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Hi,
Bhphotovideo.com PCNation.com Newegg.com Buy.com JandR.com Have not had any problem with above vendors Rosita |
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Best Online camera shop?
Mapanari wrote:
"Andrew Koenig" wrotenews:tqYBc.115335$Gx4.24390@bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net: "Randy Stewart" wrote in message ... Although B&H is well regarded by most (others than me), in fact they do charge your card on order submission for back-ordered items. Although this is generally considered abusive, ask 'em; they will confirm and provide a "justification". In this context, the phrase "generally considered abusive" should be taken as no more than a rude way of saying "I don't like it". WOuld you pay your plumber in advance over the telephone if he promised to come, maybe, by next wednesday? Would you give your credit card number to your car mechanic on the phone and expect to be billed in advance? Charging your credit card before they ship the item is stealing. Plain and simple. In the business it's called "hammering" and it's a way to generate a large float with the bank which keeps the business from having to borrow money for operations from the bank at high interest rates. Hammering your credit card immediately is just another way of taking advantage of you. And in the case of BandH, I don't mind because I want such reputable purveyors happy in their business, so I can reap the benefit of their outstanding dependability, selection, and service. It's like paying property taxes: it's been quite a while since I used the local education system, but I am eager to support it because of its contribution to the stability and prosperity of the community. You pays you money and you makes you choice. -- Frank ess PS: Maybe someone can help me figure out exactly how much the five days between the $1,000 order and its delivery cost me on my 3.99% credit card bill (that I pay off at the end of the month, anyway)? |
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Mapanari wrote:
"Andrew Koenig" wrotenews:tqYBc.115335$Gx4.24390@bgtnsc04- news.ops.worldnet.att.net: "Randy Stewart" wrote in message ... Although B&H is well regarded by most (others than me), in fact they do charge your card on order submission for back-ordered items. Although this is generally considered abusive, ask 'em; they will confirm and provide a "justification". In this context, the phrase "generally considered abusive" should be taken as no more than a rude way of saying "I don't like it". WOuld you pay your plumber in advance over the telephone if he promised to come, maybe, by next wednesday? Would you give your credit card number to your car mechanic on the phone and expect to be billed in advance? Charging your credit card before they ship the item is stealing. Plain and simple. In the business it's called "hammering" and it's a way to generate a large float with the bank which keeps the business from having to borrow money for operations from the bank at high interest rates. Hammering your credit card immediately is just another way of taking advantage of you. And in the case of BandH, I don't mind because I want such reputable purveyors happy in their business, so I can reap the benefit of their outstanding dependability, selection, and service. It's like paying property taxes: it's been quite a while since I used the local education system, but I am eager to support it because of its contribution to the stability and prosperity of the community. You pays you money and you makes you choice. -- Frank ess PS: Maybe someone can help me figure out exactly how much the five days between the $1,000 order and its delivery cost me on my 3.99% credit card bill (that I pay off at the end of the month, anyway)? |
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Although B&H is well regarded by most
Thanks. (others than me), Not for lack of trying. in fact they do charge your card on order submission for back-ordered items. And we're always SCRUPULOUS about telling the customer this before the order's committed. Although this is generally considered abusive, Actually, it's considered "abusive" by a mere handful of individuals. The overwhelming majority don't seem to mind. Disappointing that someonw would so causally generalize like this though. ask 'em; they will confirm and provide a "justification".? Is it a "justification" or an explanation? Does it really make a difference? - -- regards, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video http://www.bhphotovideo.com |
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Charging your credit card before they ship the item is stealing. Plain and
simple. No, it's not. Taking someone's property without their permission is stealing. In the business it's called "hammering" I have to admit I have never heard this used in this contexct before and after a google search I coul;dn't come up with any hits. and it's a way to generate a large float with the bank which keeps the business from having to borrow money for operations from the bank at high interest rates. This is naive beyond belief. First, interest rates these days are below 1%, so even if this was a viable option, the returnb would be pennies. Second, the time and expense of managing an operation of this size makes it unwieldy and unprofitable, unless you're a bank or have nothing else to do all day. That lets most legit retailers out. Anyone who thinks a retailer who sells you a camera on Monday and doesn't ship it until Thursday is making big $$$ Tuesday and Wednesday is simply wrong. Plain and simple. - -- regards, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video http://www.bhphotovideo.com |
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Although B&H is well regarded by most
Thanks. (others than me), Not for lack of trying. in fact they do charge your card on order submission for back-ordered items. And we're always SCRUPULOUS about telling the customer this before the order's committed. Although this is generally considered abusive, Actually, it's considered "abusive" by a mere handful of individuals. The overwhelming majority don't seem to mind. Disappointing that someonw would so causally generalize like this though. ask 'em; they will confirm and provide a "justification".? Is it a "justification" or an explanation? Does it really make a difference? - -- regards, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video http://www.bhphotovideo.com |
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BandHPhoto wrote:
Charging your credit card before they ship the item is stealing. Plain and simple. No, it's not. Taking someone's property without their permission is stealing. In the business it's called "hammering" I have to admit I have never heard this used in this contexct before and after a google search I coul;dn't come up with any hits. and it's a way to generate a large float with the bank which keeps the business from having to borrow money for operations from the bank at high interest rates. This is naive beyond belief. First, interest rates these days are below 1%, so even if this was a viable option, the returnb would be pennies. Second, the time and expense of managing an operation of this size makes it unwieldy and unprofitable, unless you're a bank or have nothing else to do all day. That lets most legit retailers out. Anyone who thinks a retailer who sells you a camera on Monday and doesn't ship it until Thursday is making big $$$ Tuesday and Wednesday is simply wrong. Plain and simple. - -- regards, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video http://www.bhphotovideo.com It's not all that naive. Borrowing from the bank isn't the problem. Creditworthiness is the problem. It's not unknown for retailers who have cashflow problems to be unable to borrow from the bank, so they will use the customer's money to buy in the goods for the customer, when the retailer doesn't have sufficient creditworthiness to buy first and sell later. I see this as unethical, because part at least of his mark-up is recompense for his outlay in stocking the item for sale. He has no outlay if he uses the customer's money to buy in the goods, therefore he is not entitled to the same mark-up, but he will take it nevertheless. Selling an item on Monday and not shipping till Thursday is an obvious pointer to the retailer using your money to buy in the item, which by inference means he is on the edge of insolvency, and you run the risk of losing both your money and the item. If he sinks before Thursday, you are in the unsecured creditors pile, and will most likely not get a cent back. It's not quite like buying a burger at McDonalds, where you pay first and get your burger 20 seconds later. Part of the rationale for charging the customer before the item is shipped is where the item ordered is not part of the retailers normal inventory, and if the customer backs out the retailer is left with unwanted goods. But in that case the onus is on the retailer to point this out to the customer. Where the ordered item is part of the retailer's normal inventory, he would be re-ordering whether or not the customer places an order, so there is no justification for up-front charging. Colin D. |
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BandHPhoto wrote:
Charging your credit card before they ship the item is stealing. Plain and simple. No, it's not. Taking someone's property without their permission is stealing. In the business it's called "hammering" I have to admit I have never heard this used in this contexct before and after a google search I coul;dn't come up with any hits. and it's a way to generate a large float with the bank which keeps the business from having to borrow money for operations from the bank at high interest rates. This is naive beyond belief. First, interest rates these days are below 1%, so even if this was a viable option, the returnb would be pennies. Second, the time and expense of managing an operation of this size makes it unwieldy and unprofitable, unless you're a bank or have nothing else to do all day. That lets most legit retailers out. Anyone who thinks a retailer who sells you a camera on Monday and doesn't ship it until Thursday is making big $$$ Tuesday and Wednesday is simply wrong. Plain and simple. - -- regards, Henry Posner/B&H Photo-Video http://www.bhphotovideo.com It's not all that naive. Borrowing from the bank isn't the problem. Creditworthiness is the problem. It's not unknown for retailers who have cashflow problems to be unable to borrow from the bank, so they will use the customer's money to buy in the goods for the customer, when the retailer doesn't have sufficient creditworthiness to buy first and sell later. I see this as unethical, because part at least of his mark-up is recompense for his outlay in stocking the item for sale. He has no outlay if he uses the customer's money to buy in the goods, therefore he is not entitled to the same mark-up, but he will take it nevertheless. Selling an item on Monday and not shipping till Thursday is an obvious pointer to the retailer using your money to buy in the item, which by inference means he is on the edge of insolvency, and you run the risk of losing both your money and the item. If he sinks before Thursday, you are in the unsecured creditors pile, and will most likely not get a cent back. It's not quite like buying a burger at McDonalds, where you pay first and get your burger 20 seconds later. Part of the rationale for charging the customer before the item is shipped is where the item ordered is not part of the retailers normal inventory, and if the customer backs out the retailer is left with unwanted goods. But in that case the onus is on the retailer to point this out to the customer. Where the ordered item is part of the retailer's normal inventory, he would be re-ordering whether or not the customer places an order, so there is no justification for up-front charging. Colin D. |
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"BandHPhoto" wrote in message ... Charging your credit card before they ship the item is stealing. Plain and simple. No, it's not. Taking someone's property without their permission is stealing. Well, I've got to admit that I never thought he would stoop down this low to defend his practice of charging a credit card before the item was in and ready to ship. Taking someone's property without their permission is stealing alright, but taking someone's money without their permission is also stealing. If the customer orders something and doesn't know that his credit card is being charged before the item is in and shipping, then I consider this stealing, too. If the customer knows about it, then it isn't. I like B&H, but I don't like this practice, and I don't like him defending it. It is just bad business. Clyde Torres |
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"BandHPhoto" wrote in message ... Charging your credit card before they ship the item is stealing. Plain and simple. No, it's not. Taking someone's property without their permission is stealing. Well, I've got to admit that I never thought he would stoop down this low to defend his practice of charging a credit card before the item was in and ready to ship. Taking someone's property without their permission is stealing alright, but taking someone's money without their permission is also stealing. If the customer orders something and doesn't know that his credit card is being charged before the item is in and shipping, then I consider this stealing, too. If the customer knows about it, then it isn't. I like B&H, but I don't like this practice, and I don't like him defending it. It is just bad business. Clyde Torres |
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