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Kodak and Fuji discontinues reversal paper ( OT but still photography)
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"MikeWhy" wrote: I heard on the grapevine but haven't confirmed with first sources yet, that Kodak and Fuji both stopped producing reversal papers. Ilford continues to make Ilfochrome. The rationale is that Type R prints, direct positive, have always been problematic and inferior to neg-pos processes. Whether you like it or not, scanning appears to be not only superior to direct wet prints, it will be the only way forward. Moose, I can mix up my own chemistry from a cookbook, but it doesn't do any good without the paper to print on. Politely Mike; You don't know sh*t from shinola. (At least in this case).... there that sounds nicer. RA4 is not a Reversal process. Its a negative to positive process and is used in Lambda & Light jet machines. You can only mix chemistry if you can get the components. R3000 is a positive to positive process, and since its not imaged to in any great amount,....especially using Lambdas &Lightjets it has a very limited use. Only optical printers are typically used to print on it. I believe Kodak R3000 was discontinued about 2 years ago. |
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Kodak and Fuji discontinues reversal paper ( OT but still photography)
"Any Moose Poster" wrote in message
... Politely Mike; You don't know sh*t from shinola. (At least in this case).... there that sounds nicer. And I'll quote it for the archives, so I won't forget who said what to whom. RA4 is not a Reversal process. I never said it was. You can only mix chemistry if you can get the components. Thanks. I'll add that to my book of little known facts. I believe Kodak R3000 was discontinued about 2 years ago. Not surprisingly in the least. Apparently, R-3 followed suit: http://www.kodak.com/global/en/profe...2410/e2410.jht ml?id=0.1.16.14.28.54.36.16.3&lc=en |
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Kodak and Fuji discontinues reversal paper ( OT but still photography)
"Ralf R. Radermacher" wrote in message ... MikeWhy wrote: I heard on the grapevine but haven't confirmed with first sources yet, that Kodak and Fuji both stopped producing reversal papers. Anyone to second my request to open rec.photo.equipment.the-sky-is-falling? http://www.kodak.com/global/en/profe...2410/e2410.jht ml?id=0.1.16.14.28.54.36.16.3&lc=en -Discontinuance of KODAK PROFESSIONAL EKTACHROME RADIANCE III Papers and Materials and KODAK EKTACHROME R-3 Chemicals- Alternative options for image capture and output have gradually eliminated the need for PROFESSIONAL EKTACHROME RADIANCE III Papers and Materials as well as chemicals for Process R-3. Therefore, dependent on individual country and market requirements, Kodak will discontinue these products as inventories are exhausted. Technology has made the option of scanning, manipulating, and outputting images directly to traditional color paper very popular, and photographers are increasingly using color negative film and digital cameras for image capture. Producing positive prints, even from transparencies, for image display no longer requires the use of RADIANCE Papers and Materials. Thank you for using KODAK PROFESSIONAL Products. |
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Kodak and Fuji discontinues reversal paper ( OT but still photography)
MikeWhy wrote:
I heard on the grapevine but haven't confirmed with first sources yet, that Kodak and Fuji both stopped producing reversal papers. Ilford continues to make Ilfochrome. The rationale is that Type R prints, direct positive, have always been problematic and inferior to neg-pos processes. Whether you like it or not, scanning appears to be not only superior to direct wet prints, it will be the only way forward. You're right and this is why I tell people if you want prints, shoot print film... I doubt they are going to get rid of RA-4 since that's what they print digital stuff on as well. Those "type R" prints have always been ugly IMHO, good ridance! As you said ilfochrome is still around and it is the best of this type paper anyway. -- Stacey |
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"Stacey" wrote in message
... Raphael Bustin wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2004 19:19:00 GMT, Any Moose Poster wrote: In article , Raphael Bustin wrote: I think I've shown on my "scan comparison" site that a good film scan holds its own against optical prints made with moderate skill in a home darkroom. Depends on d the film original, the scanner, the printer etc. Highly subjective. Well, that's why I asked my lab -- very well known and respected around these parts -- if they'd do an optical print for me. Their response was, "Huh? Who does optical prints these days?" See Mikes post, it's about how long it takes to do it. Digital is faster and easier for them to do, that's why they like them so much! I'm sure that drives the commercial decision. However, while there can be (and is!) much debate as to which is better at small to moderate enlargement, for really big prints digital printing seems to have the edge. I'm talking about laser output to real photographic paper here, though iris prints and similar have their place too. (I rather like Epson Archival Matte for some things, and that's a hard effect to duplicate with photo paper.) This actually makes sense, since a laser outputter scales up without all the issues that accrue as an enlarging lens is moved ever further form the paper and/or has to be of ever wider angle. The lab I use for exhibition prints does wonderful 30" square (or more, but I seldom want more) prints with a Durst Lambda, for which I like Kodak Endura Metallic paper. Ilfochromes are wonderful, but at smaller sizes the difference is not that great, and as size increases the Lambda (or Light Jet) results are sharper to my eye. Peter |
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Kodak and Fuji discontinues reversal paper ( OT but stillphotography)
This is good news for Ilford. I didn't even know Kodak had a reversal paper.
Fuji's was good but I believe you needed a machine to process it. R-prints are archival but not as good as prints made from negatives. I also believe they are superior to prints made from digital files but are much more costly - that's why I switched over to scanning. MikeWhy wrote: I heard on the grapevine but haven't confirmed with first sources yet, that Kodak and Fuji both stopped producing reversal papers. Ilford continues to make Ilfochrome. The rationale is that Type R prints, direct positive, have always been problematic and inferior to neg-pos processes. Whether you like it or not, scanning appears to be not only superior to direct wet prints, it will be the only way forward. Moose, I can mix up my own chemistry from a cookbook, but it doesn't do any good without the paper to print on. "MikeWhy" wrote in message news "Any Moose Poster" wrote in message ... RA4? What the hell is RA3? Chromes? Like Ciba? or E6? WTF are you spewing. That would be R-3, 3000. Ilfochrome, Fujichrome. Clumsy of me. I can understand the spoting part, but the sharpness is relative and usually a wet print, imaged optically wins,.....(this comming from alot printing experience - 22 years) And a wet behind the ears high school dropout can drive Photoshop just as well, faster, and more cheaply. I'm not denigrating you or your craft. Contrast and color cross-over are serious problems with wet printing. They don't amount to anything worth mentioning in digital. Most good "wetlabs" retain the old and buy into the new.. My lab one of the biggest in Balt, does both. Maybe that will have to change but the same papers are used for both,.......the issue I see happening will be where to get chemistry,...not paper. Wetlabs retain the old because of a few luddite dinosaurs like me. With 22 years in the business, you're a young guy yet. What will you do in the next 20 years before they put you out to pasture? |
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On Sat, 22 May 2004 17:35:37 +0100, "Bandicoot"
wrote: "Stacey" wrote in message ... Raphael Bustin wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2004 19:19:00 GMT, Any Moose Poster wrote: In article , Raphael Bustin wrote: I think I've shown on my "scan comparison" site that a good film scan holds its own against optical prints made with moderate skill in a home darkroom. Depends on d the film original, the scanner, the printer etc. Highly subjective. Well, that's why I asked my lab -- very well known and respected around these parts -- if they'd do an optical print for me. Their response was, "Huh? Who does optical prints these days?" See Mikes post, it's about how long it takes to do it. Digital is faster and easier for them to do, that's why they like them so much! I'm sure that drives the commercial decision. However, while there can be (and is!) much debate as to which is better at small to moderate enlargement, for really big prints digital printing seems to have the edge. I'm talking about laser output to real photographic paper here, though iris prints and similar have their place too. (I rather like Epson Archival Matte for some things, and that's a hard effect to duplicate with photo paper.) This actually makes sense, since a laser outputter scales up without all the issues that accrue as an enlarging lens is moved ever further form the paper and/or has to be of ever wider angle. The lab I use for exhibition prints does wonderful 30" square (or more, but I seldom want more) prints with a Durst Lambda, for which I like Kodak Endura Metallic paper. Ilfochromes are wonderful, but at smaller sizes the difference is not that great, and as size increases the Lambda (or Light Jet) results are sharper to my eye. Even at 8x10", I'm quite happy in most cases with prints off my Canon S9000. Lightjet and Lambda are really beautiful, but a well tuned and profiled Epson wide-format printer isn't far behind. Yes, with a loupe, you can always tell it's an inkjet print. But most folks don't buy art that way. When I scan 4x5 and print on my Epson 7000 at 24x30", you can see individual pine needles at thirty feet, and the tonality beats any Ciba print I've ever made. rafe b http://www.terrapinphoto.com |
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"jjs" wrote in message
... First, to put this On Topic: my wife and I are traveling very light on a cross-country trip, and I'm taking my SWC and Zeiss Ikonta 645 folder. But for her... The years haven't been kind to the eyes and she can't use the Olympus Pen-F anymore. She's looking for a point-n-shoot. Got any recommendations? Digital is okay, too. Ah, the good old Pen-F! We used them in our photo class in junior high! From half-frame 35mm to MF seems a giant leap though. Sure you don't want a 35mm replacement? |
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OT but still photography
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wrote: "jjs" wrote in message The years haven't been kind to the eyes and she can't use the Olympus Pen-F anymore. She's looking for a point-n-shoot. Got any recommendations? Digital is okay, too. Ah, the good old Pen-F! We used them in our photo class in junior high! From half-frame 35mm to MF seems a giant leap though. Sure you don't want a 35mm replacement? No. She's gone off in a different direction. So be it. |
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Go to a camera shop and try some consumer-grade digital cameras. You can
get very good vacation pictures without spending much money. If she likes the feel of the digital camera, buy some extra memory cards - it's fun to shoot with abandon when you know you're not spending a dime for film or processing until you have just the exact photo you want to print. "jjs" wrote in message ... In article , "steven" wrote: "jjs" wrote in message The years haven't been kind to the eyes and she can't use the Olympus Pen-F anymore. She's looking for a point-n-shoot. Got any recommendations? Digital is okay, too. Ah, the good old Pen-F! We used them in our photo class in junior high! From half-frame 35mm to MF seems a giant leap though. Sure you don't want a 35mm replacement? No. She's gone off in a different direction. So be it. |
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