Absolute beginner needs advivce

"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
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Frank Pittel wrote in message
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I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400
others
might prefer Tri-x.

Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
in sheet film.

What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.

It's all about the characteristic curve and double-coating. Press
films had to have extra latitude to cope with the needs of press work
with Graflexes and flashbulbs. Exposure was a hit-and-miss affair. All
you could hope for was 'close' with Al Capone rushing from the
courtroom. So, press films were double-coated to give more latitude.

"jjs" wrote in message ...
"Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
om...
Frank Pittel wrote in message
...

I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400
others
might prefer Tri-x.

Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
in sheet film.

What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.

It's all about the characteristic curve and double-coating. Press
films had to have extra latitude to cope with the needs of press work
with Graflexes and flashbulbs. Exposure was a hit-and-miss affair. All
you could hope for was 'close' with Al Capone rushing from the
courtroom. So, press films were double-coated to give more latitude.

I might add I've never used that film, so whether its bull
I can't comment. Since Frank P is probably reading this you
all might enjoy one recent factoid I discovered Sensia is
very Saturated, much more so than Provia,....tooo bad there's
no 120 or 4x5 version.



In article , "jjs"
wrote:

Well as pointed out earlier, Fuji has put the PRESS hype on one of their
lines of film. It's all bull.

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I might add I've never used that film, so whether its bull
I can't comment. Since Frank P is probably reading this you
all might enjoy one recent factoid I discovered Sensia is
very Saturated, much more so than Provia,....tooo bad there's
no 120 or 4x5 version.



In article , "jjs"
wrote:

Well as pointed out earlier, Fuji has put the PRESS hype on one of their
lines of film. It's all bull.

--
LF Website @ http://members.verizon.net/~gregoryblank

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong,
is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."--Theodore Roosevelt, May 7, 1918

Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: Frank Pittel wrote in message ...
: Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: : Frank Pittel wrote in message ...
: : This type of stupidity is why scarpitti has no credibility in this or any other
: : newsgroup. I'm sure he's never heard about press cameras or Weegee.
:
:
: : They're not made anymore, sonny. Nor are press films. Remember Royal
: : Pan? Gone. Arrow Pan? Gone. Super Panchro Press Type B? Gone.
:
: I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400 others
: might prefer Tri-x.

: Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: in sheet film.

I'm not a press photographer so why would I care??

: : And I'm sure you can stroll into your local camera shop and find NEW
: : Graflexes.
:
: Don't need to. There are a lot high quality used ones available. If for some
: idiotic reason I would only want to use a new camera I can go into a local
: camera store and buy a horseman or Toyo press camera. You need to expand
: your horizons a little and look past the brand name. There's a whole world
: beyond leica and hasselblad.
:
: : Weegee? I saw his stuff when I was a kid, before you even HEARD of
: : silver halides.
:
: It's good to see that you're backing off of your idiotic claim that spontaneity
: is out of the question with LF photography.

: It ain't easy......

I never said it was. Then again it isn't any easier then using any other manual
camera without a built in light meter. Simply focus at the hyperfocal distance
and you're good to go.

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Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
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Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: Frank Pittel wrote in message ...
: Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: : Frank Pittel wrote in message ...
: : This type of stupidity is why scarpitti has no credibility in this or any other
: : newsgroup. I'm sure he's never heard about press cameras or Weegee.
:
:
: : They're not made anymore, sonny. Nor are press films. Remember Royal
: : Pan? Gone. Arrow Pan? Gone. Super Panchro Press Type B? Gone.
:
: I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400 others
: might prefer Tri-x.

: Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: in sheet film.

I'm not a press photographer so why would I care??

: : And I'm sure you can stroll into your local camera shop and find NEW
: : Graflexes.
:
: Don't need to. There are a lot high quality used ones available. If for some
: idiotic reason I would only want to use a new camera I can go into a local
: camera store and buy a horseman or Toyo press camera. You need to expand
: your horizons a little and look past the brand name. There's a whole world
: beyond leica and hasselblad.
:
: : Weegee? I saw his stuff when I was a kid, before you even HEARD of
: : silver halides.
:
: It's good to see that you're backing off of your idiotic claim that spontaneity
: is out of the question with LF photography.

: It ain't easy......

I never said it was. Then again it isn't any easier then using any other manual
camera without a built in light meter. Simply focus at the hyperfocal distance
and you're good to go.

--




Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
-------------------

Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: Frank Pittel wrote in message ...
: Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: : Frank Pittel wrote in message ...
: : This type of stupidity is why scarpitti has no credibility in this or any other
: : newsgroup. I'm sure he's never heard about press cameras or Weegee.
:
:
: : They're not made anymore, sonny. Nor are press films. Remember Royal
: : Pan? Gone. Arrow Pan? Gone. Super Panchro Press Type B? Gone.
:
: I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400 others
: might prefer Tri-x.

: Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: in sheet film.

I'm not a press photographer so why would I care??

: : And I'm sure you can stroll into your local camera shop and find NEW
: : Graflexes.
:
: Don't need to. There are a lot high quality used ones available. If for some
: idiotic reason I would only want to use a new camera I can go into a local
: camera store and buy a horseman or Toyo press camera. You need to expand
: your horizons a little and look past the brand name. There's a whole world
: beyond leica and hasselblad.
:
: : Weegee? I saw his stuff when I was a kid, before you even HEARD of
: : silver halides.
:
: It's good to see that you're backing off of your idiotic claim that spontaneity
: is out of the question with LF photography.

: It ain't easy......

I never said it was. Then again it isn't any easier then using any other manual
camera without a built in light meter. Simply focus at the hyperfocal distance
and you're good to go.

--




Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
-------------------

Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: "jjs" wrote in message ...
: "Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
: om...
: Frank Pittel wrote in message
: ...
:
: I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400
: others
: might prefer Tri-x.
:
: Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: in sheet film.
:
: What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.

: It's all about the characteristic curve and double-coating. Press
: films had to have extra latitude to cope with the needs of press work
: with Graflexes and flashbulbs. Exposure was a hit-and-miss affair. All
: you could hope for was 'close' with Al Capone rushing from the
: courtroom. So, press films were double-coated to give more latitude.

How does that differ from any other type of press of "street" photography?

It's a well known fact that your "photography" involves guessing at exposure and
the focus. How do you get by without the old press films??
--




Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
-------------------

Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: "jjs" wrote in message ...
: "Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
: om...
: Frank Pittel wrote in message
: ...
:
: I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400
: others
: might prefer Tri-x.
:
: Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: in sheet film.
:
: What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.

: It's all about the characteristic curve and double-coating. Press
: films had to have extra latitude to cope with the needs of press work
: with Graflexes and flashbulbs. Exposure was a hit-and-miss affair. All
: you could hope for was 'close' with Al Capone rushing from the
: courtroom. So, press films were double-coated to give more latitude.

How does that differ from any other type of press of "street" photography?

It's a well known fact that your "photography" involves guessing at exposure and
the focus. How do you get by without the old press films??
--




Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
-------------------

Michael Scarpitti wrote:
: "jjs" wrote in message ...
: "Michael Scarpitti" wrote in message
: om...
: Frank Pittel wrote in message
: ...
:
: I would rather use a high quality modern film such as Tmax100 or Tmax400
: others
: might prefer Tri-x.
:
: Those are not PRESS FILMS. Press films had certain characteristics
: that made them suitable for that kind of work. Tri-X Pan (ISO 400) is
: similar to the typical press film of the past, but it's not available
: in sheet film.
:
: What, exactly, is a PRESS FILM? Please spell it out.

: It's all about the characteristic curve and double-coating. Press
: films had to have extra latitude to cope with the needs of press work
: with Graflexes and flashbulbs. Exposure was a hit-and-miss affair. All
: you could hope for was 'close' with Al Capone rushing from the
: courtroom. So, press films were double-coated to give more latitude.

How does that differ from any other type of press of "street" photography?

It's a well known fact that your "photography" involves guessing at exposure and
the focus. How do you get by without the old press films??
--




Keep working millions on welfare depend on you
-------------------