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  #91  
Old May 12th 17, 02:50 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/12/2017 4:08 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Fri, 12 May 2017 03:58:23 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , David B.
wrote:


One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why
people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I
think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first
time.

macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive,
whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system
on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any
changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the
internet to a blank hard drive.

there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed
(and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a
separate emergency boot disk.


Same with windows.
[....]

I don't think you are right about that, Peter, but I'm no computer expert.

Perhaps someone else reading here will make further comment.


he isn't.


There is a system partition used for recovery, but I don't know how
it's used. You sure can't boot from it.

This article covers that very subject. Is it easier with a Mac? I don't
know, but I will not participate in a tool war.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/32523/how-to-manually-repair-windows-7-boot-loader-problems/


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  #92  
Old May 12th 17, 03:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/12/2017 4:48 AM, nospam wrote:
however, the point was that you can't easily clone a
windows drive and then from that clone or move it from machine to
machine, at least not without a *lot* of mucking around (although less
now than it used to be). windows *really* wants to be c:


I do it all the time. Just make an image of your disk. Its easy if you
know how. Go nospam, keep touting Apple. My stock will only go up.


Shall I tell you how to make a bootable USB thumb drive, in windows. But
then, you would rather start a tool war, than discuss the specifics of
photography, with examples. I, and most of us here are primarily
interested in improving our photography. I said I will not get into a
tool war, but that doesn't mean I will let you get away with spreading
misinformation. We have enough of that coming from the White House.




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  #93  
Old May 12th 17, 03:50 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/12/2017 3:12 AM, David B. wrote:
On 11/05/2017 18:23, PeterN wrote:
On 5/11/2017 12:04 PM, David B. wrote:
On 11/05/2017 14:35, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-05-11 13:19:43 +0000, "David B."
said:

On 11/05/2017 13:46, Savageduck wrote:
On 2017-05-11 07:31:32 +0000, Bill W said:

He's probably smart...

He is an old P-47 & P-38 fighter pilot who survived two tours in
WWII. So he is pretty smart.

He's certainly is most fortunate to still be here!

Are you aware of THIS place?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambri...y_and_Memorial


I wasn't until now. Thanks for that bit of information.

You are welcome. Following all the trauma of organizing my son's
funeral, we had a 'spare' day. My wife and I went to visit Cambridge
for
the very first time in our lives - and took a ride on an open-top tour
bus. After reviewing the various universities, the bus left the city
and
eventually stopped outside the American Cemetery. We were invited to
leave the bus and go and explore - but we simply could not, knowing so
poignantly how much sadness the parents of those young men must have
felt.


I am really sorry to hear that. You and your wife have gone through
the worst possible experience.


I appreciate your understanding.

Thank you, Peter.

I am sorry also to be hearing about this David. I have no words and I
certainly cannot put myself in your shoes.

  #94  
Old May 12th 17, 05:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article ,
Whisky-dave wrote:


Do you know what processes occur if/when one uses 'First Aid' (Disk
Utility)?

Can it REALLY fix things which are wrong?

Of course but then again it does depend what is wrong.

I was thinking about being attacked by malware.


think about other things, namely not opening links or attachments in
emails or running software from unknown sources. if you do that, then
you don't need to worry about malware.


I'm not sure that's true anymore was reeading about handbrake and how for a
day or two the auto update installed malware on a Mac, not sure it caused
problems as I have't looked more deeply into it, that sort of thing is a
sunday job for when I have my cruicifx around my neck ;-)


handbrake is not codesigned. apps that aren't codesigned can be hacked.
the bad guys took advantage of that.

plus, the bad guys hacked the creators of handbrake, not the end user.
  #95  
Old May 12th 17, 05:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why
people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I
think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first
time.

macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive,
whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system
on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any
changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the
internet to a blank hard drive.

there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed
(and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a
separate emergency boot disk.


Same with windows.

[....]

I don't think you are right about that, Peter, but I'm no computer expert.

Perhaps someone else reading here will make further comment.


All I can say, is that I have those features on the last three Windows
machines I bought. The latest was in February of this year.


no you don't.
  #96  
Old May 12th 17, 05:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
nospam
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In article , PeterN
wrote:

however, the point was that you can't easily clone a
windows drive and then from that clone or move it from machine to
machine, at least not without a *lot* of mucking around (although less
now than it used to be). windows *really* wants to be c:


I do it all the time. Just make an image of your disk. Its easy if you
know how. Go nospam, keep touting Apple. My stock will only go up.


take that image and boot it on the same computer (where it would be
something other than c or better yet, boot another computer entirely,
where the hardware is completely different.

trivial on a mac. not so trivial on windows.

Shall I tell you how to make a bootable USB thumb drive, in windows. But
then, you would rather start a tool war, than discuss the specifics of
photography, with examples. I, and most of us here are primarily
interested in improving our photography. I said I will not get into a
tool war, but that doesn't mean I will let you get away with spreading
misinformation. We have enough of that coming from the White House.


the only one spreading misinformation is you.
  #97  
Old May 12th 17, 05:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , PeterN
wrote:


One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why
people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I
think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first
time.

macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive,
whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system
on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any
changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the
internet to a blank hard drive.

there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed
(and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a
separate emergency boot disk.


Same with windows.
[....]

I don't think you are right about that, Peter, but I'm no computer expert.

Perhaps someone else reading here will make further comment.

he isn't.


There is a system partition used for recovery, but I don't know how
it's used. You sure can't boot from it.

This article covers that very subject. Is it easier with a Mac?


*much* easier.

you keep ignoring that it's trivial to boot from any device on a mac
and always has been.

I don't
know, but I will not participate in a tool war.


it's not a war. it's a simple description of how things work.

the only one trying to cause a war is *you*.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/32523/how-to-manually-repair-windows-7-boot-loader-problems/

  #98  
Old May 12th 17, 05:48 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
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On Fri, 12 May 2017 09:50:44 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 5/12/2017 4:08 AM, Bill W wrote:
On Fri, 12 May 2017 03:58:23 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , David B.
wrote:


One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why
people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I
think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first
time.

macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive,
whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system
on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any
changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the
internet to a blank hard drive.

there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed
(and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a
separate emergency boot disk.


Same with windows.
[....]

I don't think you are right about that, Peter, but I'm no computer expert.

Perhaps someone else reading here will make further comment.

he isn't.


There is a system partition used for recovery, but I don't know how
it's used. You sure can't boot from it.

This article covers that very subject. Is it easier with a Mac? I don't
know, but I will not participate in a tool war.

https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/32523/how-to-manually-repair-windows-7-boot-loader-problems/


I saw that article, and it was useless. Many steps are missing, at
least for my PC. Bootrec was only one of several commands and other
steps that were needed. If that article works for anyone, they are
very lucky.

The other huge issue that I mentioned in another post is that the
recovery disk you can get from MS gives you a choice between copying
it to a USB drive, or to a DVD. You would think that the two choices
give you the exact same files, but they didn't for me. After wasting
hours using the USB drive, I finally burned it to a DVD, and the
failed commands finally worked. But the method in that article you
cited still was of no help.

If you're curious, this is what was needed:
Use Diskpart for the following:
remove drive letters from system partitions - might
need to make them inactive.
Assign drive letter C to Windows partition.
Make C: active.
Exit Diskpart.

Type these commands:
bcdboot c:\windows
bootrec /fixmbr
bootrec /fixboot
bootrec /rebuildbcd

It took a very long time to find this fix with Google. And like I
said, the most critical commands above did not work with the USB
drive.

I'm going to guess that this is considerably more work than what Apple
needs.
  #99  
Old May 12th 17, 06:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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On 5/12/2017 12:45 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

however, the point was that you can't easily clone a
windows drive and then from that clone or move it from machine to
machine, at least not without a *lot* of mucking around (although less
now than it used to be). windows *really* wants to be c:


I do it all the time. Just make an image of your disk. Its easy if you
know how. Go nospam, keep touting Apple. My stock will only go up.


take that image and boot it on the same computer (where it would be
something other than c


I cannot see why I would want to.

or better yet, boot another computer entirely,
where the hardware is completely different.


That would not be legal. Yes I know with Apple it is. If I want to get a
new machine, I buy the O/S. simple as that.

trivial on a mac. not so trivial on windows.


Not trivial if you know how. think Gordian knot.
Think Columbus and eggs.

Shall I tell you how to make a bootable USB thumb drive, in windows. But
then, you would rather start a tool war, than discuss the specifics of
photography, with examples. I, and most of us here are primarily
interested in improving our photography. I said I will not get into a
tool war, but that doesn't mean I will let you get away with spreading
misinformation. We have enough of that coming from the White House.


the only one spreading misinformation is you.


So you say.
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  #100  
Old May 12th 17, 06:02 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
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On Fri, 12 May 2017 12:45:12 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , PeterN
wrote:

One of the last things I said to them was, " I guess this is why
people move to Apple". It might be a couple of years, but next time I
think I need something new, I will be looking at them for the first
time.

macs don't care if they're booted from internal or external drive,
whether it's usb, firewire, thunderbolt or sata. as long as the system
on the drive is compatible with the mac, it will boot, without any
changes necessary. they can even boot and install macos over the
internet to a blank hard drive.

there is also a recovery partition, which is automatically installed
(and is used for more than just recovery), so you don't actually need a
separate emergency boot disk.


Same with windows.
[....]

I don't think you are right about that, Peter, but I'm no computer expert.

Perhaps someone else reading here will make further comment.


All I can say, is that I have those features on the last three Windows
machines I bought. The latest was in February of this year.


no you don't.


Some mfr's put recovery ability on their PC's in a partition or drive,
but they are of no use whatsoever if you cannot boot the thing. To me,
their files just take up space, and are probably duplicates of what
Windows already does.
 




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