisfied comments came
from people who had to interact with their customer service
department... coincidence??? i think not...


You're new around here, and the sum
total of your contributions have been a single question about a camera
and
an unrelenting tirade against a well-respected and admired vendor.

which you and many others have participated in...
i could not have done it without you...
thanx...

You call
names. You pepper your responses with obscenities. You STILL have not
given a sufficient account of what happened for me to determine whether
B&H
was at fault (and that's what I do for a living).

yep ive called morons morons... boo ****ing hoo...
it seems you are the only person in this whole thread who has said i
havent given a sufficient account... not even henry has said that...
since you like to play this kind of game, who is wrong??? you, or
everybody
else???


When I have complaints with vendors, I write a brief, reasoned and
civil letter explaining the problem. 99% of the time, that's enough
to take care of it.

which is what i did three times and got no response...

And, again, I'm sorry but I cannot credit this.

it doesnt matter what you can or cannot credit...
i did so and thats the truth... apparently you figure you are
some kind of psych or a mind reader...
you are ASSuming... stop it, youve already made an ass out
of yourself...


As you've pointed out, I
know nothing whatsoever about your interaction with B&H.

yet you keep on ASSuming...

All I know about
you is what I have gleaned from your posts here. Nothing you've written
suggests that you're capable of civil and reasonable discussion.

really... i can show you at least 30 posts in this thread where i have had
civil and reasonable discussion... either you didnt read them, you are
a moron, or just a liar... which is it???



yeah a lot of people are looking for that type of customer
service in a company...

As you've been repeatedly told, including by me, most of us who
posted
to this thread have made repeated purchases from B&H, spending,
individually, thousands and thousands of dollars, and have been very
happy with the customer service we've received. So, yes, the
customer
service that _I've_ personally experienced, which is nothing like
what
you've described, is the type of customer service that I'm looking
for
in a company. Out of curiosity, have you wondered why the
experiences
recited, first person, here in this ng with B&H are so different
from
your own?

i sure have... but then their numbers are down at reseller.com and i
can
pretty much figure out on my own why that is...

Well, don't hold your breath -- B&H won't be having fire sale any time
soon.

so that discounts their numbers being down at reseller.com???
you are nothing more than a B&H apologist or cultist...
in your eyes they can do no wrong... but its funny you didnt take to
the others in this thread that said they had crappy customer service
you just wanted to deal with me because you dont like how i
express myself... i express myself like this to use people like you
to get my point across... been doing it for years... their is nothing
better
than trolling with the truth... as long as you tell the truth no matter
what
you cant dissed... the truth is what it is... you just dont like how i
exposed the truth...

but after trying to get a company to respond to me 6 times and
missing out on a rebate, i just decided to let the truth about the
company out... its not my fault that they have a crappy customer
service department... is it me just saying that, or are people who
rate them at reseller.com saying the same thing???



well, probably you and the moron known as dan sullivan...

And enough other people to make B&H one of the largest and most
successful, if not THE largest and most successful, photo equipment
retailers in the world. Who's right here? You, or everyone else?

i am right... who was right in germany, hitler or the jews he was
torching...

Okay, I guess it's time to invoke Godwin's law.

Talk about a non sequitur.

no talk about an analogy... what you are saying is that if everybody
says someone is wrong, then somebody must be wrong...
its a stooopid way of thinking... independent thought matters more
to me than what the gang thinks... i will take one brilliant persons
thoughts over a hundred morons any day of the week...

not only that, ive used your same weak logic against you in
this very post...

use that type of logice if you want, it doesnt mean **** to
me or anybody else operating on more than half a brain cell...

Well you're quite right about the first part -- I don't think anything
anyone says to you hear will mean the slightest thing to you. So why do
you
persist?

because i am right, B&H Photo's customer service did me a disservice
and i applaud your efforts to allow me to keep pointing this out...
esspecially the part about you not really knowing what youre talking
about from one paragraph to the next...



Incidently, Dan Sullivan may be many things (he's got a good wit and
he's very articulate). He also may not like you. However, I
haven't
seen anything to suggest he's a moron.

and i have seen everything that suggests he is... from lying about the
situation to continuously acting like a retard...

"Acting like a retard"? What are you? A junior high school student?
Who
talks like that?

somebody who knows somebody is acting like a retard er special er
limited capabilities er autistic er etc... hopefully one of those will be
to your liking...

"generic eric" wrote in message
. ..
How much money is your time worth? Seems you've wasted more time
complaining about it than you're rebate is worth.

You've stated your facts and opinion, and received feedback from B&H.
You're either happy or unhappy about it, but it seems the matter is closed.

Why don't you leave everyone here alone and go out and use the camera
already?

another person with not a clue about what he is talking about...
camera huh???

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I'm sure that B&H wouldn't take action against Bozak. Anyone
following this
thread will, no doubt, be impressed by the level of service and
support
provided by B&H as evidenced by how many of us -- satisfied B&H
customers --
have spent our own time and energy defending B&H against Bozak's
accusations, and for no other reason than B&H is a company we
like,
trust
and respect. I suspect, in the long run, Bozak's campaign will
have
enhanced B&H's reputation even further, rather than hurt it.

yes, not responding to customers and when finally finding out
about the problem through usenet the best thing to do is make
a joke out of the problem...

As you've noted, Henry Posner from B&H reads this ng, and took note
of
this thread.

yes he did... and instead of responding to me first off he responded
to
people who said i lied about the situation...
did he tell the people who said i lied about the situation that i
hadnt???
no he went on to put smiley faces while answering their posts...

the truth apparently is not a consideration of yours...

On the contrary, the truth is a significant consideration. However, so
much
of what I hear from you is rude, abusive and contradictory that I'm not
inclined to give it much credit.

whether you want to give it credit or not doesnt mean what
ive said isnt the truth... nice to see youve made yourself the
arbiter of what is and is not true without knowing the facts...
the facts are still in the initial thread... was i rude in that post???
was i abusive??? was it filled with obscenities??? no it wasnt,
it was my opininon of their ****ty customer service...


You might want to consider that, regardless of what
others in this thread may have written, YOU got abusive and
insulting.

to people who were abusive and insulting and said that i lied about
the situation... correct...

Well, I've been neither abusive nor insulting, nor have I said you lied.
Yet your response to me is certainly crude and abusive.\

please, you have no less than a condescending tone and are basically
full of yourself...


I've followed this pretty much from the start and STILL cannot
figure
out exactly what happened, e.g. you keep saying that Panasonic
"cancelled" the rebate -- do you mean they cancelled it after your
purchase but before the March expiration date? The rebate form at
the
link someone else posted specifically provided that Panasonic could
do
that (incidently, I'm not convinced that Panasonic legally can do
so,
as the rebate is part of the consideration for the purchase, but
that's another thread altogether).

doesnt matter...

Of course it matters. First of all, your tone matters. I haven't seen
you
conduct yourself in a civil fashion. I've been civil to you, and I
don't
appreciate obscenities in return. Good grief -- where do you come from
that
you think this kind of language is appropriate in a civil discussion?

yes my tone mattered with B&H and even with them not responding
to this date ive been totally civil to them... as i said, i havent tried
to
even contact them anymore... six times was enough... the point was
to show how crappy there customer service is... people like yourself
have allowed me to expound on it far more than i had ever considered
to do so in the first place by being jerks about the matter... you guys
have turned something that would have probably been a ten thread
post into something 200+, not to mention B&H has yet to call me and
panasonic is not going to honor the rebate because B&H never got
the forms to me in time... unfortunately this is the actual problem...
all of the extra BS you want to put on it is fine with me...
just allows me to talk about it even more...

the effect was me trying to get B&H to respond through
phone calls and email... i did so in earnest without mocking them or
disrespecting them...

Sorry, I don't believe that. Perhaps you think you weren't
disrespectful,
but your standards for respect certainly don't coincide with my own.

what you believes doesnt matter... the truth does... i believe you are
an asshole... does that mean anything to you, does that somehow
change anything in life??? me believing you are an asshole has nothing
to do with how i corresponded to B&H... believe what you want,
the truth is what matters... if i had been an asshole and disrespectful
to B&H their so called customer service person would have made
that clear by now dont you think???


I don't speak for Henry Posner,
and I'm certainly not a mind reader, but is it possible that he (and
B&H) were sufficiently put-off by the vehemence, vindictiveness and,
I'm sorry, pettiness of your postings to prefer to simply not deal
with you?

please show where i was any of this to B&H... you cant and wont be
able too...

I asked you to consider a possibility. I have no idea what you were
like in
your transactions with B&H. I only know what you are like here.

and now we come to the payoff... you dont know... youre just flapping
your gums and like the morons in here who said i lied about the situation
until now you were talking about what you thought and not what you
know...

you dont like me as a person

I don't know anything about you and neither like nor dislike you. You
give
yourself far too much credit -- you're nothing but a Usenet diversion to
me.

then obviously its a diversion you dont like... same thing...


and i could give a **** less about
that...

And that is a perfect example of what I mean. I don't take you
seriously.
No one will take you seriously. Learn to express yourself clearly and
thoughtfully without sounding like gutter trash and perhaps B&H will
take
you seriously.

and this is exactly what the **** i mean... one has nothing to do with
the other... one of these days you will figure that out... well, maybe
not...

the problem is that their customer service as i said was horrible...
instead of responding to me in this thread he responded to other who
said i was lying about the issue...

If I were B&H customer service and spoke to me the way you've
communicated
with me in your post, I would have hung up on you.

please... i never got to speak to a B&H customer service person...
how many ****ing times do i have to say that before the morons
can figure it out... ive only said that now about 30 times in this thread
and MORONS keep saying the same stoooooopid ****...

i know, you have a lot more patience with morons than i do,
congrats...

so, can you know figure out that it doesnt matter whether or not
you would have hung up on me or not??? i never had the opportunity...
and before you step on your dick and say my email to them was nasty
i already posted the second of three emails in here and you can see the
response from the guy who passed the buck...


apparently in your mind that is good customer service...

As I've said repeatedly, B&H gives me excellent customer service, and
I've
bought from them many, many times. Perhaps you'll consider how I write,
and
how you write, and ask yourself if the difference might account for our
opposing perceptions.

you cant write any better than me and i can be just as fake and
condescending as you when i want...


Yes, they've lost your business. From what I've read, they
haven't lost anyone else's and, given the voluminous number of
endorsements from people like myself, they'll probably gain far more
than they've lost.

then you havent read other posters or you are dishonest...

I'm not dishonest, and I've read the entire thread.

if youve read the entire thread then youve just accused yourself
of being a moron, or not having the capability to remember anything...
try reading this post over and look at the contradictory things you
have said... if you have read the entire thread than either you are
incapable of comprehending what you read or your memory is
shot... take for instance i just had to tell you again that ive never
talked to anybody at B&H yet you said if you talked to me
you would have hung up on me... get your facts straight...


See, unlike you, a
spend quite a bit of time here, and in rec.video.production. B&H is
discussed a lot, and always positively.

good for you... not this time... there were three other people
who said theyve had crappy customer service with them too...
not only that i posted three comments from people at resseller.com
that said basically that the company now is not the same as it
use to be... all of the very satisfied comments came from people
who got their stuff and that was it... the dissatisfied comments came
from people who had to interact with their customer service
department... coincidence??? i think not...


You're new around here, and the sum
total of your contributions have been a single question about a camera
and
an unrelenting tirade against a well-respected and admired vendor.

which you and many others have participated in...
i could not have done it without you...
thanx...

You call
names. You pepper your responses with obscenities. You STILL have not
given a sufficient account of what happened for me to determine whether
B&H
was at fault (and that's what I do for a living).

yep ive called morons morons... boo ****ing hoo...
it seems you are the only person in this whole thread who has said i
havent given a sufficient account... not even henry has said that...
since you like to play this kind of game, who is wrong??? you, or
everybody
else???


When I have complaints with vendors, I write a brief, reasoned and
civil letter explaining the problem. 99% of the time, that's enough
to take care of it.

which is what i did three times and got no response...

And, again, I'm sorry but I cannot credit this.

it doesnt matter what you can or cannot credit...
i did so and thats the truth... apparently you figure you are
some kind of psych or a mind reader...
you are ASSuming... stop it, youve already made an ass out
of yourself...


As you've pointed out, I
know nothing whatsoever about your interaction with B&H.

yet you keep on ASSuming...

All I know about
you is what I have gleaned from your posts here. Nothing you've written
suggests that you're capable of civil and reasonable discussion.

really... i can show you at least 30 posts in this thread where i have had
civil and reasonable discussion... either you didnt read them, you are
a moron, or just a liar... which is it???



yeah a lot of people are looking for that type of customer
service in a company...

As you've been repeatedly told, including by me, most of us who
posted
to this thread have made repeated purchases from B&H, spending,
individually, thousands and thousands of dollars, and have been very
happy with the customer service we've received. So, yes, the
customer
service that _I've_ personally experienced, which is nothing like
what
you've described, is the type of customer service that I'm looking
for
in a company. Out of curiosity, have you wondered why the
experiences
recited, first person, here in this ng with B&H are so different
from
your own?

i sure have... but then their numbers are down at reseller.com and i
can
pretty much figure out on my own why that is...

Well, don't hold your breath -- B&H won't be having fire sale any time
soon.

so that discounts their numbers being down at reseller.com???
you are nothing more than a B&H apologist or cultist...
in your eyes they can do no wrong... but its funny you didnt take to
the others in this thread that said they had crappy customer service
you just wanted to deal with me because you dont like how i
express myself... i express myself like this to use people like you
to get my point across... been doing it for years... their is nothing
better
than trolling with the truth... as long as you tell the truth no matter
what
you cant dissed... the truth is what it is... you just dont like how i
exposed the truth...

but after trying to get a company to respond to me 6 times and
missing out on a rebate, i just decided to let the truth about the
company out... its not my fault that they have a crappy customer
service department... is it me just saying that, or are people who
rate them at reseller.com saying the same thing???



well, probably you and the moron known as dan sullivan...

And enough other people to make B&H one of the largest and most
successful, if not THE largest and most successful, photo equipment
retailers in the world. Who's right here? You, or everyone else?

i am right... who was right in germany, hitler or the jews he was
torching...

Okay, I guess it's time to invoke Godwin's law.

Talk about a non sequitur.

no talk about an analogy... what you are saying is that if everybody
says someone is wrong, then somebody must be wrong...
its a stooopid way of thinking... independent thought matters more
to me than what the gang thinks... i will take one brilliant persons
thoughts over a hundred morons any day of the week...

not only that, ive used your same weak logic against you in
this very post...

use that type of logice if you want, it doesnt mean **** to
me or anybody else operating on more than half a brain cell...

Well you're quite right about the first part -- I don't think anything
anyone says to you hear will mean the slightest thing to you. So why do
you
persist?

because i am right, B&H Photo's customer service did me a disservice
and i applaud your efforts to allow me to keep pointing this out...
esspecially the part about you not really knowing what youre talking
about from one paragraph to the next...



Incidently, Dan Sullivan may be many things (he's got a good wit and
he's very articulate). He also may not like you. However, I
haven't
seen anything to suggest he's a moron.

and i have seen everything that suggests he is... from lying about the
situation to continuously acting like a retard...

"Acting like a retard"? What are you? A junior high school student?
Who
talks like that?

somebody who knows somebody is acting like a retard er special er
limited capabilities er autistic er etc... hopefully one of those will be
to your liking...

congratulations. your consecutive streak of getting the last word in is
unbroken.

Jackass.

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"generic eric" wrote in message
. ..
How much money is your time worth? Seems you've wasted more time
complaining about it than you're rebate is worth.

You've stated your facts and opinion, and received feedback from B&H.
You're either happy or unhappy about it, but it seems the matter is
closed.

Why don't you leave everyone here alone and go out and use the camera
already?

another person with not a clue about what he is talking about...
camera huh???

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
om...

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
om...
(bozak) wrote in message
. com...
"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
...

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I'm sure that B&H wouldn't take action against Bozak.
Anyone
following this
thread will, no doubt, be impressed by the level of service
and
support
provided by B&H as evidenced by how many of us -- satisfied
B&H
customers --
have spent our own time and energy defending B&H against
Bozak's
accusations, and for no other reason than B&H is a company
we
like,
trust
and respect. I suspect, in the long run, Bozak's campaign
will
have
enhanced B&H's reputation even further, rather than hurt it.

yes, not responding to customers and when finally finding out
about the problem through usenet the best thing to do is make
a joke out of the problem...

As you've noted, Henry Posner from B&H reads this ng, and took
note
of
this thread.

yes he did... and instead of responding to me first off he
responded
to
people who said i lied about the situation...
did he tell the people who said i lied about the situation that i
hadnt???
no he went on to put smiley faces while answering their posts...

the truth apparently is not a consideration of yours...

On the contrary, the truth is a significant consideration. However,
so
much
of what I hear from you is rude, abusive and contradictory that I'm
not
inclined to give it much credit.

whether you want to give it credit or not doesnt mean what
ive said isnt the truth... nice to see youve made yourself the
arbiter of what is and is not true without knowing the facts...
the facts are still in the initial thread... was i rude in that
post???
was i abusive??? was it filled with obscenities??? no it wasnt,
it was my opininon of their ****ty customer service...


You might want to consider that, regardless of what
others in this thread may have written, YOU got abusive and
insulting.

to people who were abusive and insulting and said that i lied
about
the situation... correct...

Well, I've been neither abusive nor insulting, nor have I said you
lied.
Yet your response to me is certainly crude and abusive.\

please, you have no less than a condescending tone and are basically
full of yourself...


I've followed this pretty much from the start and STILL cannot
figure
out exactly what happened, e.g. you keep saying that Panasonic
"cancelled" the rebate -- do you mean they cancelled it after
your
purchase but before the March expiration date? The rebate form
at
the
link someone else posted specifically provided that Panasonic
could
do
that (incidently, I'm not convinced that Panasonic legally can
do
so,
as the rebate is part of the consideration for the purchase, but
that's another thread altogether).

doesnt matter...

Of course it matters. First of all, your tone matters. I haven't
seen
you
conduct yourself in a civil fashion. I've been civil to you, and I
don't
appreciate obscenities in return. Good grief -- where do you come
from
that
you think this kind of language is appropriate in a civil
discussion?

yes my tone mattered with B&H and even with them not responding
to this date ive been totally civil to them... as i said, i havent
tried
to
even contact them anymore... six times was enough... the point was
to show how crappy there customer service is... people like yourself
have allowed me to expound on it far more than i had ever considered
to do so in the first place by being jerks about the matter... you
guys
have turned something that would have probably been a ten thread
post into something 200+, not to mention B&H has yet to call me and
panasonic is not going to honor the rebate because B&H never got
the forms to me in time... unfortunately this is the actual problem...
all of the extra BS you want to put on it is fine with me...
just allows me to talk about it even more...

the effect was me trying to get B&H to respond through
phone calls and email... i did so in earnest without mocking them
or
disrespecting them...

Sorry, I don't believe that. Perhaps you think you weren't
disrespectful,
but your standards for respect certainly don't coincide with my own.

what you believes doesnt matter... the truth does... i believe you are
an asshole... does that mean anything to you, does that somehow
change anything in life??? me believing you are an asshole has nothing
to do with how i corresponded to B&H... believe what you want,
the truth is what matters... if i had been an asshole and
disrespectful
to B&H their so called customer service person would have made
that clear by now dont you think???


I don't speak for Henry Posner,
and I'm certainly not a mind reader, but is it possible that he
(and
B&H) were sufficiently put-off by the vehemence, vindictiveness
and,
I'm sorry, pettiness of your postings to prefer to simply not
deal
with you?

please show where i was any of this to B&H... you cant and wont be
able too...

I asked you to consider a possibility. I have no idea what you were
like in
your transactions with B&H. I only know what you are like here.

and now we come to the payoff... you dont know... youre just flapping
your gums and like the morons in here who said i lied about the
situation
until now you were talking about what you thought and not what you
know...

you dont like me as a person

I don't know anything about you and neither like nor dislike you.
You
give
yourself far too much credit -- you're nothing but a Usenet
diversion to
me.

then obviously its a diversion you dont like... same thing...


and i could give a **** less about
that...

And that is a perfect example of what I mean. I don't take you
seriously.
No one will take you seriously. Learn to express yourself clearly
and
thoughtfully without sounding like gutter trash and perhaps B&H will
take
you seriously.

and this is exactly what the **** i mean... one has nothing to do with
the other... one of these days you will figure that out... well, maybe
not...

the problem is that their customer service as i said was
horrible...
instead of responding to me in this thread he responded to other
who
said i was lying about the issue...

If I were B&H customer service and spoke to me the way you've
communicated
with me in your post, I would have hung up on you.

please... i never got to speak to a B&H customer service person...
how many ****ing times do i have to say that before the morons
can figure it out... ive only said that now about 30 times in this
thread
and MORONS keep saying the same stoooooopid ****...

i know, you have a lot more patience with morons than i do,
congrats...

so, can you know figure out that it doesnt matter whether or not
you would have hung up on me or not??? i never had the opportunity...
and before you step on your dick and say my email to them was nasty
i already posted the second of three emails in here and you can see
the
response from the guy who passed the buck...


apparently in your mind that is good customer service...

As I've said repeatedly, B&H gives me excellent customer service,
and
I've
bought from them many, many times. Perhaps you'll consider how I
write,
and
how you write, and ask yourself if the difference might account for
our
opposing perceptions.

you cant write any better than me and i can be just as fake and
condescending as you when i want...


Yes, they've lost your business. From what I've read, they
haven't lost anyone else's and, given the voluminous number of
endorsements from people like myself, they'll probably gain far
more
than they've lost.

then you havent read other posters or you are dishonest...

I'm not dishonest, and I've read the entire thread.

if youve read the entire thread then youve just accused yourself
of being a moron, or not having the capability to remember anything...
try reading this post over and look at the contradictory things you
have said... if you have read the entire thread than either you are
incapable of comprehending what you read or your memory is
shot... take for instance i just had to tell you again that ive never
talked to anybody at B&H yet you said if you talked to me
you would have hung up on me... get your facts straight...


See, unlike you, a
spend quite a bit of time here, and in rec.video.production. B&H is
discussed a lot, and always positively.

good for you... not this time... there were three other people
who said theyve had crappy customer service with them too...
not only that i posted three comments from people at resseller.com
that said basically that the company now is not the same as it
use to be... all of the very satisfied comments came from people
who got their stuff and that was it... the dissatisfied comments came
from people who had to interact with their customer service
department... coincidence??? i think not...


You're new around here, and the sum
total of your contributions have been a single question about a
camera
and
an unrelenting tirade against a well-respected and admired vendor.

which you and many others have participated in...
i could not have done it without you...
thanx...

You call
names. You pepper your responses with obscenities. You STILL have
not
given a sufficient account of what happened for me to determine
whether
B&H
was at fault (and that's what I do for a living).

yep ive called morons morons... boo ****ing hoo...
it seems you are the only person in this whole thread who has said i
havent given a sufficient account... not even henry has said that...
since you like to play this kind of game, who is wrong??? you, or
everybody
else???


When I have complaints with vendors, I write a brief, reasoned
and
civil letter explaining the problem. 99% of the time, that's
enough
to take care of it.

which is what i did three times and got no response...

And, again, I'm sorry but I cannot credit this.

it doesnt matter what you can or cannot credit...
i did so and thats the truth... apparently you figure you are
some kind of psych or a mind reader...
you are ASSuming... stop it, youve already made an ass out
of yourself...


As you've pointed out, I
know nothing whatsoever about your interaction with B&H.

yet you keep on ASSuming...

All I know about
you is what I have gleaned from your posts here. Nothing you've
written
suggests that you're capable of civil and reasonable discussion.

really... i can show you at least 30 posts in this thread where i have
had
civil and reasonable discussion... either you didnt read them, you are
a moron, or just a liar... which is it???



yeah a lot of people are looking for that type of customer
service in a company...

As you've been repeatedly told, including by me, most of us who
posted
to this thread have made repeated purchases from B&H, spending,
individually, thousands and thousands of dollars, and have been
very
happy with the customer service we've received. So, yes, the
customer
service that _I've_ personally experienced, which is nothing
like
what
you've described, is the type of customer service that I'm
looking
for
in a company. Out of curiosity, have you wondered why the
experiences
recited, first person, here in this ng with B&H are so different
from
your own?

i sure have... but then their numbers are down at reseller.com and
i
can
pretty much figure out on my own why that is...

Well, don't hold your breath -- B&H won't be having fire sale any
time
soon.

so that discounts their numbers being down at reseller.com???
you are nothing more than a B&H apologist or cultist...
in your eyes they can do no wrong... but its funny you didnt take to
the others in this thread that said they had crappy customer service
you just wanted to deal with me because you dont like how i
express myself... i express myself like this to use people like you
to get my point across... been doing it for years... their is nothing
better
than trolling with the truth... as long as you tell the truth no
matter
what
you cant dissed... the truth is what it is... you just dont like how i
exposed the truth...

but after trying to get a company to respond to me 6 times and
missing out on a rebate, i just decided to let the truth about the
company out... its not my fault that they have a crappy customer
service department... is it me just saying that, or are people who
rate them at reseller.com saying the same thing???



well, probably you and the moron known as dan sullivan...

And enough other people to make B&H one of the largest and most
successful, if not THE largest and most successful, photo
equipment
retailers in the world. Who's right here? You, or everyone
else?

i am right... who was right in germany, hitler or the jews he was
torching...

Okay, I guess it's time to invoke Godwin's law.

Talk about a non sequitur.

no talk about an analogy... what you are saying is that if everybody
says someone is wrong, then somebody must be wrong...
its a stooopid way of thinking... independent thought matters more
to me than what the gang thinks... i will take one brilliant persons
thoughts over a hundred morons any day of the week...

not only that, ive used your same weak logic against you in
this very post...

use that type of logice if you want, it doesnt mean **** to
me or anybody else operating on more than half a brain cell...

Well you're quite right about the first part -- I don't think
anything
anyone says to you hear will mean the slightest thing to you. So
why do
you
persist?

because i am right, B&H Photo's customer service did me a disservice
and i applaud your efforts to allow me to keep pointing this out...
esspecially the part about you not really knowing what youre talking
about from one paragraph to the next...



Incidently, Dan Sullivan may be many things (he's got a good wit
and
he's very articulate). He also may not like you. However, I
haven't
seen anything to suggest he's a moron.

and i have seen everything that suggests he is... from lying about
the
situation to continuously acting like a retard...

"Acting like a retard"? What are you? A junior high school
student?
Who
talks like that?

somebody who knows somebody is acting like a retard er special er
limited capabilities er autistic er etc... hopefully one of those will
be
to your liking...

"generic eric" wrote in message . ..
congratulations. your consecutive streak of getting the last word in is
unbroken.

Jackass.

classic... another moron who doesnt like having it pointed out that he
doesnt have a ****ing clue about what he is talking about...

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"generic eric" wrote in message
. ..
How much money is your time worth? Seems you've wasted more time
complaining about it than you're rebate is worth.

You've stated your facts and opinion, and received feedback from B&H.
You're either happy or unhappy about it, but it seems the matter is
closed.

Why don't you leave everyone here alone and go out and use the camera
already?

another person with not a clue about what he is talking about...
camera huh???

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
om...

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
om...
(bozak) wrote in message
. com...
"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
...

snip

I'm sure that B&H wouldn't take action against Bozak.
Anyone
following this
thread will, no doubt, be impressed by the level of service
and
support
provided by B&H as evidenced by how many of us -- satisfied
B&H
customers --
have spent our own time and energy defending B&H against
Bozak's
accusations, and for no other reason than B&H is a company
we
like,
trust
and respect. I suspect, in the long run, Bozak's campaign
will
have
enhanced B&H's reputation even further, rather than hurt it.

yes, not responding to customers and when finally finding out
about the problem through usenet the best thing to do is make
a joke out of the problem...

As you've noted, Henry Posner from B&H reads this ng, and took
note
of
this thread.

yes he did... and instead of responding to me first off he
responded
to
people who said i lied about the situation...
did he tell the people who said i lied about the situation that i
hadnt???
no he went on to put smiley faces while answering their posts...

the truth apparently is not a consideration of yours...

On the contrary, the truth is a significant consideration. However,
so
much
of what I hear from you is rude, abusive and contradictory that I'm
not
inclined to give it much credit.

whether you want to give it credit or not doesnt mean what
ive said isnt the truth... nice to see youve made yourself the
arbiter of what is and is not true without knowing the facts...
the facts are still in the initial thread... was i rude in that
post???
was i abusive??? was it filled with obscenities??? no it wasnt,
it was my opininon of their ****ty customer service...


You might want to consider that, regardless of what
others in this thread may have written, YOU got abusive and
insulting.

to people who were abusive and insulting and said that i lied
about
the situation... correct...

Well, I've been neither abusive nor insulting, nor have I said you
lied.
Yet your response to me is certainly crude and abusive.\

please, you have no less than a condescending tone and are basically
full of yourself...


I've followed this pretty much from the start and STILL cannot
figure
out exactly what happened, e.g. you keep saying that Panasonic
"cancelled" the rebate -- do you mean they cancelled it after
your
purchase but before the March expiration date? The rebate form
at
the
link someone else posted specifically provided that Panasonic
could
do
that (incidently, I'm not convinced that Panasonic legally can
do
so,
as the rebate is part of the consideration for the purchase, but
that's another thread altogether).

doesnt matter...

Of course it matters. First of all, your tone matters. I haven't
seen
you
conduct yourself in a civil fashion. I've been civil to you, and I
don't
appreciate obscenities in return. Good grief -- where do you come
from
that
you think this kind of language is appropriate in a civil
discussion?

yes my tone mattered with B&H and even with them not responding
to this date ive been totally civil to them... as i said, i havent
tried
to
even contact them anymore... six times was enough... the point was
to show how crappy there customer service is... people like yourself
have allowed me to expound on it far more than i had ever considered
to do so in the first place by being jerks about the matter... you
guys
have turned something that would have probably been a ten thread
post into something 200+, not to mention B&H has yet to call me and
panasonic is not going to honor the rebate because B&H never got
the forms to me in time... unfortunately this is the actual problem...
all of the extra BS you want to put on it is fine with me...
just allows me to talk about it even more...

the effect was me trying to get B&H to respond through
phone calls and email... i did so in earnest without mocking them
or
disrespecting them...

Sorry, I don't believe that. Perhaps you think you weren't
disrespectful,
but your standards for respect certainly don't coincide with my own.

what you believes doesnt matter... the truth does... i believe you are
an asshole... does that mean anything to you, does that somehow
change anything in life??? me believing you are an asshole has nothing
to do with how i corresponded to B&H... believe what you want,
the truth is what matters... if i had been an asshole and
disrespectful
to B&H their so called customer service person would have made
that clear by now dont you think???


I don't speak for Henry Posner,
and I'm certainly not a mind reader, but is it possible that he
(and
B&H) were sufficiently put-off by the vehemence, vindictiveness
and,
I'm sorry, pettiness of your postings to prefer to simply not
deal
with you?

please show where i was any of this to B&H... you cant and wont be
able too...

I asked you to consider a possibility. I have no idea what you were
like in
your transactions with B&H. I only know what you are like here.

and now we come to the payoff... you dont know... youre just flapping
your gums and like the morons in here who said i lied about the
situation
until now you were talking about what you thought and not what you
know...

you dont like me as a person

I don't know anything about you and neither like nor dislike you.
You
give
yourself far too much credit -- you're nothing but a Usenet
diversion to
me.

then obviously its a diversion you dont like... same thing...


and i could give a **** less about
that...

And that is a perfect example of what I mean. I don't take you
seriously.
No one will take you seriously. Learn to express yourself clearly
and
thoughtfully without sounding like gutter trash and perhaps B&H will
take
you seriously.

and this is exactly what the **** i mean... one has nothing to do with
the other... one of these days you will figure that out... well, maybe
not...

the problem is that their customer service as i said was
horrible...
instead of responding to me in this thread he responded to other
who
said i was lying about the issue...

If I were B&H customer service and spoke to me the way you've
communicated
with me in your post, I would have hung up on you.

please... i never got to speak to a B&H customer service person...
how many ****ing times do i have to say that before the morons
can figure it out... ive only said that now about 30 times in this
thread
and MORONS keep saying the same stoooooopid ****...

i know, you have a lot more patience with morons than i do,
congrats...

so, can you know figure out that it doesnt matter whether or not
you would have hung up on me or not??? i never had the opportunity...
and before you step on your dick and say my email to them was nasty
i already posted the second of three emails in here and you can see
the
response from the guy who passed the buck...


apparently in your mind that is good customer service...

As I've said repeatedly, B&H gives me excellent customer service,
and
I've
bought from them many, many times. Perhaps you'll consider how I
write,
and
how you write, and ask yourself if the difference might account for
our
opposing perceptions.

you cant write any better than me and i can be just as fake and
condescending as you when i want...


Yes, they've lost your business. From what I've read, they
haven't lost anyone else's and, given the voluminous number of
endorsements from people like myself, they'll probably gain far
more
than they've lost.

then you havent read other posters or you are dishonest...

I'm not dishonest, and I've read the entire thread.

if youve read the entire thread then youve just accused yourself
of being a moron, or not having the capability to remember anything...
try reading this post over and look at the contradictory things you
have said... if you have read the entire thread than either you are
incapable of comprehending what you read or your memory is
shot... take for instance i just had to tell you again that ive never
talked to anybody at B&H yet you said if you talked to me
you would have hung up on me... get your facts straight...


See, unlike you, a
spend quite a bit of time here, and in rec.video.production. B&H is
discussed a lot, and always positively.

good for you... not this time... there were three other people
who said theyve had crappy customer service with them too...
not only that i posted three comments from people at resseller.com
that said basically that the company now is not the same as it
use to be... all of the very satisfied comments came from people
who got their stuff and that was it... the dissatisfied comments came
from people who had to interact with their customer service
department... coincidence??? i think not...


You're new around here, and the sum
total of your contributions have been a single question about a
camera
and
an unrelenting tirade against a well-respected and admired vendor.

which you and many others have participated in...
i could not have done it without you...
thanx...

You call
names. You pepper your responses with obscenities. You STILL have
not
given a sufficient account of what happened for me to determine
whether
B&H
was at fault (and that's what I do for a living).

yep ive called morons morons... boo ****ing hoo...
it seems you are the only person in this whole thread who has said i
havent given a sufficient account... not even henry has said that...
since you like to play this kind of game, who is wrong??? you, or
everybody
else???


When I have complaints with vendors, I write a brief, reasoned
and
civil letter explaining the problem. 99% of the time, that's
enough
to take care of it.

which is what i did three times and got no response...

And, again, I'm sorry but I cannot credit this.

it doesnt matter what you can or cannot credit...
i did so and thats the truth... apparently you figure you are
some kind of psych or a mind reader...
you are ASSuming... stop it, youve already made an ass out
of yourself...


As you've pointed out, I
know nothing whatsoever about your interaction with B&H.

yet you keep on ASSuming...

All I know about
you is what I have gleaned from your posts here. Nothing you've
written
suggests that you're capable of civil and reasonable discussion.

really... i can show you at least 30 posts in this thread where i have
had
civil and reasonable discussion... either you didnt read them, you are
a moron, or just a liar... which is it???



yeah a lot of people are looking for that type of customer
service in a company...

As you've been repeatedly told, including by me, most of us who
posted
to this thread have made repeated purchases from B&H, spending,
individually, thousands and thousands of dollars, and have been
very
happy with the customer service we've received. So, yes, the
customer
service that _I've_ personally experienced, which is nothing
like
what
you've described, is the type of customer service that I'm
looking
for
in a company. Out of curiosity, have you wondered why the
experiences
recited, first person, here in this ng with B&H are so different
from
your own?

i sure have... but then their numbers are down at reseller.com and
i
can
pretty much figure out on my own why that is...

Well, don't hold your breath -- B&H won't be having fire sale any
time
soon.

so that discounts their numbers being down at reseller.com???
you are nothing more than a B&H apologist or cultist...
in your eyes they can do no wrong... but its funny you didnt take to
the others in this thread that said they had crappy customer service
you just wanted to deal with me because you dont like how i
express myself... i express myself like this to use people like you
to get my point across... been doing it for years... their is nothing
better
than trolling with the truth... as long as you tell the truth no
matter
what
you cant dissed... the truth is what it is... you just dont like how i
exposed the truth...

but after trying to get a company to respond to me 6 times and
missing out on a rebate, i just decided to let the truth about the
company out... its not my fault that they have a crappy customer
service department... is it me just saying that, or are people who
rate them at reseller.com saying the same thing???



well, probably you and the moron known as dan sullivan...

And enough other people to make B&H one of the largest and most
successful, if not THE largest and most successful, photo
equipment
retailers in the world. Who's right here? You, or everyone
else?

i am right... who was right in germany, hitler or the jews he was
torching...

Okay, I guess it's time to invoke Godwin's law.

Talk about a non sequitur.

no talk about an analogy... what you are saying is that if everybody
says someone is wrong, then somebody must be wrong...
its a stooopid way of thinking... independent thought matters more
to me than what the gang thinks... i will take one brilliant persons
thoughts over a hundred morons any day of the week...

not only that, ive used your same weak logic against you in
this very post...

use that type of logice if you want, it doesnt mean **** to
me or anybody else operating on more than half a brain cell...

Well you're quite right about the first part -- I don't think
anything
anyone says to you hear will mean the slightest thing to you. So
why do
you
persist?

because i am right, B&H Photo's customer service did me a disservice
and i applaud your efforts to allow me to keep pointing this out...
esspecially the part about you not really knowing what youre talking
about from one paragraph to the next...



Incidently, Dan Sullivan may be many things (he's got a good wit
and
he's very articulate). He also may not like you. However, I
haven't
seen anything to suggest he's a moron.

and i have seen everything that suggests he is... from lying about
the
situation to continuously acting like a retard...

"Acting like a retard"? What are you? A junior high school
student?
Who
talks like that?

somebody who knows somebody is acting like a retard er special er
limited capabilities er autistic er etc... hopefully one of those will
be
to your liking...

" bozak" wrote

"generic eric" wrote in message
. ..
congratulations. your consecutive streak of getting the last word in is
unbroken.

Jackass.

classic... another moron who doesnt like having it pointed out that he
doesnt have a ****ing clue about what he is talking about...

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"generic eric" wrote in message
. ..
How much money is your time worth? Seems you've wasted more time
complaining about it than you're rebate is worth.

You've stated your facts and opinion, and received feedback from
B&H.
You're either happy or unhappy about it, but it seems the matter is
closed.

Why don't you leave everyone here alone and go out and use the
camera
already?

another person with not a clue about what he is talking about...
camera huh???

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
om...

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
om...
(bozak) wrote in message
. com...
"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
...

snip

I'm sure that B&H wouldn't take action against Bozak.
Anyone
following this
thread will, no doubt, be impressed by the level of
service
and
support
provided by B&H as evidenced by how many of us --
satisfied
B&H
customers --
have spent our own time and energy defending B&H against
Bozak's
accusations, and for no other reason than B&H is a
company
we
like,
trust
and respect. I suspect, in the long run, Bozak's
campaign
will
have
enhanced B&H's reputation even further, rather than hurt
it.

yes, not responding to customers and when finally finding
out
about the problem through usenet the best thing to do is
make
a joke out of the problem...

As you've noted, Henry Posner from B&H reads this ng, and
took
note
of
this thread.

yes he did... and instead of responding to me first off he
responded
to
people who said i lied about the situation...
did he tell the people who said i lied about the situation
that i
hadnt???
no he went on to put smiley faces while answering their
posts...

the truth apparently is not a consideration of yours...

On the contrary, the truth is a significant consideration.
However,
so
much
of what I hear from you is rude, abusive and contradictory that
I'm
not
inclined to give it much credit.

whether you want to give it credit or not doesnt mean what
ive said isnt the truth... nice to see youve made yourself the
arbiter of what is and is not true without knowing the facts...
the facts are still in the initial thread... was i rude in that
post???
was i abusive??? was it filled with obscenities??? no it wasnt,
it was my opininon of their ****ty customer service...


You might want to consider that, regardless of what
others in this thread may have written, YOU got abusive and
insulting.

to people who were abusive and insulting and said that i lied
about
the situation... correct...

Well, I've been neither abusive nor insulting, nor have I said
you
lied.
Yet your response to me is certainly crude and abusive.\

please, you have no less than a condescending tone and are
basically
full of yourself...


I've followed this pretty much from the start and STILL
cannot
figure
out exactly what happened, e.g. you keep saying that
Panasonic
"cancelled" the rebate -- do you mean they cancelled it
after
your
purchase but before the March expiration date? The rebate
form
at
the
link someone else posted specifically provided that
Panasonic
could
do
that (incidently, I'm not convinced that Panasonic legally
can
do
so,
as the rebate is part of the consideration for the purchase,
but
that's another thread altogether).

doesnt matter...

Of course it matters. First of all, your tone matters. I
haven't
seen
you
conduct yourself in a civil fashion. I've been civil to you,
and I
don't
appreciate obscenities in return. Good grief -- where do you
come
from
that
you think this kind of language is appropriate in a civil
discussion?

yes my tone mattered with B&H and even with them not responding
to this date ive been totally civil to them... as i said, i havent
tried
to
even contact them anymore... six times was enough... the point was
to show how crappy there customer service is... people like
yourself
have allowed me to expound on it far more than i had ever
considered
to do so in the first place by being jerks about the matter... you
guys
have turned something that would have probably been a ten thread
post into something 200+, not to mention B&H has yet to call me
and
panasonic is not going to honor the rebate because B&H never got
the forms to me in time... unfortunately this is the actual
problem...
all of the extra BS you want to put on it is fine with me...
just allows me to talk about it even more...

the effect was me trying to get B&H to respond through
phone calls and email... i did so in earnest without mocking
them
or
disrespecting them...

Sorry, I don't believe that. Perhaps you think you weren't
disrespectful,
but your standards for respect certainly don't coincide with my
own.

what you believes doesnt matter... the truth does... i believe you
are
an asshole... does that mean anything to you, does that somehow
change anything in life??? me believing you are an asshole has
nothing
to do with how i corresponded to B&H... believe what you want,
the truth is what matters... if i had been an asshole and
disrespectful
to B&H their so called customer service person would have made
that clear by now dont you think???


I don't speak for Henry Posner,
and I'm certainly not a mind reader, but is it possible that
he
(and
B&H) were sufficiently put-off by the vehemence,
vindictiveness
and,
I'm sorry, pettiness of your postings to prefer to simply
not
deal
with you?

please show where i was any of this to B&H... you cant and
wont be
able too...

I asked you to consider a possibility. I have no idea what you
were
like in
your transactions with B&H. I only know what you are like here.

and now we come to the payoff... you dont know... youre just
flapping
your gums and like the morons in here who said i lied about the
situation
until now you were talking about what you thought and not what you
know...

you dont like me as a person

I don't know anything about you and neither like nor dislike
you.
You
give
yourself far too much credit -- you're nothing but a Usenet
diversion to
me.

then obviously its a diversion you dont like... same thing...


and i could give a **** less about
that...

And that is a perfect example of what I mean. I don't take you
seriously.
No one will take you seriously. Learn to express yourself
clearly
and
thoughtfully without sounding like gutter trash and perhaps B&H
will
take
you seriously.

and this is exactly what the **** i mean... one has nothing to do
with
the other... one of these days you will figure that out... well,
maybe
not...

the problem is that their customer service as i said was
horrible...
instead of responding to me in this thread he responded to
other
who
said i was lying about the issue...

If I were B&H customer service and spoke to me the way you've
communicated
with me in your post, I would have hung up on you.

please... i never got to speak to a B&H customer service person...
how many ****ing times do i have to say that before the morons
can figure it out... ive only said that now about 30 times in this
thread
and MORONS keep saying the same stoooooopid ****...

i know, you have a lot more patience with morons than i do,
congrats...

so, can you know figure out that it doesnt matter whether or not
you would have hung up on me or not??? i never had the
opportunity...
and before you step on your dick and say my email to them was
nasty
i already posted the second of three emails in here and you can
see
the
response from the guy who passed the buck...


apparently in your mind that is good customer service...

As I've said repeatedly, B&H gives me excellent customer
service,
and
I've
bought from them many, many times. Perhaps you'll consider how
I
write,
and
how you write, and ask yourself if the difference might account
for
our
opposing perceptions.

you cant write any better than me and i can be just as fake and
condescending as you when i want...


Yes, they've lost your business. From what I've read, they
haven't lost anyone else's and, given the voluminous number
of
endorsements from people like myself, they'll probably gain
far
more
than they've lost.

then you havent read other posters or you are dishonest...

I'm not dishonest, and I've read the entire thread.

if youve read the entire thread then youve just accused yourself
of being a moron, or not having the capability to remember
anything...
try reading this post over and look at the contradictory things
you
have said... if you have read the entire thread than either you
are
incapable of comprehending what you read or your memory is
shot... take for instance i just had to tell you again that ive
never
talked to anybody at B&H yet you said if you talked to me
you would have hung up on me... get your facts straight...


See, unlike you, a
spend quite a bit of time here, and in rec.video.production.
B&H is
discussed a lot, and always positively.

good for you... not this time... there were three other people
who said theyve had crappy customer service with them too...
not only that i posted three comments from people at resseller.com
that said basically that the company now is not the same as it
use to be... all of the very satisfied comments came from people
who got their stuff and that was it... the dissatisfied comments
came
from people who had to interact with their customer service
department... coincidence??? i think not...


You're new around here, and the sum
total of your contributions have been a single question about a
camera
and
an unrelenting tirade against a well-respected and admired
vendor.

which you and many others have participated in...
i could not have done it without you...
thanx...

You call
names. You pepper your responses with obscenities. You STILL
have
not
given a sufficient account of what happened for me to determine
whether
B&H
was at fault (and that's what I do for a living).

yep ive called morons morons... boo ****ing hoo...
it seems you are the only person in this whole thread who has said
i
havent given a sufficient account... not even henry has said
that...
since you like to play this kind of game, who is wrong??? you, or
everybody
else???


When I have complaints with vendors, I write a brief,
reasoned
and
civil letter explaining the problem. 99% of the time,
that's
enough
to take care of it.

which is what i did three times and got no response...

And, again, I'm sorry but I cannot credit this.

it doesnt matter what you can or cannot credit...
i did so and thats the truth... apparently you figure you are
some kind of psych or a mind reader...
you are ASSuming... stop it, youve already made an ass out
of yourself...


As you've pointed out, I
know nothing whatsoever about your interaction with B&H.

yet you keep on ASSuming...

All I know about
you is what I have gleaned from your posts here. Nothing you've
written
suggests that you're capable of civil and reasonable discussion.

really... i can show you at least 30 posts in this thread where i
have
had
civil and reasonable discussion... either you didnt read them, you
are
a moron, or just a liar... which is it???



yeah a lot of people are looking for that type of customer
service in a company...

As you've been repeatedly told, including by me, most of us
who
posted
to this thread have made repeated purchases from B&H,
spending,
individually, thousands and thousands of dollars, and have
been
very
happy with the customer service we've received. So, yes,
the
customer
service that _I've_ personally experienced, which is nothing
like
what
you've described, is the type of customer service that I'm
looking
for
in a company. Out of curiosity, have you wondered why the
experiences
recited, first person, here in this ng with B&H are so
different
from
your own?

i sure have... but then their numbers are down at reseller.com
and
i
can
pretty much figure out on my own why that is...

Well, don't hold your breath -- B&H won't be having fire sale
any
time
soon.

so that discounts their numbers being down at reseller.com???
you are nothing more than a B&H apologist or cultist...
in your eyes they can do no wrong... but its funny you didnt take
to
the others in this thread that said they had crappy customer
service
you just wanted to deal with me because you dont like how i
express myself... i express myself like this to use people like
you
to get my point across... been doing it for years... their is
nothing
better
than trolling with the truth... as long as you tell the truth no
matter
what
you cant dissed... the truth is what it is... you just dont like
how i
exposed the truth...

but after trying to get a company to respond to me 6 times and
missing out on a rebate, i just decided to let the truth about the
company out... its not my fault that they have a crappy customer
service department... is it me just saying that, or are people who
rate them at reseller.com saying the same thing???



well, probably you and the moron known as dan sullivan...

And enough other people to make B&H one of the largest and
most
successful, if not THE largest and most successful, photo
equipment
retailers in the world. Who's right here? You, or everyone
else?

i am right... who was right in germany, hitler or the jews he
was
torching...

Okay, I guess it's time to invoke Godwin's law.

Talk about a non sequitur.

no talk about an analogy... what you are saying is that if
everybody
says someone is wrong, then somebody must be wrong...
its a stooopid way of thinking... independent thought matters more
to me than what the gang thinks... i will take one brilliant
persons
thoughts over a hundred morons any day of the week...

not only that, ive used your same weak logic against you in
this very post...

use that type of logice if you want, it doesnt mean **** to
me or anybody else operating on more than half a brain cell...

Well you're quite right about the first part -- I don't think
anything
anyone says to you hear will mean the slightest thing to you.
So
why do
you
persist?

because i am right, B&H Photo's customer service did me a
disservice
and i applaud your efforts to allow me to keep pointing this
out...
esspecially the part about you not really knowing what youre
talking
about from one paragraph to the next...



Incidently, Dan Sullivan may be many things (he's got a good
wit
and
he's very articulate). He also may not like you. However,
I
haven't
seen anything to suggest he's a moron.

and i have seen everything that suggests he is... from lying
about
the
situation to continuously acting like a retard...

"Acting like a retard"? What are you? A junior high school
student?
Who
talks like that?

somebody who knows somebody is acting like a retard er special er
limited capabilities er autistic er etc... hopefully one of those
will
be
to your liking...











Don't you think a little editing-out of irrelevant history is in order on
some of these posts?


Ooops... forget it.

"gr" wrote in message
...

Don't you think a little editing-out of irrelevant history is in order on
some of these posts?

yes i do mr.irrelevant...

*PLONK*

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"gr" wrote in message
...

Don't you think a little editing-out of irrelevant history is in order on
some of these posts?

yes i do mr.irrelevant...

my bad... i see or at least think your attempt was one of humor,
especially since you left all of the irrelevant history in your
post... i was thinking that you were trying to be a jerk like some
of the people in here have been on this subject...

i apologize...

"gr" wrote in message
...

Don't you think a little editing-out of irrelevant history is in order on
some of these posts?


Ooops... forget it.

again, sorry i didnt get it the first time...

you are one hostile mother****er. if this is about a DVD recorder, why is
it cross-posted to photo groups? Why don't you put your gear down, leave
your mother's basement, and take a breath of fresh air outside?


" bozak" wrote in message
...

"generic eric" wrote in message
. ..
congratulations. your consecutive streak of getting the last word in is
unbroken.

Jackass.

classic... another moron who doesnt like having it pointed out that he
doesnt have a ****ing clue about what he is talking about...

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"generic eric" wrote in message
. ..
How much money is your time worth? Seems you've wasted more time
complaining about it than you're rebate is worth.

You've stated your facts and opinion, and received feedback from
B&H.
You're either happy or unhappy about it, but it seems the matter is
closed.

Why don't you leave everyone here alone and go out and use the
camera
already?

another person with not a clue about what he is talking about...
camera huh???

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
om...

" bozak" wrote in message
...

"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
om...
(bozak) wrote in message
. com...
"PTRAVEL" wrote in message
...

snip

I'm sure that B&H wouldn't take action against Bozak.
Anyone
following this
thread will, no doubt, be impressed by the level of
service
and
support
provided by B&H as evidenced by how many of us --
satisfied
B&H
customers --
have spent our own time and energy defending B&H against
Bozak's
accusations, and for no other reason than B&H is a
company
we
like,
trust
and respect. I suspect, in the long run, Bozak's
campaign
will
have
enhanced B&H's reputation even further, rather than hurt
it.

yes, not responding to customers and when finally finding
out
about the problem through usenet the best thing to do is
make
a joke out of the problem...

As you've noted, Henry Posner from B&H reads this ng, and
took
note
of
this thread.

yes he did... and instead of responding to me first off he
responded
to
people who said i lied about the situation...
did he tell the people who said i lied about the situation
that i
hadnt???
no he went on to put smiley faces while answering their
posts...

the truth apparently is not a consideration of yours...

On the contrary, the truth is a significant consideration.
However,
so
much
of what I hear from you is rude, abusive and contradictory that
I'm
not
inclined to give it much credit.

whether you want to give it credit or not doesnt mean what
ive said isnt the truth... nice to see youve made yourself the
arbiter of what is and is not true without knowing the facts...
the facts are still in the initial thread... was i rude in that
post???
was i abusive??? was it filled with obscenities??? no it wasnt,
it was my opininon of their ****ty customer service...


You might want to consider that, regardless of what
others in this thread may have written, YOU got abusive and
insulting.

to people who were abusive and insulting and said that i lied
about
the situation... correct...

Well, I've been neither abusive nor insulting, nor have I said
you
lied.
Yet your response to me is certainly crude and abusive.\

please, you have no less than a condescending tone and are
basically
full of yourself...


I've followed this pretty much from the start and STILL
cannot
figure
out exactly what happened, e.g. you keep saying that
Panasonic
"cancelled" the rebate -- do you mean they cancelled it
after
your
purchase but before the March expiration date? The rebate
form
at
the
link someone else posted specifically provided that
Panasonic
could
do
that (incidently, I'm not convinced that Panasonic legally
can
do
so,
as the rebate is part of the consideration for the purchase,
but
that's another thread altogether).

doesnt matter...

Of course it matters. First of all, your tone matters. I
haven't
seen
you
conduct yourself in a civil fashion. I've been civil to you,
and I
don't
appreciate obscenities in return. Good grief -- where do you
come
from
that
you think this kind of language is appropriate in a civil
discussion?

yes my tone mattered with B&H and even with them not responding
to this date ive been totally civil to them... as i said, i havent
tried
to
even contact them anymore... six times was enough... the point was
to show how crappy there customer service is... people like
yourself
have allowed me to expound on it far more than i had ever
considered
to do so in the first place by being jerks about the matter... you
guys
have turned something that would have probably been a ten thread
post into something 200+, not to mention B&H has yet to call me
and
panasonic is not going to honor the rebate because B&H never got
the forms to me in time... unfortunately this is the actual
problem...
all of the extra BS you want to put on it is fine with me...
just allows me to talk about it even more...

the effect was me trying to get B&H to respond through
phone calls and email... i did so in earnest without mocking
them
or
disrespecting them...

Sorry, I don't believe that. Perhaps you think you weren't
disrespectful,
but your standards for respect certainly don't coincide with my
own.

what you believes doesnt matter... the truth does... i believe you
are
an asshole... does that mean anything to you, does that somehow
change anything in life??? me believing you are an asshole has
nothing
to do with how i corresponded to B&H... believe what you want,
the truth is what matters... if i had been an asshole and
disrespectful
to B&H their so called customer service person would have made
that clear by now dont you think???


I don't speak for Henry Posner,
and I'm certainly not a mind reader, but is it possible that
he
(and
B&H) were sufficiently put-off by the vehemence,
vindictiveness
and,
I'm sorry, pettiness of your postings to prefer to simply
not
deal
with you?

please show where i was any of this to B&H... you cant and
wont be
able too...

I asked you to consider a possibility. I have no idea what you
were
like in
your transactions with B&H. I only know what you are like here.

and now we come to the payoff... you dont know... youre just
flapping
your gums and like the morons in here who said i lied about the
situation
until now you were talking about what you thought and not what you
know...

you dont like me as a person

I don't know anything about you and neither like nor dislike
you.
You
give
yourself far too much credit -- you're nothing but a Usenet
diversion to
me.

then obviously its a diversion you dont like... same thing...


and i could give a **** less about
that...

And that is a perfect example of what I mean. I don't take you
seriously.
No one will take you seriously. Learn to express yourself
clearly
and
thoughtfully without sounding like gutter trash and perhaps B&H
will
take
you seriously.

and this is exactly what the **** i mean... one has nothing to do
with
the other... one of these days you will figure that out... well,
maybe
not...

the problem is that their customer service as i said was
horrible...
instead of responding to me in this thread he responded to
other
who
said i was lying about the issue...

If I were B&H customer service and spoke to me the way you've
communicated
with me in your post, I would have hung up on you.

please... i never got to speak to a B&H customer service person...
how many ****ing times do i have to say that before the morons
can figure it out... ive only said that now about 30 times in this
thread
and MORONS keep saying the same stoooooopid ****...

i know, you have a lot more patience with morons than i do,
congrats...

so, can you know figure out that it doesnt matter whether or not
you would have hung up on me or not??? i never had the
opportunity...
and before you step on your dick and say my email to them was
nasty
i already posted the second of three emails in here and you can
see
the
response from the guy who passed the buck...


apparently in your mind that is good customer service...

As I've said repeatedly, B&H gives me excellent customer
service,
and
I've
bought from them many, many times. Perhaps you'll consider how
I
write,
and
how you write, and ask yourself if the difference might account
for
our
opposing perceptions.

you cant write any better than me and i can be just as fake and
condescending as you when i want...


Yes, they've lost your business. From what I've read, they
haven't lost anyone else's and, given the voluminous number
of
endorsements from people like myself, they'll probably gain
far
more
than they've lost.

then you havent read other posters or you are dishonest...

I'm not dishonest, and I've read the entire thread.

if youve read the entire thread then youve just accused yourself
of being a moron, or not having the capability to remember
anything...
try reading this post over and look at the contradictory things
you
have said... if you have read the entire thread than either you
are
incapable of comprehending what you read or your memory is
shot... take for instance i just had to tell you again that ive
never
talked to anybody at B&H yet you said if you talked to me
you would have hung up on me... get your facts straight...


See, unlike you, a
spend quite a bit of time here, and in rec.video.production.
B&H is
discussed a lot, and always positively.

good for you... not this time... there were three other people
who said theyve had crappy customer service with them too...
not only that i posted three comments from people at resseller.com
that said basically that the company now is not the same as it
use to be... all of the very satisfied comments came from people
who got their stuff and that was it... the dissatisfied comments
came
from people who had to interact with their customer service
department... coincidence??? i think not...


You're new around here, and the sum
total of your contributions have been a single question about a
camera
and
an unrelenting tirade against a well-respected and admired
vendor.

which you and many others have participated in...
i could not have done it without you...
thanx...

You call
names. You pepper your responses with obscenities. You STILL
have
not
given a sufficient account of what happened for me to determine
whether
B&H
was at fault (and that's what I do for a living).

yep ive called morons morons... boo ****ing hoo...
it seems you are the only person in this whole thread who has said
i
havent given a sufficient account... not even henry has said
that...
since you like to play this kind of game, who is wrong??? you, or
everybody
else???


When I have complaints with vendors, I write a brief,
reasoned
and
civil letter explaining the problem. 99% of the time,
that's
enough
to take care of it.

which is what i did three times and got no response...

And, again, I'm sorry but I cannot credit this.

it doesnt matter what you can or cannot credit...
i did so and thats the truth... apparently you figure you are
some kind of psych or a mind reader...
you are ASSuming... stop it, youve already made an ass out
of yourself...


As you've pointed out, I
know nothing whatsoever about your interaction with B&H.

yet you keep on ASSuming...

All I know about
you is what I have gleaned from your posts here. Nothing you've
written
suggests that you're capable of civil and reasonable discussion.

really... i can show you at least 30 posts in this thread where i
have
had
civil and reasonable discussion... either you didnt read them, you
are
a moron, or just a liar... which is it???



yeah a lot of people are looking for that type of customer
service in a company...

As you've been repeatedly told, including by me, most of us
who
posted
to this thread have made repeated purchases from B&H,
spending,
individually, thousands and thousands of dollars, and have
been
very
happy with the customer service we've received. So, yes,
the
customer
service that _I've_ personally experienced, which is nothing
like
what
you've described, is the type of customer service that I'm
looking
for
in a company. Out of curiosity, have you wondered why the
experiences
recited, first person, here in this ng with B&H are so
different
from
your own?

i sure have... but then their numbers are down at reseller.com
and
i
can
pretty much figure out on my own why that is...

Well, don't hold your breath -- B&H won't be having fire sale
any
time
soon.

so that discounts their numbers being down at reseller.com???
you are nothing more than a B&H apologist or cultist...
in your eyes they can do no wrong... but its funny you didnt take
to
the others in this thread that said they had crappy customer
service
you just wanted to deal with me because you dont like how i
express myself... i express myself like this to use people like
you
to get my point across... been doing it for years... their is
nothing
better
than trolling with the truth... as long as you tell the truth no
matter
what
you cant dissed... the truth is what it is... you just dont like
how i
exposed the truth...

but after trying to get a company to respond to me 6 times and
missing out on a rebate, i just decided to let the truth about the
company out... its not my fault that they have a crappy customer
service department... is it me just saying that, or are people who
rate them at reseller.com saying the same thing???



well, probably you and the moron known as dan sullivan...

And enough other people to make B&H one of the largest and
most
successful, if not THE largest and most successful, photo
equipment
retailers in the world. Who's right here? You, or everyone
else?

i am right... who was right in germany, hitler or the jews he
was
torching...

Okay, I guess it's time to invoke Godwin's law.

Talk about a non sequitur.

no talk about an analogy... what you are saying is that if
everybody
says someone is wrong, then somebody must be wrong...
its a stooopid way of thinking... independent thought matters more
to me than what the gang thinks... i will take one brilliant
persons
thoughts over a hundred morons any day of the week...

not only that, ive used your same weak logic against you in
this very post...

use that type of logice if you want, it doesnt mean **** to
me or anybody else operating on more than half a brain cell...

Well you're quite right about the first part -- I don't think
anything
anyone says to you hear will mean the slightest thing to you.
So
why do
you
persist?

because i am right, B&H Photo's customer service did me a
disservice
and i applaud your efforts to allow me to keep pointing this
out...
esspecially the part about you not really knowing what youre
talking
about from one paragraph to the next...



Incidently, Dan Sullivan may be many things (he's got a good
wit
and
he's very articulate). He also may not like you. However,
I
haven't
seen anything to suggest he's a moron.

and i have seen everything that suggests he is... from lying
about
the
situation to continuously acting like a retard...

"Acting like a retard"? What are you? A junior high school
student?
Who
talks like that?

somebody who knows somebody is acting like a retard er special er
limited capabilities er autistic er etc... hopefully one of those
will
be
to your liking...

generic eric wrote:
you are one hostile mother****er. if this is about a DVD recorder,
why is it cross-posted to photo groups? Why don't you put your gear
down, leave your mother's basement, and take a breath of fresh air
outside?


Suppose we can bury this and stride into the future? Please?