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photo management software for Macs (OS X)
What programs are Mac OS X users using for managing their photos?
A friend was using iPhoto, and he cropped an image (intending to zoom) and when he moved on to the next image in the directory iPhoto automatically overwrote the original! Fortunately this wasn't an important image (a test shot in a series to determine how noisy his camera is when shooting long exposures in low light, a test he's going to repeat anyway), but IMHO this is NOT desired behavior for serious image management software. He also has C1-Pro and has given it a brief look. The "session" concept is a bit confusing and I'm not sure that this is ideal for his needs. What other software programs do Mac users suggest he should consider? jc |
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Look for the menu item - "Revert to Original" - the original was not
overwritten and you should be able to retrieve it at any time. I personally like iPhoto, but I'm using Windows now so I pretty much use photoshop for everything. Brian JC Dill wrote: What programs are Mac OS X users using for managing their photos? A friend was using iPhoto, and he cropped an image (intending to zoom) and when he moved on to the next image in the directory iPhoto automatically overwrote the original! Fortunately this wasn't an important image (a test shot in a series to determine how noisy his camera is when shooting long exposures in low light, a test he's going to repeat anyway), but IMHO this is NOT desired behavior for serious image management software. He also has C1-Pro and has given it a brief look. The "session" concept is a bit confusing and I'm not sure that this is ideal for his needs. What other software programs do Mac users suggest he should consider? jc |
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"Brian" wrote in message oups.com... Look for the menu item - "Revert to Original" - the original was not overwritten and you should be able to retrieve it at any time. I personally like iPhoto, but I'm using Windows now so I pretty much use photoshop for everything. It is nice for general stuff - i.e. wife/husband (insert your own sexual preferecne and technological bias here...) and kids using it However - RAW support (although now technically there) is patchy at best, and slow. For image import, slideshows etc it's OK - but not even good IMHO. Iview mediaPRO is OK, but expensive - and limited in certain bizarre ways. Photoshop is a different animal and is really an editor as opposed to an easy-use browser. I'd like an answer to this question as well. I've given iPhoto a fair shot, but for my (RAW) use, it still fails dismally. I hope they improve it soon. |
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adm wrote:
I'd like an answer to this question as well. I've given iPhoto a fair shot, but for my (RAW) use, it still fails dismally. I hope they improve it soon. I use iPhoto to catalogue and arrange my photos. It has a lot of power under the hood so to speak, if you can unearth it thought! One very powerfull feature is the 'smart album' feature which is just a custom search feature in DataBase terms. With this I can add comments to any photo and it will automatically appear in that smart album if a match is made. So, depending on the setup, a patricular shot can appear in multiple collections, say, in an album collecting beach scenes, blue sky scenes, etc. All without moving or duplicationg the original of course. Cratring custom slide shows for projection at particular events is very easy this way. I think of the 'Library' as a drawer full of individual film rolls which is fixed and unchanging - and I do the sorting and arranging with Smart Albums. I also really like the option to painlessly ordering prints to be delivered to friends and family without me having to use a printer myself - excellent service! There is a similar process for e-mailing reduced sized images as well. I find the slide-show process very painless - we often show friends our latest trip photos on the laptop this way, accompanied with music of our choice, this can then be authored as a Quicktime move or burnt onto DVD if need be, all very painless and quick. It is a little unfair to critisise iPhot for not being as good an editor as Photoshop, IPhoto is free, Photoshop is the most expensive image editor out there. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. My workflow is to use iPhoto to catalogue and arrange my work - but I have it setup so that when I double click on the image it opens Photoshop. I believe this is possible with RAW files as well. I can't test this out yet as iPhoto does not support my camera yet (dam!) but as soon as it does I will get iPhoto to store my RAW images, but produce the final print image or whatever usiing the RAW converter in Photoshop. I don't really like the Browser in Photoshop myself. I think the search for one programme to do everything is a long way off, so for me I am happy to use a few tools to get the job done. I hardly ever print out stuff these days, its mostly for screen viewing and projection to audiences in the main (like slides I guess!), and sometimes lots of trip photos printed on A3 to hang up in the house so we can see lots of images of our holidays at once - saves boring friends with paper photo albums! |
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On 3/10/05 3:10 AM, in article ,
"Keith" wrote: I use iPhoto to catalogue and arrange my photos. It has a lot of power under the hood so to speak, if you can unearth it thought! One very powerfull feature is the 'smart album' feature which is just a custom search feature in DataBase terms. With this I can add comments to any photo and it will automatically appear in that smart album if a match is made. So, depending on the setup, a patricular shot can appear in multiple collections, say, in an album collecting beach scenes, blue sky scenes, etc. All without moving or duplicationg the original of course. Cratring custom slide shows for projection at particular events is very easy this way. I think of the 'Library' as a drawer full of individual film rolls which is fixed and unchanging - and I do the sorting and arranging with Smart Albums. I also really like the option to painlessly ordering prints to be delivered to friends and family without me having to use a printer myself - excellent service! There is a similar process for e-mailing reduced sized images as well. I find the slide-show process very painless - we often show friends our latest trip photos on the laptop this way, accompanied with music of our choice, this can then be authored as a Quicktime move or burnt onto DVD if need be, all very painless and quick. It is a little unfair to critisise iPhot for not being as good an editor as Photoshop, IPhoto is free, Photoshop is the most expensive image editor out there. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. A couple of corrections: - iPhoto is not free. It *is* included with new Mac computers so in that sense could be considered 'free.' However if, for example, your Mac came with iPhoto 4 and you now want the new iPhoto 5 you have to purchase the whole iLife package at full retail, there is no discount of any kind for upgraders. My workflow is to use iPhoto to catalogue and arrange my work - but I have it setup so that when I double click on the image it opens Photoshop. I believe this is possible with RAW files as well. I can't test this out yet as iPhoto does not support my camera yet (dam!) but as soon as it does I will get iPhoto to store my RAW images, but produce the final print image or whatever usiing the RAW converter in Photoshop. I don't really like the Browser in Photoshop myself. It is possible to double click raw files in iPhoto 5 and have them open in Photoshop *but* (and this is a huge but) the file is converted to a jpeg by iPhoto before sending it to Photoshop. This negates most all of the advantages of shooting raw in the first place! I think the search for one programme to do everything is a long way off, so for me I am happy to use a few tools to get the job done. I hardly ever print out stuff these days, its mostly for screen viewing and projection to audiences in the main (like slides I guess!), and sometimes lots of trip photos printed on A3 to hang up in the house so we can see lots of images of our holidays at once - saves boring friends with paper photo albums! The above may sound like I don't like iPhoto but I actually think that it is a pretty good program. However, whoever thought that converting raws to jpegs in the process of sending them for editing should be retired from the iPhoto development team! Chuck |
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"M-M" wrote in message om... In article , "adm" wrote: I've given iPhoto a fair shot, but for my (RAW) use, it still fails dismally. Nikon View 6 has RAW support, and I don't believe you need a Nikon camera to use it. And it's free. I know. I have it already. And PSCS. Also, GraphicConverter is a Mac must-have. Got it too ! I'm just dissapointed in iPhoto becuase my wife and kids use it a lot and I would have liked them to be able to easily play with my RAW files as well as thier jpgs. |
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"Keith" wrote in message ... adm wrote: I'd like an answer to this question as well. I've given iPhoto a fair shot, but for my (RAW) use, it still fails dismally. I hope they improve it soon. I use iPhoto to catalogue and arrange my photos. It has a lot of power under the hood so to speak, if you can unearth it thought! That's what I have been trying to do. My wife and kids use it and I wanted to use it as a generic browser/viewer. One very powerfull feature is the 'smart album' feature which is just a custom search feature in DataBase terms. With this I can add comments to any photo and it will automatically appear in that smart album if a match is made. So, depending on the setup, a patricular shot can appear in multiple collections, say, in an album collecting beach scenes, blue sky scenes, etc. All without moving or duplicationg the original of course. Cratring custom slide shows for projection at particular events is very easy this way. I think of the 'Library' as a drawer full of individual film rolls which is fixed and unchanging - and I do the sorting and arranging with Smart Albums. I have the "film roll" concept. I want to be able to create specific directories for different reasons. To be honest, I have been playing with Picase 2 on the PC, and it does everything I want a browser to do.....iPhoto on thr Mac just sin't as good. Pity there's not a Mac OS X version of Picase or iPhotow would be in the bin. I also really like the option to painlessly ordering prints to be delivered to friends and family without me having to use a printer myself - excellent service! There is a similar process for e-mailing reduced sized images as well. I find the slide-show process very painless - we often show friends our latest trip photos on the laptop this way, accompanied with music of our choice, this can then be authored as a Quicktime move or burnt onto DVD if need be, all very painless and quick. It is a little unfair to critisise iPhot for not being as good an editor as Photoshop, IPhoto is free, Photoshop is the most expensive image editor out there. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. It's not free ! I had to buy a $3000 Mac..... And the upgrade to iLife 5 wasn't free either... Picasa was though ! My workflow is to use iPhoto to catalogue and arrange my work - but I have it setup so that when I double click on the image it opens Photoshop. Me too - with Picasa on the PC, and iPhoto (slowly) on the Mac. I believe this is possible with RAW files as well. I can't test this out yet as iPhoto does not support my camera yet (dam!) but as soon as it does I will get iPhoto to store my RAW images, but produce the final print image or whatever usiing the RAW converter in Photoshop. I don't really like the Browser in Photoshop myself. Me neither. iPhoto is SLOW with RAW files though if you want to browse large sized images. I think the search for one programme to do everything is a long way off, so for me I am happy to use a few tools to get the job done. I hardly ever print out stuff these days, its mostly for screen viewing and projection to audiences in the main (like slides I guess!), Same here. Don't get me worng - I like iPhoto, but this first version with RAW support is slow. Maybe it will improve. One wierd thing with iPhoto though - I can't seem to make it do slideshows in random order. sometimes lots of trip photos printed on A3 to hang up in the house so we can see lots of images of our holidays at once - saves boring friends with paper photo albums! |
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JC Dill wrote:
What programs are Mac OS X users using for managing their photos? A friend was using iPhoto, and he cropped an image (intending to zoom) and when he moved on to the next image in the directory iPhoto automatically overwrote the original! Fortunately this wasn't an important image (a test shot in a series to determine how noisy his camera is when shooting long exposures in low light, a test he's going to repeat anyway), but IMHO this is NOT desired behavior for serious image management software. iPhoto doesn't do that. It holds the original in a separate folder. That's how it reverts back to the original. In fact, for every photo you even look at in the edit window, there are two copies of the file on your hard drive. He also has C1-Pro and has given it a brief look. The "session" concept is a bit confusing and I'm not sure that this is ideal for his needs. What other software programs do Mac users suggest he should consider? iView Media or iView Media Pro. The pro version lets you manage EXIF and IPTC, among other things. GraphicConverter deserves mention, too. There are also a few bare-bones shareware/freeware image browsers out there, such as uAlbum. Search on versiontracker.com. |
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