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Old May 29th 04, 11:35 PM
jjs
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In article ,
dy (Bill Hilton) wrote:

From:
(jjs)

To be sure of the last - might it be okay to use virtually _lossless_ JPEG
format is adequate? (I mean JPEG format but with little to no
compression)?


Hi John,

Wrong NG for THAT discussion (grin) ... but yes, low compression jpeg is fine,
with little image quality loss *until* you start to make many edits and

saves.

Yep. Wrong group, and certainly I know the liabilites of saving,
re-opening and saving JPEGs over and over. I was a mature adult when JPEG
was invented.

And if your exposure or white balance is off to start with you're better off
making the first level of corrections when doing the RAW conversion.


Noted! (But don't digital photographers use color correcting filters? )

Earlier I said I abhor digital, but part of my job is digital video. White
balance, pixels (and shape of them), all that is quite familiar. I was
speaking of digital stills which I don't do except to spew a quick
informal image to the net.

If you're curious about this and want to see for yourself send me an email
(change .comedy to the obvious) and if you want to send me a blank CD and
postage I'll send you a 1Ds RAW file, a free trial version of the Capture One
program I use to convert to tiff [...]


That's very generous of you, Bill. Let me check back in three weeks when I
return to work. Yes, I'm finally on vacation, after years. (pardon my
delirum!)
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Old May 30th 04, 12:29 AM
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Q.G. de Bakker wrote:



The size of the camera doesn't matter. I've taken some shots with a $80

P&S
olympus stylus 35mm f2.8 that no one could tell from an expencive SLR.

Even
some of my old folding 35mm's with tessar/color skopar lenses produce
fine results.


This particular question is about the size of the film, not the size of
the camera, isn't it? ;-)


I thought he was worried we wouldn't take him seriously if he wasn't
comparing an F5 to 120 cameras.

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Old May 30th 04, 12:32 AM
Stacey
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jjs wrote:

In article ,
craigatcraigschroederdotcom wrote:

Consider making a committment to the format and buying something like
the folding Fuji 645. Superb optics, accurate meter and easily slips
into a coat pocket. [...]


I just checked www.keh.com and they are reasonable. Question - do you, or
have you actually used the cameras in question? How rugged are they, and
do they use conventional batteries?



The problem these have is the bellows are poor quality and fail quickly. I
know a couple of people who own these and both had to have the bellows
replaced early in their life. If you use someone else's bellows (like
camerabellows.com) you should only have to do this once. Besides that they
work great.

Stephe
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Old May 30th 04, 12:34 AM
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jjs wrote:



Weigh some loaded 35mm pro cameras before you say that 120s are always
heavier.


Exactly. Many of the 645 SLR's are no heavier or bigger than a automagic
35mm SLR. I have several folders that are as small as a 35mm P&S.

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Old June 1st 04, 07:06 PM
Tim Smith
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"Norman Worth" wrote:

camera. There are still several excellent medium format cameras that are
not too big and have features comparable to a 35. You might look at the
Bronica 645, the Fuji GA645Zi and the Mamaiya 7II as examples.


As a 35mm shooter (RF and SLR) all my life, I recently got a Mamiya
7II. The larger format (6x7) and the superb quality of the Mamiya
lenses help make some really outstanding images.

Even if you have 35mm RF experience, a Mamiya 7 takes some getting
used to (the hairtrigger shutter release and the more awkward film
loading, for examples). But if you don't mind a RF, and aren't doing
tele or macro work, this is an excellent camera. Just as light, and
not much bigger than the top-of-the-line 35mm SLRs (F5s, etc.). But
not really compact in the original poster's sense.

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Old June 1st 04, 10:47 PM
Bob Monaghan
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see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/weights.html - a number of well regarded and
affordable MF cameras have modest weight factors, as the chart shows.

my personal favorite MF travel camera is the veriwide 100, which is a
stunning 6x10cm huge negative panoramic camera (equiv. to 18+mm lens on
35mm SLR in coverage) yet weighs only 34 oz (1 kg+) and is 4x6x3" in size
- and super rugged hocky puck construction, in daylight, if you can't
reach out and touch it, it is in focus ;-) see info at
http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/veriwide.html

hth bobm
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Old June 2nd 04, 01:53 AM
Bob Monaghan
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the cameras aren't common, and the f/5.6 is more $$; they show up now and
again, but I suspect a number were bought since you can buy the camera
plus shutter and lens focusing mount plus rest of the camera for less than
the lens and shutter alone at many dealers? But you probably wouldn't have
to wait more than a month or so to find one on EBAY or online? They seem
to come in droves; I think folks see the listing, and the prices offered,
and then go to the closet and pull 'em out for ebay listing? ;p) ;-)

Your brooks version has the great advantage of having interchangeable
backs, including ground glass and polaroids IIRC etc., which is handy if
you want to use various film types or speeds (color print, slides, B&W;
100 ISO, 400 ISO etc.). Plus it is faster and better/later lens design.
The f/8 really wants to be at f/11-16 for best performance, which is very
good. This isn't the camera for fast or low light shots; the hassy 38mm
biogon is very usable at f/4.5+ with little quality loss - amazing kit ;-)

The hassy superwide SWC/M is another great travel camera, except it looks
far more valuable than the Plaubel Veriwide (which looks like grandpa's
old camera and worth $25? ;-) Of course, you can tell I like landscapes
and cityscapes. The hassy also does closeup work well, if you have the
accessory ground glass back and chimney finder setup, but best for flat
documents copying as the DOF is still minimal and very low distortion ;-)

The polaroid bodies adapted for rollfilm use are another nifty rollfilm
camera option, but pricey as custom conversions etc. If the spun off
polaroid entities bring out a 120 rollfilm camera with their usual lenses
(and even an AF folder or SLR seems possible, cf. Captiva bodies ;-), then
we could have a whole new "retro" renaissance in MF folders (cf 35mm RF
;-)

grins bobm
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Old June 2nd 04, 10:29 AM
David Kilpatrick
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Bob Monaghan wrote:

see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/weights.html - a number of well regarded and
affordable MF cameras have modest weight factors, as the chart shows.

my personal favorite MF travel camera is the veriwide 100, which is a
stunning 6x10cm huge negative panoramic camera (equiv. to 18+mm lens on
35mm SLR in coverage) yet weighs only 34 oz (1 kg+) and is 4x6x3" in size
- and super rugged hocky puck construction, in daylight, if you can't
reach out and touch it, it is in focus ;-) see info at
http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/veriwide.html



Great old cameras - I used an original Veriwide for a few years. The
replacement was a Plaubel Makina 55W, the 55mm f4.5 Nikkor lensed modern
camera, which was excellent but nothing like as compact or wide in view.
After that, Hasselblad SWC for a while - very convenient and probably
the best optically - then down to a Fuji G645W with 45mm lens on 645 -
no way even beginning to match angles.

One of the best not-so-small compromises was a Mamiya Press Super 23 -
the later model - with their excellent 50mm f6.3 wide-angle on 6 x 9cm.
On testing this lens, I found it had been designed to cover a sheet film
format slightly smaller than 5 x 4; we obtained a Mamiya bayonet mount
from the Mamiya agents in Britain, had this mount professional set into
a recessed lens panel for the Cambo 5 x 4 system we were using at the
time, and used the 50mm Mamiya lens as an ultrawide which covered a
square 'SWC-like' 4 x 4 area in the middle of the 5 x 4 sheet - perfectly.

We later tried the same with the 65mm Mamiya lens after making up this
panel, and its coverage was nowhere as good as the 50mm.

The 50mm would have been a good lens for 6 x 9cm with movements had
Mamiya ever bothered to let the back on the press camera rise/cross. Our
press cameras were always late Super 23s which had the extending,
tilt/swing capable bellows in the back. This enabled landscapes with
incredible foreground effects - stuff in focus from six inches to
infinity - using the 50mm.

David
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