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portable (smallest) 120mm camera?
Q.G. de Bakker wrote:
The size of the camera doesn't matter. I've taken some shots with a $80 P&S olympus stylus 35mm f2.8 that no one could tell from an expencive SLR. Even some of my old folding 35mm's with tessar/color skopar lenses produce fine results. This particular question is about the size of the film, not the size of the camera, isn't it? ;-) I thought he was worried we wouldn't take him seriously if he wasn't comparing an F5 to 120 cameras. -- Stacey |
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portable (smallest) 120mm camera?
jjs wrote:
In article , craigatcraigschroederdotcom wrote: Consider making a committment to the format and buying something like the folding Fuji 645. Superb optics, accurate meter and easily slips into a coat pocket. [...] I just checked www.keh.com and they are reasonable. Question - do you, or have you actually used the cameras in question? How rugged are they, and do they use conventional batteries? The problem these have is the bellows are poor quality and fail quickly. I know a couple of people who own these and both had to have the bellows replaced early in their life. If you use someone else's bellows (like camerabellows.com) you should only have to do this once. Besides that they work great. Stephe -- Stacey |
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jjs wrote:
Weigh some loaded 35mm pro cameras before you say that 120s are always heavier. Exactly. Many of the 645 SLR's are no heavier or bigger than a automagic 35mm SLR. I have several folders that are as small as a 35mm P&S. -- Stacey |
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"Norman Worth" wrote:
camera. There are still several excellent medium format cameras that are not too big and have features comparable to a 35. You might look at the Bronica 645, the Fuji GA645Zi and the Mamaiya 7II as examples. As a 35mm shooter (RF and SLR) all my life, I recently got a Mamiya 7II. The larger format (6x7) and the superb quality of the Mamiya lenses help make some really outstanding images. Even if you have 35mm RF experience, a Mamiya 7 takes some getting used to (the hairtrigger shutter release and the more awkward film loading, for examples). But if you don't mind a RF, and aren't doing tele or macro work, this is an excellent camera. Just as light, and not much bigger than the top-of-the-line 35mm SLRs (F5s, etc.). But not really compact in the original poster's sense. |
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see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/weights.html - a number of well regarded and affordable MF cameras have modest weight factors, as the chart shows. my personal favorite MF travel camera is the veriwide 100, which is a stunning 6x10cm huge negative panoramic camera (equiv. to 18+mm lens on 35mm SLR in coverage) yet weighs only 34 oz (1 kg+) and is 4x6x3" in size - and super rugged hocky puck construction, in daylight, if you can't reach out and touch it, it is in focus ;-) see info at http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/veriwide.html hth bobm -- ************************************************** ********************* * Robert Monaghan POB 752182 Southern Methodist Univ. Dallas Tx 75275 * ********************Standard Disclaimers Apply************************* |
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the cameras aren't common, and the f/5.6 is more $$; they show up now and again, but I suspect a number were bought since you can buy the camera plus shutter and lens focusing mount plus rest of the camera for less than the lens and shutter alone at many dealers? But you probably wouldn't have to wait more than a month or so to find one on EBAY or online? They seem to come in droves; I think folks see the listing, and the prices offered, and then go to the closet and pull 'em out for ebay listing? ;p) ;-) Your brooks version has the great advantage of having interchangeable backs, including ground glass and polaroids IIRC etc., which is handy if you want to use various film types or speeds (color print, slides, B&W; 100 ISO, 400 ISO etc.). Plus it is faster and better/later lens design. The f/8 really wants to be at f/11-16 for best performance, which is very good. This isn't the camera for fast or low light shots; the hassy 38mm biogon is very usable at f/4.5+ with little quality loss - amazing kit ;-) The hassy superwide SWC/M is another great travel camera, except it looks far more valuable than the Plaubel Veriwide (which looks like grandpa's old camera and worth $25? ;-) Of course, you can tell I like landscapes and cityscapes. The hassy also does closeup work well, if you have the accessory ground glass back and chimney finder setup, but best for flat documents copying as the DOF is still minimal and very low distortion ;-) The polaroid bodies adapted for rollfilm use are another nifty rollfilm camera option, but pricey as custom conversions etc. If the spun off polaroid entities bring out a 120 rollfilm camera with their usual lenses (and even an AF folder or SLR seems possible, cf. Captiva bodies ;-), then we could have a whole new "retro" renaissance in MF folders (cf 35mm RF ;-) grins bobm -- ************************************************** ********************* * Robert Monaghan POB 752182 Southern Methodist Univ. Dallas Tx 75275 * ********************Standard Disclaimers Apply************************* |
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Bob Monaghan wrote: see http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/weights.html - a number of well regarded and affordable MF cameras have modest weight factors, as the chart shows. my personal favorite MF travel camera is the veriwide 100, which is a stunning 6x10cm huge negative panoramic camera (equiv. to 18+mm lens on 35mm SLR in coverage) yet weighs only 34 oz (1 kg+) and is 4x6x3" in size - and super rugged hocky puck construction, in daylight, if you can't reach out and touch it, it is in focus ;-) see info at http://medfmt.8k.com/mf/veriwide.html Great old cameras - I used an original Veriwide for a few years. The replacement was a Plaubel Makina 55W, the 55mm f4.5 Nikkor lensed modern camera, which was excellent but nothing like as compact or wide in view. After that, Hasselblad SWC for a while - very convenient and probably the best optically - then down to a Fuji G645W with 45mm lens on 645 - no way even beginning to match angles. One of the best not-so-small compromises was a Mamiya Press Super 23 - the later model - with their excellent 50mm f6.3 wide-angle on 6 x 9cm. On testing this lens, I found it had been designed to cover a sheet film format slightly smaller than 5 x 4; we obtained a Mamiya bayonet mount from the Mamiya agents in Britain, had this mount professional set into a recessed lens panel for the Cambo 5 x 4 system we were using at the time, and used the 50mm Mamiya lens as an ultrawide which covered a square 'SWC-like' 4 x 4 area in the middle of the 5 x 4 sheet - perfectly. We later tried the same with the 65mm Mamiya lens after making up this panel, and its coverage was nowhere as good as the 50mm. The 50mm would have been a good lens for 6 x 9cm with movements had Mamiya ever bothered to let the back on the press camera rise/cross. Our press cameras were always late Super 23s which had the extending, tilt/swing capable bellows in the back. This enabled landscapes with incredible foreground effects - stuff in focus from six inches to infinity - using the 50mm. David http://www.freelancephotographer.co.uk/ |
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