Suitable camera device.

Lila Duncan wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:48:54 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

Lila Duncan wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:32:36 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

Lila Duncan wrote:
On 30 Sep 2004 10:05:47 -0700, Phil Stripling
wrote:

Lila Duncan writes:

My daughter's doing a graphic design course and I want to buy
her a digital camera as part of her required equipment. She got
a hand out from college that gave a list of suggested cameras
covering the whole price spectrum. I've spent some time
researching a selection of them and have ended up further away
from a decision than I was in the first place. :-\

Is part of the coursework expected by the professor that the
_students_ would do the research and actually make their own
decision based on what they determine to be their needs? Then the
students would have the parents cough up the dough, of course,
but the students would then profit by seeing how their selection
actually fit their criteria and whether their process of analysis
actually worked? And could be improved the next iteration?

Yes I expect there might be an element of those things, except for
the part about the parents coughing up, which is much more of a
total certainty. You should understand that even at the student
level, there is a lot to be said for the skills associated with
the delegation of responsibility. My daughter has to leave
college at 1:30 pm today and eat her lunch on the move while she
travels to work where she will be until 8:30pm. For her this is a
typical day during at least 6 days a week. Having such a
timetable would certainly encourage me to take what help I could
get, were I in that position.

Judging by the vast range of possible cameras suggested by the
college for use within this course, it's quite clear that the
main criterion is affordability for all, rather than suitability
for the work involved. This being the case, my daughters camera
will be selected with much more consideration for it's purpose
than might have been possible if the affordability issue was more
acute.

Congratulations Mr Stripling on showing how smart you are without
giving any useful information.
I've done some more research this evening and have been
considering the Canon Powershot S45, partly because it's the
first camera I've encountered, moving up the price range, that
has a RAW file output option. I've read several learned
discussions about the relative merits of JPEG, RAW and TIFF
without fully understanding them but I do feel that there's some
advantage in having the uncompressed file option.

Sh.

Your self expression is really coming on.

It's for your own good.

Well *you* will be the judge of that, won't you?
Or perhaps you're just a pompous prat.

So.

You render a judgement, I tell you a fact, and _I'm_ pompous?

Some people can't be helped. Strike that. *Won't* be helped.

Toodles.

--
Frank ess

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:04:40 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

Lila Duncan wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:48:54 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

Lila Duncan wrote:
On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:32:36 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

Lila Duncan wrote:
On 30 Sep 2004 10:05:47 -0700, Phil Stripling
wrote:

Lila Duncan writes:

My daughter's doing a graphic design course and I want to buy
her a digital camera as part of her required equipment. She got
a hand out from college that gave a list of suggested cameras
covering the whole price spectrum. I've spent some time
researching a selection of them and have ended up further away
from a decision than I was in the first place. :-\

Is part of the coursework expected by the professor that the
_students_ would do the research and actually make their own
decision based on what they determine to be their needs? Then the
students would have the parents cough up the dough, of course,
but the students would then profit by seeing how their selection
actually fit their criteria and whether their process of analysis
actually worked? And could be improved the next iteration?

Yes I expect there might be an element of those things, except for
the part about the parents coughing up, which is much more of a
total certainty. You should understand that even at the student
level, there is a lot to be said for the skills associated with
the delegation of responsibility. My daughter has to leave
college at 1:30 pm today and eat her lunch on the move while she
travels to work where she will be until 8:30pm. For her this is a
typical day during at least 6 days a week. Having such a
timetable would certainly encourage me to take what help I could
get, were I in that position.

Judging by the vast range of possible cameras suggested by the
college for use within this course, it's quite clear that the
main criterion is affordability for all, rather than suitability
for the work involved. This being the case, my daughters camera
will be selected with much more consideration for it's purpose
than might have been possible if the affordability issue was more
acute.

Congratulations Mr Stripling on showing how smart you are without
giving any useful information.
I've done some more research this evening and have been
considering the Canon Powershot S45, partly because it's the
first camera I've encountered, moving up the price range, that
has a RAW file output option. I've read several learned
discussions about the relative merits of JPEG, RAW and TIFF
without fully understanding them but I do feel that there's some
advantage in having the uncompressed file option.

Sh.

Your self expression is really coming on.

It's for your own good.

Well *you* will be the judge of that, won't you?
Or perhaps you're just a pompous prat.

So.

You render a judgement, I tell you a fact, and _I'm_ pompous?

I asked some reasonable questions of the subscribers to this newsgroup
and was condescended to by a couple of self proclaimed experts in the
field who hadn't got the civility to be helpful or abstain.

Some people can't be helped. Strike that. *Won't* be helped.

Did you attempt to answer any of my original questions helpfully, or
did you just take the opportunity to condescend?
--
Lila Duncan

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:32:36 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

Lila Duncan wrote:
On 30 Sep 2004 10:05:47 -0700, Phil Stripling
wrote:

Lila Duncan writes:

My daughter's doing a graphic design course and I want to buy her a
digital camera as part of her required equipment. She got a hand out
from college that gave a list of suggested cameras covering the
whole price spectrum. I've spent some time researching a selection
of them and have ended up further away from a decision than I was
in the first place. :-\

Is part of the coursework expected by the professor that the
_students_ would do the research and actually make their own
decision based on what they determine to be their needs? Then the
students would have the parents cough up the dough, of course, but
the students would then profit by seeing how their selection
actually fit their criteria and whether their process of analysis
actually worked? And could be improved the next iteration?

Yes I expect there might be an element of those things, except for the
part about the parents coughing up, which is much more of a total
certainty. You should understand that even at the student level, there
is a lot to be said for the skills associated with the delegation of
responsibility. My daughter has to leave college at 1:30 pm today and
eat her lunch on the move while she travels to work where she will be
until 8:30pm. For her this is a typical day during at least 6 days a
week. Having such a timetable would certainly encourage me to take
what help I could get, were I in that position.

Judging by the vast range of possible cameras suggested by the college
for use within this course, it's quite clear that the main criterion
is affordability for all, rather than suitability for the work
involved. This being the case, my daughters camera will be selected
with much more consideration for it's purpose than might have been
possible if the affordability issue was more acute.

Congratulations Mr Stripling on showing how smart you are without
giving any useful information.
I've done some more research this evening and have been considering
the Canon Powershot S45, partly because it's the first camera I've
encountered, moving up the price range, that has a RAW file output
option. I've read several learned discussions about the relative
merits of JPEG, RAW and TIFF without fully understanding them but I do
feel that there's some advantage in having the uncompressed file
option.

In the absence of any advice for or against this purchase I have just
bought the Canon Powershot S45. It may not be the perfect camera for
the intended purposes but I'm sure it'll be adequately useful and I
bought it as a refurbished model for 157.00 ukp including shipping, so
I think it's quite a good deal.
It's been fun discussing this with you. Cheerio
--
Lila Duncan

On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:32:36 -0700, "Frank ess"
wrote:

Lila Duncan wrote:
On 30 Sep 2004 10:05:47 -0700, Phil Stripling
wrote:

Lila Duncan writes:

My daughter's doing a graphic design course and I want to buy her a
digital camera as part of her required equipment. She got a hand out
from college that gave a list of suggested cameras covering the
whole price spectrum. I've spent some time researching a selection
of them and have ended up further away from a decision than I was
in the first place. :-\

Is part of the coursework expected by the professor that the
_students_ would do the research and actually make their own
decision based on what they determine to be their needs? Then the
students would have the parents cough up the dough, of course, but
the students would then profit by seeing how their selection
actually fit their criteria and whether their process of analysis
actually worked? And could be improved the next iteration?

Yes I expect there might be an element of those things, except for the
part about the parents coughing up, which is much more of a total
certainty. You should understand that even at the student level, there
is a lot to be said for the skills associated with the delegation of
responsibility. My daughter has to leave college at 1:30 pm today and
eat her lunch on the move while she travels to work where she will be
until 8:30pm. For her this is a typical day during at least 6 days a
week. Having such a timetable would certainly encourage me to take
what help I could get, were I in that position.

Judging by the vast range of possible cameras suggested by the college
for use within this course, it's quite clear that the main criterion
is affordability for all, rather than suitability for the work
involved. This being the case, my daughters camera will be selected
with much more consideration for it's purpose than might have been
possible if the affordability issue was more acute.

Congratulations Mr Stripling on showing how smart you are without
giving any useful information.
I've done some more research this evening and have been considering
the Canon Powershot S45, partly because it's the first camera I've
encountered, moving up the price range, that has a RAW file output
option. I've read several learned discussions about the relative
merits of JPEG, RAW and TIFF without fully understanding them but I do
feel that there's some advantage in having the uncompressed file
option.

In the absence of any advice for or against this purchase I have just
bought the Canon Powershot S45. It may not be the perfect camera for
the intended purposes but I'm sure it'll be adequately useful and I
bought it as a refurbished model for 157.00 ukp including shipping, so
I think it's quite a good deal.
It's been fun discussing this with you. Cheerio
--
Lila Duncan

Is part of the coursework expected by the professor that the

Jeeze....anybody ever hear of trimming? Ok....do you have to use a camera on
the list? I expect not. What do the cameras on the list have in common that
got them on the list....and what kept others off the list?

Using this information and including your own desires for RAW and control
and standard AA batteries....go to www.dpreview and do a database search for
the cameras that meet your needs.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare.asp

Just from what you mentioned...but without reguard to batteries....here are
some to look at.
Digital Cameras Comparison Results, 3 cameras
Criteria: Format: Compact, Price (street): US$ 1000, Release Status: Not
discontinued (current or upcoming), Sensor type: CCD, Manual Focus: Yes,
Built-in Flash: Yes, Aperture priority: Yes, Shutter priority: Yes, Storage
types: Compact Flash, Uncompressed format: RAW


Canon Power Shot S60 Canon PowerShot S70
Nikon Coolpix 8400

Oh darn it! I was working out a resonable reply ....but you already went
shopping. Have fun...just know that most cameras that are not bought on
price alone are good starter cameras. Most shooters will never need more.
For those who will want more...the first camera defines what we realy want
and need. Either way....something has to be the first one....so jump on in!

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:00:23 GMT, "Gene Palmiter"
wrote:

Is part of the coursework expected by the professor that the

Jeeze....anybody ever hear of trimming? Ok....do you have to use a camera on
the list? I expect not. What do the cameras on the list have in common that
got them on the list....and what kept others off the list?

As far as I can tell it was a wide range of digital cameras going from
inexpensive to expensive. It really seemed to be suggesting that
whatever the purchasing power of the student, there would be a
acceptable camera for use in the course.

Using this information and including your own desires for RAW and control
and standard AA batteries....go to www.dpreview and do a database search for
the cameras that meet your needs.
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/compare.asp

Just from what you mentioned...but without reguard to batteries....here are
some to look at.
Digital Cameras Comparison Results, 3 cameras
Criteria: Format: Compact, Price (street): US$ 1000, Release Status: Not
discontinued (current or upcoming), Sensor type: CCD, Manual Focus: Yes,
Built-in Flash: Yes, Aperture priority: Yes, Shutter priority: Yes, Storage
types: Compact Flash, Uncompressed format: RAW


Canon Power Shot S60 Canon PowerShot S70
Nikon Coolpix 8400

Thanks very much for the suggestions. I did compromise and bought a
camera with only some of the features I originally listed.
--
Lila Duncan

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 01:06:54 GMT, "Gene Palmiter"
wrote:

Oh darn it! I was working out a resonable reply ....but you already went
shopping. Have fun...just know that most cameras that are not bought on
price alone are good starter cameras. Most shooters will never need more.
For those who will want more...the first camera defines what we realy want
and need. Either way....something has to be the first one....so jump on in!

Thanks for the encouraging words. You make me feel that I've taken the
appropriate steps. Much appreciated

--
Lila Duncan