Camera For Photographing Animals?

Salvadore JM wrote:
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:30:37 -0700, John McWilliams wrote:


Actually, a number of us are eagerly awaiting no one replying to this
pest at all; then we don't see him at all.

Why? So you don't have to read things like this again? :-) What's the matter?
Afraid of a few FACTS in your ignorantly psychotic virtual-reality life?


1. P&S cameras can have more seamless zoom range than any DSLR glass in
existence. (E.g. 9mm f2.7 - 1248mm f/3.5.) (100% proved in another thread.)

2. P&S cameras can have much wider apertures at longer focal lengths than any
DSLR glass in existence. (E.g. 549mm f/2.4 and 1248mm f/3.5), and higher quality
full-frame 180-degree circular fisheye and intermediate super-wide-angle views
than any DSLR and its glass in existence. (100% proved in another thread.)

3. P&S smaller sensor cameras can and do have wider dynamic range than larger
sensor cameras E.g. 1/2.5" has 10.3EV Dynamic Range vs. APS-C's 7.0-8.0EV
Dynamic Range, one quick example:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/...7ceaf3a1_o.jpg )

4. P&S cameras are silent. Will not endanger your life when photographing
potentially dangerous wildlife by alerting them to your presence.

5. P&S cameras can have shutter speeds up to 1/40,000th of a second. Allowing
you to capture fast subject motion in nature (E.g. insect and hummingbird wings)
WITHOUT the need of artificial and image destroying flash, using available light
alone.

6. P&S cameras can have full-frame flash-sync up to and including shutter-speeds
of 1/40,000th of a second. E.g.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Samples:_...%26_Flash-Sync

7. P&S cameras do not suffer from focal-plane shutter drawbacks and limitations.
Causing camera shake, moving-subject image distortions (focal-plane-shutter
distortions, E.g.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...istortions.jpg
), last-century-slow flash-sync, obnoxiously loud slapping mirrors and shutter
curtains, shorter mechanical life, easily damaged, expensive repair costs, etc.

8. Some P&S cameras can run the revolutionary CHDK software on them, which
allows for lightning-fast motion detection so that you may capture more elusive
animals (in still-frame and video) where any evidence of your presence at all
might prevent their appearance, without the need of carrying a laptop along or
any other hardware into remote areas--which only limits your range, distance,
and time allotted for bringing back that one-of-a-kind image. It also allows for
unattended time-lapse photography for days and weeks at a time, so that you may
capture those more elusive subject-studies in nature. E.g. a rare slime-mold's
propagation and reproduction, that you happened to find in a mountain-ravine,
10-days hike from the nearest laptop or other time-lapse hardware

9. When doing wildlife photography in remote and rugged areas and harsh
environments you're not worrying about trying to change lenses in time to get
that shot (fewer missed shots), dropping one in the mud or lake while you do,
and not worrying about ruining all the rest of your photos that day from having
gotten crud on the sensor.

10. Smaller sensors and the larger apertures available allow for the deep DOF
required for excellent macro-photography, WITHOUT the need of any image
destroying, subject irritating, natural-look destroying flash. No DSLR on the
planet can compare in the quality of available-light macro photography that can
be done with nearly any P&S camera.

11. P&S cameras include video, and some even provide for CD-quality stereo audio
recordings, so that you might capture those rare events in nature where a
still-frame alone could never prove all those "scientists" wrong. E.g. recording
the paw-drumming communication patterns of eusocial-living field-mice.

12. P&S cameras have 100% viewfinder coverage that exactly matches your final
image. No important bits lost, and no chance of ruining your composition by
trying to "guess" what will show up in the final image. With the ability to
overlay live RGB-histograms, and under/over-exposure area alerts (and dozens of
other important shooting data) directly on your electronic viewfinder display
you are also not going to guess if your exposure might be right this time. Nor
do you have to remove your eye from the view of your subject to check some
external LCD histogram display, ruining your chances of getting that perfect
shot when it happens.

13. P&S cameras can and do focus in lower-light (which is common in natural
settings) than any DSLRs in existence, due to electronic viewfinders that can be
increased in gain as light-levels drop. Some P&S cameras can even take images
(AND videos) in total darkness by using IR illumination alone. No other
multi-purpose cameras are capable of taking still-frame and videos of nocturnal
wildlife as easily nor as well. Shooting videos and still-frames of nocturnal
animals without disturbing their natural behavior from 90 ft. away with a 549mm
f/2.4 lens is not only possible, it's been done, many times, by myself.

14. Without the need to use flash in all situations, and a P&S's nearly 100%
silent operation, you are not disturbing your wildlife, neither scaring it away
nor changing their natural behavior with your existence. You are recording
nature as it is, and should be, not some artificial human-changed distortion of
reality and nature.

15. Nature photography requires that the image be captured with the greatest
degree of accuracy possible. NO focal-plane shutter in existence, with its
inherent focal-plane-shutter distortions imparted on any moving subject will
EVER capture any moving subject in nature 100% accurately. A leaf-shutter or
electronic shutter, as is found in ALL P&S cameras will capture your moving
subject in nature with 100% accuracy. Your P&S photography will no longer lead a
biologist nor other scientist down another DSLR-distorted path of non-reality.

16. Some P&S cameras have shutter-lag times that are even shorter than all the
popular DSLRs, due to the fact that they don't have to move those agonizingly
slow and loud mirrors and shutter curtains in time before the shot is recorded.

16b (addendum). An electronic viewfinder, as exists in all P&S cameras, can
accurately relay the camera's shutter-speed in real-time. Giving you a 100%
accurate preview of what your final subject is going to look like when shot at 3
seconds or 1/20,000th of a second. Your soft waterfall effects, or the crisp
sharp outlines of your stopped-motion hummingbird wings will be 100% accurately
depicted in your viewfinder before you even record the shot. What you see in a
P&S camera is truly what you get. You won't have to guess in advance at what
shutter speed to use to obtain those artistic effects or those scientifically
accurate nature studies that you require or that your client requires. When
testing CHDK P&S cameras that could have shutter speeds as fast as 1/40,000th of
a second, I was amazed that I could half-depress the shutter and watch in the
viewfinder as a Dremel-Drill's 30,000 rpm rotating disk was stopped in crisp
detail in real time, without ever having taken an example shot yet. Similarly
true when lowering shutter speeds for milky-water effects when shooting rapids
and falls, instantly seeing the effect in your viewfinder. Poor DSLR-trolls will
never realize what they are missing with their anciently slow focal-plane
shutters and wholly inaccurate optical viewfinders.

17. ..... this is getting tedious, restating again just some of the
resident-troll's misinformation that I've already disproved, dozens of times
over. I just thought it might be fun to put a few of them all in one place to
make JT Keeper's glaringly obvious stupidity (and the ignorance and stupidity of
all the other DSLR-trolls just like him) even more glaringly obvious to the
world.


Hey, this is fun.

When are going to try to convince us that your inflatable girlfriend is
better than a real girl? You know what I mean - makes less noise, costs
less, performs best in low light, (has a smaller aperture?) etc.

You are a funny and rather pathetic little man.

Socky

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:30:13 +1000, "AnotherD@rnedSock"
@ wrote:

Hey, this is fun.

When are going to try to convince us that your inflatable girlfriend is
better than a real girl? You know what I mean - makes less noise, costs
less, performs best in low light, (has a smaller aperture?) etc.

You are a funny and rather pathetic little man.

Socky


On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 20:30:37 -0700, John McWilliams wrote:



Actually, a number of us are eagerly awaiting no one replying to this
pest at all; then we don't see him at all.

Why? So you don't have to read things like this again? :-) What's the matter?
Afraid of a few FACTS in your ignorantly psychotic virtual-reality life?


1. P&S cameras can have more seamless zoom range than any DSLR glass in
existence. (E.g. 9mm f2.7 - 1248mm f/3.5.) (100% proved in another thread.)

2. P&S cameras can have much wider apertures at longer focal lengths than any
DSLR glass in existence. (E.g. 549mm f/2.4 and 1248mm f/3.5), and higher quality
full-frame 180-degree circular fisheye and intermediate super-wide-angle views
than any DSLR and its glass in existence. (100% proved in another thread.)

3. P&S smaller sensor cameras can and do have wider dynamic range than larger
sensor cameras E.g. 1/2.5" has 10.3EV Dynamic Range vs. APS-C's 7.0-8.0EV
Dynamic Range, one quick example:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/...7ceaf3a1_o.jpg )

4. P&S cameras are silent. Will not endanger your life when photographing
potentially dangerous wildlife by alerting them to your presence.

5. P&S cameras can have shutter speeds up to 1/40,000th of a second. Allowing
you to capture fast subject motion in nature (E.g. insect and hummingbird wings)
WITHOUT the need of artificial and image destroying flash, using available light
alone.

6. P&S cameras can have full-frame flash-sync up to and including shutter-speeds
of 1/40,000th of a second. E.g.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Samples:_...%26_Flash-Sync

7. P&S cameras do not suffer from focal-plane shutter drawbacks and limitations.
Causing camera shake, moving-subject image distortions (focal-plane-shutter
distortions, E.g.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...istortions.jpg
), last-century-slow flash-sync, obnoxiously loud slapping mirrors and shutter
curtains, shorter mechanical life, easily damaged, expensive repair costs, etc.

8. Some P&S cameras can run the revolutionary CHDK software on them, which
allows for lightning-fast motion detection so that you may capture more elusive
animals (in still-frame and video) where any evidence of your presence at all
might prevent their appearance, without the need of carrying a laptop along or
any other hardware into remote areas--which only limits your range, distance,
and time allotted for bringing back that one-of-a-kind image. It also allows for
unattended time-lapse photography for days and weeks at a time, so that you may
capture those more elusive subject-studies in nature. E.g. a rare slime-mold's
propagation and reproduction, that you happened to find in a mountain-ravine,
10-days hike from the nearest laptop or other time-lapse hardware

9. When doing wildlife photography in remote and rugged areas and harsh
environments you're not worrying about trying to change lenses in time to get
that shot (fewer missed shots), dropping one in the mud or lake while you do,
and not worrying about ruining all the rest of your photos that day from having
gotten crud on the sensor.

10. Smaller sensors and the larger apertures available allow for the deep DOF
required for excellent macro-photography, WITHOUT the need of any image
destroying, subject irritating, natural-look destroying flash. No DSLR on the
planet can compare in the quality of available-light macro photography that can
be done with nearly any P&S camera.

11. P&S cameras include video, and some even provide for CD-quality stereo audio
recordings, so that you might capture those rare events in nature where a
still-frame alone could never prove all those "scientists" wrong. E.g. recording
the paw-drumming communication patterns of eusocial-living field-mice.

12. P&S cameras have 100% viewfinder coverage that exactly matches your final
image. No important bits lost, and no chance of ruining your composition by
trying to "guess" what will show up in the final image. With the ability to
overlay live RGB-histograms, and under/over-exposure area alerts (and dozens of
other important shooting data) directly on your electronic viewfinder display
you are also not going to guess if your exposure might be right this time. Nor
do you have to remove your eye from the view of your subject to check some
external LCD histogram display, ruining your chances of getting that perfect
shot when it happens.

13. P&S cameras can and do focus in lower-light (which is common in natural
settings) than any DSLRs in existence, due to electronic viewfinders that can be
increased in gain as light-levels drop. Some P&S cameras can even take images
(AND videos) in total darkness by using IR illumination alone. No other
multi-purpose cameras are capable of taking still-frame and videos of nocturnal
wildlife as easily nor as well. Shooting videos and still-frames of nocturnal
animals without disturbing their natural behavior from 90 ft. away with a 549mm
f/2.4 lens is not only possible, it's been done, many times, by myself.

14. Without the need to use flash in all situations, and a P&S's nearly 100%
silent operation, you are not disturbing your wildlife, neither scaring it away
nor changing their natural behavior with your existence. You are recording
nature as it is, and should be, not some artificial human-changed distortion of
reality and nature.

15. Nature photography requires that the image be captured with the greatest
degree of accuracy possible. NO focal-plane shutter in existence, with its
inherent focal-plane-shutter distortions imparted on any moving subject will
EVER capture any moving subject in nature 100% accurately. A leaf-shutter or
electronic shutter, as is found in ALL P&S cameras will capture your moving
subject in nature with 100% accuracy. Your P&S photography will no longer lead a
biologist nor other scientist down another DSLR-distorted path of non-reality.

16. Some P&S cameras have shutter-lag times that are even shorter than all the
popular DSLRs, due to the fact that they don't have to move those agonizingly
slow and loud mirrors and shutter curtains in time before the shot is recorded.

17. An electronic viewfinder, as exists in all P&S cameras, can accurately relay
the camera's shutter-speed in real-time. Giving you a 100% accurate preview of
what your final subject is going to look like when shot at 3 seconds or
1/20,000th of a second. Your soft waterfall effects, or the crisp sharp outlines
of your stopped-motion hummingbird wings will be 100% accurately depicted in
your viewfinder before you even record the shot. What you see in a P&S camera is
truly what you get. You won't have to guess in advance at what shutter speed to
use to obtain those artistic effects or those scientifically accurate nature
studies that you require or that your client requires. When testing CHDK P&S
cameras that could have shutter speeds as fast as 1/40,000th of a second, I was
amazed that I could half-depress the shutter and watch in the viewfinder as a
Dremel-Drill's 30,000 rpm rotating disk was stopped in crisp detail in real
time, without ever having taken an example shot yet. Similarly true when
lowering shutter speeds for milky-water effects when shooting rapids and falls,
instantly seeing the effect in your viewfinder. Poor DSLR-trolls will never
realize what they are missing with their anciently slow focal-plane shutters and
wholly inaccurate optical viewfinders.

18. ..... this is getting tedious, restating again just some of the
resident-troll's misinformation that I've already disproved, dozens of times
over. I just thought it might be fun to put a few of them all in one place to
make JT Keeper's glaringly obvious stupidity (and the ignorance and stupidity of
all the other DSLR-trolls just like him) even more glaringly obvious to the
world.

Dave C wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 19:27:02 -0000, "Roy G" wrote:

"Dave C" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 06:50:17 -0500, Dave C
wrote:
To top it off, it's not even a photo that I would consider submitting for
viewing by ANYONE. I wouldn't even waste a friend's time with it

Thanks for posting that link! LOL!!

Windbag!

Put up or shut up.

Roy G


I don't bother to placate useless usenet trolls that try to manipulate others
into posting their marketable photography just to make their own basement-living
life seem like it's been worth it.

Interesting anecdote(s), my last photo-trekking partner and I invested in an
extensive 8 volume set of all the known endangered species in North America. We
thought it might be a fun challenge to see how many photographs we could get, of
species that have as yet gone unphotographed. No photos of them in existence. We
managed to photograph about 5 per month, for a year. It almost got boring, but
provided for an interesting challenge and a fun excuse to visit areas of
continental N. America that we might not have considered before. Not to mention
the diverse species and habitats that challenged our photography skills. It was
a fun way to fine-hone our skills.

Quick example: Orchid lovers are all ga-ga over finally having professional
photographs of the rarest species on earth. Only one small patch approx. 1x3 ft.
of them was rumored to exist on the whole world. Luckily, for the orchid
officianados, I also personally managed to find 2 more patches of them, much
larger than the original patch, while hunting for the originals. The
national-park officials thanking me greatly. One of my discovered patches being
over 2ft x 20ft. I guess they aren't so rare anymore. It took 3 days of hiking
through alligator infested chest-deep swamps but it was worth it. (And for the
record: 'gators are not as nasty as all the idiotic sensationalists on the media
make them out to be. If they have a way to get away from you, that'll always be
their first option. You only need a good walking-stick to prod the murky waters
ahead of you.)

Another simple example: an insect species that hasn't been recorded since the
1920's, recorded in drawings and text but never photographed. The last known
specimen disappeared from a NY Museum over 40 years ago. There are now excellent
macro-photos of its existence, thanks to me. Albeit, 10 states away from its
original range, but proof that they actually do still exist. When my photographs
were shown to specialists in that field they about had coronary attacks.
Unfortunately, they didn't want to pay for the photographs. They thought the
discovery so fantastic that this deserves to be in the public domain.. So they
are now safe in my possession, withheld from the specialists (and public) from
having any access to more than the 200x200 pixel versions.

Endangered species aren't difficult to find, IF you know enough about animal
behavior and habitat requirements of particular species, plant or animal.

I think I might try for the Ivory-Billed Woodpecker next, since my past success
rates have been so high.

This "award winner's" Snow-Leopard half-assed random-chance attempt is pathetic
at best. An animal that large and easy to track? Over 6 months? A team of
professionals? FOURTEEN remote controlled cameras? I'd be embarrassed to even
have to admit that. I guess you'll never see why I am laughing about it (what
with your isolated urban-life experience and all), but the reasons for laughter
are more than obvious to me. To top it off his photo wasn't even close to being
"artistic" or composed properly. Just a mundane record that they exist. I don't
stop at just "acceptable", I make sure that when I record a rare species that it
is not only useful to the scientific community but is good enough to adorn the
wall of any establishment, being pleasing to view for decades to come.

Show my photos to you? How much money do you have?

Don't be such an obvious and pathetic net-troll moron. Any professional
photographers would completely understand why I don't post my photos publicly
for free. Your insistence that I do only reveals you for the useless, ignorant,
and inexperienced troll that you are.



I see from your posts that you are an accomplished masturbator. I have
never seen such a jerk-off.

What I am curious about, is it true that you are so universally disliked,
so thoroughly despised that you have to sneak up on your own hand when you
want to masturbate? Is that where you got your tracking and stealth experience?

Socky

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:53:04 +1000, "AnotherD@rnedSock"
@ wrote:

I see from your posts that you are an accomplished masturbator. I have
never seen such a jerk-off.

What I am curious about, is it true that you are so universally disliked,
so thoroughly despised that you have to sneak up on your own hand when you
want to masturbate? Is that where you got your tracking and stealth experience?

Socky


What's the matter?

Afraid of a few FACTS in your ignorantly psychotic virtual-reality life?

Here's some more facts for you to chew on:


1. P&S cameras can have more seamless zoom range than any DSLR glass in
existence. (E.g. 9mm f2.7 - 1248mm f/3.5.) (100% proved in another thread.)

2. P&S cameras can have much wider apertures at longer focal lengths than any
DSLR glass in existence. (E.g. 549mm f/2.4 and 1248mm f/3.5), and higher quality
full-frame 180-degree circular fisheye and intermediate super-wide-angle views
than any DSLR and its glass in existence. (100% proved in another thread.)

3. P&S smaller sensor cameras can and do have wider dynamic range than larger
sensor cameras E.g. 1/2.5" has 10.3EV Dynamic Range vs. APS-C's 7.0-8.0EV
Dynamic Range, one quick example:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3142/...7ceaf3a1_o.jpg )

4. P&S cameras are silent. Will not endanger your life when photographing
potentially dangerous wildlife by alerting them to your presence.

5. P&S cameras can have shutter speeds up to 1/40,000th of a second. Allowing
you to capture fast subject motion in nature (E.g. insect and hummingbird wings)
WITHOUT the need of artificial and image destroying flash, using available light
alone.

6. P&S cameras can have full-frame flash-sync up to and including shutter-speeds
of 1/40,000th of a second. E.g.
http://chdk.wikia.com/wiki/Samples:_...%26_Flash-Sync

7. P&S cameras do not suffer from focal-plane shutter drawbacks and limitations.
Causing camera shake, moving-subject image distortions (focal-plane-shutter
distortions, E.g.
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/ch...istortions.jpg
), last-century-slow flash-sync, obnoxiously loud slapping mirrors and shutter
curtains, shorter mechanical life, easily damaged, expensive repair costs, etc.

8. Some P&S cameras can run the revolutionary CHDK software on them, which
allows for lightning-fast motion detection so that you may capture more elusive
animals (in still-frame and video) where any evidence of your presence at all
might prevent their appearance, without the need of carrying a laptop along or
any other hardware into remote areas--which only limits your range, distance,
and time allotted for bringing back that one-of-a-kind image. It also allows for
unattended time-lapse photography for days and weeks at a time, so that you may
capture those more elusive subject-studies in nature. E.g. a rare slime-mold's
propagation and reproduction, that you happened to find in a mountain-ravine,
10-days hike from the nearest laptop or other time-lapse hardware

9. When doing wildlife photography in remote and rugged areas and harsh
environments you're not worrying about trying to change lenses in time to get
that shot (fewer missed shots), dropping one in the mud or lake while you do,
and not worrying about ruining all the rest of your photos that day from having
gotten crud on the sensor.

10. Smaller sensors and the larger apertures available allow for the deep DOF
required for excellent macro-photography, WITHOUT the need of any image
destroying, subject irritating, natural-look destroying flash. No DSLR on the
planet can compare in the quality of available-light macro photography that can
be done with nearly any P&S camera.

11. P&S cameras include video, and some even provide for CD-quality stereo audio
recordings, so that you might capture those rare events in nature where a
still-frame alone could never prove all those "scientists" wrong. E.g. recording
the paw-drumming communication patterns of eusocial-living field-mice.

12. P&S cameras have 100% viewfinder coverage that exactly matches your final
image. No important bits lost, and no chance of ruining your composition by
trying to "guess" what will show up in the final image. With the ability to
overlay live RGB-histograms, and under/over-exposure area alerts (and dozens of
other important shooting data) directly on your electronic viewfinder display
you are also not going to guess if your exposure might be right this time. Nor
do you have to remove your eye from the view of your subject to check some
external LCD histogram display, ruining your chances of getting that perfect
shot when it happens.

13. P&S cameras can and do focus in lower-light (which is common in natural
settings) than any DSLRs in existence, due to electronic viewfinders that can be
increased in gain as light-levels drop. Some P&S cameras can even take images
(AND videos) in total darkness by using IR illumination alone. No other
multi-purpose cameras are capable of taking still-frame and videos of nocturnal
wildlife as easily nor as well. Shooting videos and still-frames of nocturnal
animals without disturbing their natural behavior from 90 ft. away with a 549mm
f/2.4 lens is not only possible, it's been done, many times, by myself.

14. Without the need to use flash in all situations, and a P&S's nearly 100%
silent operation, you are not disturbing your wildlife, neither scaring it away
nor changing their natural behavior with your existence. You are recording
nature as it is, and should be, not some artificial human-changed distortion of
reality and nature.

15. Nature photography requires that the image be captured with the greatest
degree of accuracy possible. NO focal-plane shutter in existence, with its
inherent focal-plane-shutter distortions imparted on any moving subject will
EVER capture any moving subject in nature 100% accurately. A leaf-shutter or
electronic shutter, as is found in ALL P&S cameras will capture your moving
subject in nature with 100% accuracy. Your P&S photography will no longer lead a
biologist nor other scientist down another DSLR-distorted path of non-reality.

16. Some P&S cameras have shutter-lag times that are even shorter than all the
popular DSLRs, due to the fact that they don't have to move those agonizingly
slow and loud mirrors and shutter curtains in time before the shot is recorded.

17. An electronic viewfinder, as exists in all P&S cameras, can accurately relay
the camera's shutter-speed in real-time. Giving you a 100% accurate preview of
what your final subject is going to look like when shot at 3 seconds or
1/20,000th of a second. Your soft waterfall effects, or the crisp sharp outlines
of your stopped-motion hummingbird wings will be 100% accurately depicted in
your viewfinder before you even record the shot. What you see in a P&S camera is
truly what you get. You won't have to guess in advance at what shutter speed to
use to obtain those artistic effects or those scientifically accurate nature
studies that you require or that your client requires. When testing CHDK P&S
cameras that could have shutter speeds as fast as 1/40,000th of a second, I was
amazed that I could half-depress the shutter and watch in the viewfinder as a
Dremel-Drill's 30,000 rpm rotating disk was stopped in crisp detail in real
time, without ever having taken an example shot yet. Similarly true when
lowering shutter speeds for milky-water effects when shooting rapids and falls,
instantly seeing the effect in your viewfinder. Poor DSLR-trolls will never
realize what they are missing with their anciently slow focal-plane shutters and
wholly inaccurate optical viewfinders.

18. ..... this is getting tedious, restating again just some of the
resident-troll's misinformation that I've already disproved, dozens of times
over. I just thought it might be fun to put a few of them all in one place to
make JT Keeper's glaringly obvious stupidity (and the ignorance and stupidity of
all the other DSLR-trolls just like him) even more glaringly obvious to the
world.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:53:04 +1000, "AnotherD@rnedSock"
@ wrote:



I see from your posts that you are an accomplished masturbator. I have
never seen such a jerk-off.

What I am curious about, is it true that you are so universally disliked,
so thoroughly despised that you have to sneak up on your own hand when you
want to masturbate? Is that where you got your tracking and stealth experience?

Socky

Have you ever stopped to wonder why you're the only one that talks about
physical masturbation when you imagine that you are engaged in a conversation
with another male? While you often wonder if others are homosexual or not. As
brought it to the world's attention in previous posts of yours. In a photography
newsgroup no less.

Really, think about it. Ask yourself why those are always some of the foremost
topics in your own mind when addressing others, and is not a consideration in
the mind of anyone else.

The rest of us already know why these topics are always on your mind, now it's
just a matter of you trying to figure it out.


What a sad little closet-case that you are. Overtly obvious, but sad. You so
desperately keep trolling for masculine involvement on the internet but it'll
never fill that gaping closet-case hole of yours.

Try to find what you are after in real life then you don't have to be such an
obvious close-case troll on the internet.

Do try to stay on topic and not let your unfulfilled homosexual needs get in the
way of that, would you?

That's a good chap.

Thanks.

We'll all appreciate it.


Why oh why do these insecure closet-cases try to use the internet to come out of
the closet. I can only guess because it's the safest way for them. Nobody in
their personal life has to know who they are. How pathetically and immaturely
sad. The people that I know who are gay and secure with their lives just look
down on these kinds of insecure fools with a glance of abject pity. How
pathetically sad.

And now, back to something photography related ....

Si Taylor wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:53:04 +1000, "AnotherD@rnedSock"
@ wrote:


I see from your posts that you are an accomplished masturbator. I have
never seen such a jerk-off.

What I am curious about, is it true that you are so universally disliked,
so thoroughly despised that you have to sneak up on your own hand when you
want to masturbate? Is that where you got your tracking and stealth experience?

Socky

Have you ever stopped to wonder why you're the only one that talks about
physical masturbation when you imagine that you are engaged in a conversation
with another male?

No. Do you think that I should?

While you often wonder if others are homosexual or not.

I never wonder about sexuality. Is it something that you do?

As brought it to the world's attention in previous posts of yours.

I really doubt that the "world" is watching. Do you always delude yourself
in this manner?

In a photography
newsgroup no less.

You participation seems to change the focus of the group to a foul mouthed
Walter Mitty delusional "Rubbish SLR cameras and all professionals who use
them". Do you disagree?


Really, think about it. Ask yourself why those are always some of the foremost
topics in your own mind when addressing others, and is not a consideration in
the mind of anyone else.

It must be something about you. I see a post from you and I picture a
little pimply faced boy furiously masturbating while truculently decrying
all who own better equipment or possess better skills.

Have I got it wrong? I doubt it.


The rest of us already know why these topics are always on your mind, now it's
just a matter of you trying to figure it out.


What a sad little closet-case that you are. Overtly obvious, but sad. You so
desperately keep trolling for masculine involvement on the internet but it'll
never fill that gaping closet-case hole of yours.

Try to find what you are after in real life then you don't have to be such an
obvious close-case troll on the internet.

Do try to stay on topic and not let your unfulfilled homosexual needs get in the
way of that, would you?

I have no unfulfilled needs sexual or otherwise, other than a need for a
new lawn-mower. Mine just decided to play dead.


That's a good chap.

But I'm not a good chap, I am often far from being a good chap. Chaps gotta
have fun you know.


Thanks.

We'll all appreciate it.


Why oh why do these insecure closet-cases try to use the internet to come out of
the closet. I can only guess because it's the safest way for them. Nobody in
their personal life has to know who they are. How pathetically and immaturely
sad. The people that I know who are gay and secure with their lives just look
down on these kinds of insecure fools with a glance of abject pity. How
pathetically sad.

I'll bet you know lots of gay people. I find that to be one of the few
believable claims that you have made. I don't know many, I am a little
homo-phobic they tell me. Luckily for me I have no phobias related to girls.


And now, back to something photography related ....

You can't go back to a place you have never been. Haven't you ever noticed
that? Your posts are to do with delusion, not photography.


Socky

On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:25:01 +1000, "AnotherD@rnedSock"
@ wrote:

I am a little homo-phobic they tell me.

People who are secure in their own sexuality never feel threatened by the
sexual-orientation of others. Simple fact, not opinion.

Hetero-men who know who they are have no qualms nor hesitations about hugging or
even friend-kissing a gay man. Just as a gay man has no fears nor hesitations
about hugging a hetero-male or female friend. They both know, without question,
that the act of showing genuine affection does not change who they are. There is
no reason to not show support, affection, and concern for the other. There will
be nothing but genuine affection exchanged. There is no ulterior motive between
those who are secure in their own sexual-orientations.

Whereas, someone like you? You are afraid of anything that might remind you of
what you were taught to hate about yourself.

Every gay-basher in existence is just a deeply disturbed and wholly insecure gay
man. They can't look in the mirror so they take (what they think) is the easier
way out, to try to rid the world of everything that reminds them of their own
feelings, the feelings of anyone that they were taught to hate in life,
including their own. In the wise word of Confucius: "When we see men of worth,
we should think of equaling them; when we see men of contrary character, we
should turn inwards and examine ourselves." Not only can gay-bashers try to
appear to be not gay to all they know by hating and showing violence towards
others, but they find it's the only socially acceptable way of obtaining
intense/intimate attention from other gay men, those like themselves. How
amazingly sad and pathetic as humans they are. Weak and insecure and frightened.
There is nothing so dangerous in nature than a frightened and injured animal. In
humanity that would be the "gay basher" (or sexually-insecure political leader).

Aside: Note the similarity between the "gay basher" and leaders of the
middle-east, that use their excuse for "camaraderie" over some religious or
political issue to gain affection and praise from other fellow males, while
abusing and persecuting their women and wives. As long as they can kill another
man as an excuse to kiss and hug each other then its acceptable behavior. The
folly of such blatantly insecure closet-case humans would be laughable if it
weren't so sad. They're nothing but a whole region of the world of insecure
closet-cases, decreed by their chosen religion, so they may suffer and bring
their suffering upon the rest of the world in trying to avoid their own feelings
and sexual-orientations. Even sadder are their idiot followers and supporters
that don't recognize their "leader's" behavior for what it truly is.

A serious related "aside": The wife-beater is also a 100% closet-case. They beat
their wives in order to get attention from the men that will eventually stop
them from doing so. (Note the direct similarities of them and their values and
leaders of the middle-east who are desperately trying to gain attention from
more powerful male leaders of other countries.) Doesn't matter what wife they
have, as long as they can use them to eventually get attention from men who are
more powerful than they. (Here's a plaintive "Sorry!" to all battered-wives. But
in reality he really doesn't give one **** about you or he wouldn't treat you
that way. You're only being used so he can get attention from other more
powerful men. Think about it.) Civilization and "hetero" men in particular are
one gigantic royally ****ed-up mess in their own childish sexual-insecurities.

Do re-read your previous reply. You stated a few times your obsession with
homosexual sex. You may not have noticed it but it's more than obvious to the
rest of the objective-world that read your post. Now recorded on the net for all
eternity (or as long as Google's archives might last).

In the future, do try to stay on-topic in the newsgroups to which you are
subscribed, instead of, as you have so obviously revealed, use the group and
others in trying to work out your own sexual insecurities and phobic issues
(fears/insecurities) in life. Your cry for help was loud and clear, that's why I
tried to help you come to terms with it.

Now, about that camera or lens ... I've wasted far too much of my valuable time
"focusing" on your insecurity issues.

tony cooper wrote:
On Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:34:06 -0700, SMS
wrote:

tony cooper wrote:

I don't follow those name-changes. It's too confusing, and the name
at the top of the post really doesn't make any difference to me. It's
the content I pay attention to.
The posts are all content-free. That's how you know that they're all
from the same person. He changes names on a daily (or more) basis to get
around people's kill-files. When your life revolves around be obnoxious,
you have to be sure that people can't easily filter you out.

He's a strange one. He goes to a lot of trouble to research points to
make his argument,

He may try to google points to support his argument, but to anyone that
knows anything about photography, his points are transparently
incorrect. His greatest talent is knowing how to fake the "from" address
in his posts in order to get around everyone's filters.