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"Pudentame" wrote in message ... OTOH, my own experience indicates a smaller, more nimble vehicle allows the driver avoid accidents he might not be able to avoid in a larger, heavier, less maneuverable automobile. That's the whole problem right there. Avoid, nimble, maneuverable? That's a joke, right? I'd be happy to see "awake". I'd be happy to see "off the phone" I'd be happy to see "make-up already done"..The limit of most peoples driving knowledge is that soon after an accident, something will blow up right in their face to save them. Mostly, after the crumple zone is done crumpling; said air bag is much closer to the victim. Bob Hickey |
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wrote Graham Fountain ... with the new company having approximately 20x the capitalisation of Pentax, I think the chances of them progressing more rapidly are significantly higher. There is nothing wrong with Hoya/Tokina optics, and now they have a camera system to match their stuff to. With more money to throw around for things like R&D, marketing, and quite possibly some new high end gear, the brand can only improve. Before you jump ship, just remember that Canon don't have approx 70% market share (in Australia at least, not sure about rest of the world) because they are any better than the competition, it's simply because they have been marketed better. Damn, that reminds me the discussion before Konica-Minolta merge with Sony. - parv -- As nice it is to receive personal mail, too much sweetness causes tooth decay. Unless you have burning desire to contact me, do not do away w/ WhereElse in the address for private communication. |
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jeremy wrote: Well, many of us sensed that it was coming. Pentax had been a longtime user of Hoya optical glass, but to see Hoya swallow Pentax us is disconcerting. A group of protestors led by Brittany Spears and Pamela Anderson are protesting the new name of the corporation .... HoTax. |
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Hash: SHA1 J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 07:12:15 +1000, Graham Fountain wrote: jeremy wrote: "David Kilpatrick" wrote in message ... jeremy wrote: Well, many of us sensed that it was coming. Pentax had been a longtime user of Hoya optical glass, but to see Hoya swallow Pentax us is disconcerting. They had already swallowed a big chunk of Pentax, as their subsidiary brand Tokina makes most of the popular lenses (not the special stuff) David I was hoping that Pentax might release a full crop digital body that would take their older 35mm lenses, but that appears to be a pipe dream now. Time to start looking for a new camera brand. I don't know about that - with the new company having approximately 20x the capitalisation of Pentax, I think the chances of them progressing more rapidly are significantly higher. There is nothing wrong with Hoya/Tokina optics, and now they have a camera system to match their stuff to. With more money to throw around for things like R&D, marketing, and quite possibly some new high end gear, the brand can only improve. Before you jump ship, just remember that Canon don't have approx 70% market share (in Australia at least, not sure about rest of the world) because they are any better than the competition, it's simply because they have been marketed better. There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't. The reason Pentax could not do this is the lack of capital. So this could change now for the better. Then again, depends on the direction the merged company takes. They may abandon the camera market, and may not. Only time will tell. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFi3dhu4tRirKTPYwRAqApAJ9cZ+8+duUov0ZmMb1YTH H+InrtZQCePlB2 aWCKVAVULrDOA3fS4y77zrA= =Doel -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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I welcome the change if it means that the long term viability of the K-mount
is secure. I have a substantial investment in K-mount lenses. Unlike Minolta and later KM, Pentax has demonstrated clearly that it is an innovative company and (finally) has the ability to adapt to the changing market quicker than competition with the recent release of K100 and K10 cameras. What this does is to make Pentax attractive to potential buyers. This is not an uncommon tactics when a company realized that it might not be able to raise enough fund to finance long term R&D. There is a no down side since there will be significant return if the products do sell well. There is no reason to hold onto a name. A name is only a name. What is important, to me anyway, is the viability of a set of tools that allows me to pursue photography. BTW, I started using a Pentax MX in 1979 and since bought and sold a P30, 5n, *ist. I am now using a DS and a K10D. "W Paul Mills" wrote in message ... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 J. Clarke wrote: On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 07:12:15 +1000, Graham Fountain wrote: jeremy wrote: "David Kilpatrick" wrote in message ... jeremy wrote: Well, many of us sensed that it was coming. Pentax had been a longtime user of Hoya optical glass, but to see Hoya swallow Pentax us is disconcerting. They had already swallowed a big chunk of Pentax, as their subsidiary brand Tokina makes most of the popular lenses (not the special stuff) David I was hoping that Pentax might release a full crop digital body that would take their older 35mm lenses, but that appears to be a pipe dream now. Time to start looking for a new camera brand. I don't know about that - with the new company having approximately 20x the capitalisation of Pentax, I think the chances of them progressing more rapidly are significantly higher. There is nothing wrong with Hoya/Tokina optics, and now they have a camera system to match their stuff to. With more money to throw around for things like R&D, marketing, and quite possibly some new high end gear, the brand can only improve. Before you jump ship, just remember that Canon don't have approx 70% market share (in Australia at least, not sure about rest of the world) because they are any better than the competition, it's simply because they have been marketed better. There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't. The reason Pentax could not do this is the lack of capital. So this could change now for the better. Then again, depends on the direction the merged company takes. They may abandon the camera market, and may not. Only time will tell. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFi3dhu4tRirKTPYwRAqApAJ9cZ+8+duUov0ZmMb1YTH H+InrtZQCePlB2 aWCKVAVULrDOA3fS4y77zrA= =Doel -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- |
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J. Clarke wrote:
There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't. Really? - So Canon would have a fisheye that can be used on the 400D/30D and their predecessors if they have a lens for every niche right? Oh that's right they don't. Nikon and Pentax both have fisheyes for their digitals. Canon would have a number of zooms beyond 300mm wouldn't they? Well actually they only have 1, the 100-400L, while Nikon and Pentax have a number of zooms extending out to 600mm. I'm guessing then that Canon would have a "travel" type lens, such as a 28-300, very handy lenses when you want to travel light. Oops, nothing there either. Sorry, what were you saying? |
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:10:38 +1000, Graham Fountain wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't. Sorry, what were you saying? I think he was saying _Pentax_ had more niche products, and the two of you are in violent agreement. In addition to the lenses you mention, Pentax also has two medium format systems, and had even dabbled in such stuff as a 110 SLR. (I own both Pentax 645 and 110 systems). In 35mm, though, Pentax has been an "also ran" since at least the start of the autofocus era, and hasn't been 1st or 2nd in sales since before the days of Canon's AE-1. As others pointed out, they have been strapped for capital for quite a while, and been unable to deliver promised products like the 645D. I find their demise as an independent company regrettable, but also inevitable. -- Michael Benveniste -- Spam and UCE professionally evaluated for $419. Use this email address only to submit mail for evaluation. |
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On Fri, 22 Dec 2006 22:10:38 +1000, Graham Fountain wrote:
J. Clarke wrote: There's also the little matter that they have a camera and lens for just about any niche you can imagine, while the competition doesn't. Really? - So Canon would have a fisheye that can be used on the 400D/30D and their predecessors if they have a lens for every niche right? Oh that's right they don't. Nikon and Pentax both have fisheyes for their digitals. Canon would have a number of zooms beyond 300mm wouldn't they? Well actually they only have 1, the 100-400L, while Nikon and Pentax have a number of zooms extending out to 600mm. I'm guessing then that Canon would have a "travel" type lens, such as a 28-300, very handy lenses when you want to travel light. Oops, nothing there either. Sorry, what were you saying? What part of "just about" are you having trouble with? Asperger's? High function autism? -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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"W Paul Mills" wrote in message
... The reason Pentax could not do this is the lack of capital. So this could change now for the better. Then again, depends on the direction the merged company takes. They may abandon the camera market, and may not. Only time will tell. I can't think offhand of any major company that was helped in its financial woes by being merged into a bigger, better-capitalized company. Typically, the stronger company buys up the weaker one's resources, customers and assets at pennies on the dollar and then sells off or shuts down the parts that do not fit with the stronger company's vision. What if Hoya were to rebadge their Tokina lenses as "Pentax" and then sell off the camera unit to Samsung? Perhaps even allow Samsung to use the Pentax name for a period of time, and then to gradually wean customers over to the Samsung name, while Tokina lenses were now selling more briskly under the Pentax brand? That is only one possible scenario. Pentax's reputation was built by their lenses, not their camera bodies. Their last noteworthy camera was the LX, and they killed it off, rather than improve it like Nikon did with their F series. Even if Pentax were to release a new super "professional" camera model right now, who would buy it? Professionals have migrated to digital, and those that require a top-notch film camera would buy the Nikon F6. Pentax withdrew from the competition years ago, and now that contest is over and they can't come back. They have discovered, as did Minolta, Bronica, Contax and Olympus have, that their prior dominance in the film domain was no guarantee of success in digital--and the buyers are virtually all buying digital. I am saddened to see Pentax's demise. All of my film cameras are Pentaxes, as are all of my lenses, but there is no hope of their being around to supply me with future photo gear. If the rest of their customer base becomes of a like mind, they will disappear from the market. |
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"TW" wrote in message
... I welcome the change if it means that the long term viability of the K-mount is secure. As I understand it, Pentax has not charged royalties to other manufacturers that incorporated the K-mount, so that is not a factor. The mount would have little value to an independent manufacturer unless there was a major player, like Pentax, serving to anchor it. And, there are few independent brands out there. Vivitar, Chinon, not exactly inspiring. All the more reason for buyers to stick with the big brands in the hope that their investments won't go down the drain. When I eventually buy into a DSLR system, it is going to be Nikon. I had stated previously that I would not even consider Pentax--and this from someone that has shot nothing BUT Pentax film cameras and lenses for nearly 35 years. |
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