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Canon S1 IS on the nose
We have nice bourgainvilla creeper inthe backgarden. By accident it
got included in a birdpicture with the Canon S1 IS and it did not look right. Well I have access to a Pentax Optio S and an Olympus 2100 IS so I took three pictures one after the other with only a few minutes difference in time. I made an IrfanView Slideshow and placed that on my site for comments. It is an exe file with 5 seconds delay and will therefore download - there is no virus or other trouble - scan it if you like - it is at http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~borge/Flowers.exe You will I suspect notice that the Canon has a very poor red. I have made pictures with the White Balance in Sun and AUTO and there is no difference between the two - I wonder if there is an explanation. Both the Canon and the Olympus have a UV Filter added. I have tried to take them off and there is no difference. Any suggestions - please B.Pedersen Latitude -31,48.21 Longitude115,47.40 Time=GMT+8.00 If you are curious look here http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp |
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"nesredep egrob" Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40 wrote in message
... We have nice bourgainvilla creeper inthe backgarden. By accident it got included in a birdpicture with the Canon S1 IS and it did not look right. Well I have access to a Pentax Optio S and an Olympus 2100 IS so I took three pictures one after the other with only a few minutes difference in time. I made an IrfanView Slideshow and placed that on my site for comments. It is an exe file with 5 seconds delay and will therefore download - there is no virus or other trouble - scan it if you like - it is at http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~borge/Flowers.exe You will I suspect notice that the Canon has a very poor red. I have made pictures with the White Balance in Sun and AUTO and there is no difference between the two - I wonder if there is an explanation. Both the Canon and the Olympus have a UV Filter added. I have tried to take them off and there is no difference. Any suggestions - please B.Pedersen Latitude -31,48.21 Longitude115,47.40 Time=GMT+8.00 If you are curious look here http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp In my experience Canons have always had poor reds. Both my S30 and S60 have always exhibited pinkish looking reds, and I always have to boost the red level in Photoshop. They also can't accurately reproduce colours that have a lot of red in like purple either. The only suggestion is get another make of camera, although I'm sticking with my Canons for the time being, even though I have been well aware of the red problem from the very early days of ownership of the S30. |
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"nesredep egrob" Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40 wrote in message
... We have nice bourgainvilla creeper inthe backgarden. By accident it got included in a birdpicture with the Canon S1 IS and it did not look right. Well I have access to a Pentax Optio S and an Olympus 2100 IS so I took three pictures one after the other with only a few minutes difference in time. I made an IrfanView Slideshow and placed that on my site for comments. It is an exe file with 5 seconds delay and will therefore download - there is no virus or other trouble - scan it if you like - it is at http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~borge/Flowers.exe You will I suspect notice that the Canon has a very poor red. I have made pictures with the White Balance in Sun and AUTO and there is no difference between the two - I wonder if there is an explanation. Both the Canon and the Olympus have a UV Filter added. I have tried to take them off and there is no difference. Any suggestions - please B.Pedersen Latitude -31,48.21 Longitude115,47.40 Time=GMT+8.00 If you are curious look here http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp In my experience Canons have always had poor reds. Both my S30 and S60 have always exhibited pinkish looking reds, and I always have to boost the red level in Photoshop. They also can't accurately reproduce colours that have a lot of red in like purple either. The only suggestion is get another make of camera, although I'm sticking with my Canons for the time being, even though I have been well aware of the red problem from the very early days of ownership of the S30. |
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"Baron Sloan" wrote in message ... "nesredep egrob" Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40 wrote in message ... We have nice bourgainvilla creeper inthe backgarden. By accident it got included in a birdpicture with the Canon S1 IS and it did not look right. Well I have access to a Pentax Optio S and an Olympus 2100 IS so I took three pictures one after the other with only a few minutes difference in time. I made an IrfanView Slideshow and placed that on my site for comments. It is an exe file with 5 seconds delay and will therefore download - there is no virus or other trouble - scan it if you like - it is at http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~borge/Flowers.exe You will I suspect notice that the Canon has a very poor red. I have made pictures with the White Balance in Sun and AUTO and there is no difference between the two - I wonder if there is an explanation. Both the Canon and the Olympus have a UV Filter added. I have tried to take them off and there is no difference. Any suggestions - please B.Pedersen Latitude -31,48.21 Longitude115,47.40 Time=GMT+8.00 If you are curious look here http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp In my experience Canons have always had poor reds. Both my S30 and S60 have always exhibited pinkish looking reds, and I always have to boost the red level in Photoshop. They also can't accurately reproduce colours that have a lot of red in like purple either. The only suggestion is get another make of camera, although I'm sticking with my Canons for the time being, even though I have been well aware of the red problem from the very early days of ownership of the S30. Maybe my eyes aren't as discriminating as others, but I believe that my 20D captures reds very well. One of the problems that I had with my previous digital, an Epson 3100Z, was its failure to display correct color in the red zone. The 20D seems to be very accurate. Don Dunlap |
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"Baron Sloan" wrote in message ... "nesredep egrob" Long. -31,48.21 Lat. 115,47.40 wrote in message ... We have nice bourgainvilla creeper inthe backgarden. By accident it got included in a birdpicture with the Canon S1 IS and it did not look right. Well I have access to a Pentax Optio S and an Olympus 2100 IS so I took three pictures one after the other with only a few minutes difference in time. I made an IrfanView Slideshow and placed that on my site for comments. It is an exe file with 5 seconds delay and will therefore download - there is no virus or other trouble - scan it if you like - it is at http://www.members.iinet.net.au/~borge/Flowers.exe You will I suspect notice that the Canon has a very poor red. I have made pictures with the White Balance in Sun and AUTO and there is no difference between the two - I wonder if there is an explanation. Both the Canon and the Olympus have a UV Filter added. I have tried to take them off and there is no difference. Any suggestions - please B.Pedersen Latitude -31,48.21 Longitude115,47.40 Time=GMT+8.00 If you are curious look here http://www.mapquest.com/maps/latlong.adp In my experience Canons have always had poor reds. Both my S30 and S60 have always exhibited pinkish looking reds, and I always have to boost the red level in Photoshop. They also can't accurately reproduce colours that have a lot of red in like purple either. The only suggestion is get another make of camera, although I'm sticking with my Canons for the time being, even though I have been well aware of the red problem from the very early days of ownership of the S30. Maybe my eyes aren't as discriminating as others, but I believe that my 20D captures reds very well. One of the problems that I had with my previous digital, an Epson 3100Z, was its failure to display correct color in the red zone. The 20D seems to be very accurate. Don Dunlap |
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 03:05:02 -0800, Justín Käse
wrote: In posted on Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:00:07 -0000, Baron Sloan wrote: In my experience Canons have always had poor reds. Both my S30 and S60 have always exhibited pinkish looking reds, and I always have to boost the red level in Photoshop. They also can't accurately reproduce colours that have a lot of red in like purple either. I've been considering getting a 720nm IR filter (R-72) for my S1, am I to interpret that the red sensitivity might be an issue? BTW: I took some bougainvillea shots over in a local park about a week ago and they came out fairly close with no UV or other filtration, not as pink as those in the pic2exe show, but more of the true magenta. Well out here (Western Australia) we have lots of Bourgonvilias and they range from near yellow to all sorts of other colours. There is no substitute for taking shots of the same part of the bush with different cameras. Believe me I am otherwise totally happy with the S1 but I am going to have words with Canon on the subject. I am surprised. I am a retired TV tech who was in the job when we had to finalise the colours in the customers home at the very start of colour TV. Not two sets came out of the factory with the same adjustments. We had the gear for setting them up properly - not the money nor the showmanship but we challenged people to walk down the street and ask the big shops to put all the sets on the same station and then ask the salesman which set displayed the right colour; and I was this long in seeing the discrepancy - I must be losing my sight and mind with age. Thanks for the comments all of you. Borge, Perth Pentium P4 2.4Ghz, 1 Gb memory, 600 GB space Olympus 2100UZ, Pentax Optio S, Canon S1. |
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On Wed, 08 Dec 2004 03:05:02 -0800, Justín Käse
wrote: In posted on Wed, 8 Dec 2004 10:00:07 -0000, Baron Sloan wrote: In my experience Canons have always had poor reds. Both my S30 and S60 have always exhibited pinkish looking reds, and I always have to boost the red level in Photoshop. They also can't accurately reproduce colours that have a lot of red in like purple either. I've been considering getting a 720nm IR filter (R-72) for my S1, am I to interpret that the red sensitivity might be an issue? BTW: I took some bougainvillea shots over in a local park about a week ago and they came out fairly close with no UV or other filtration, not as pink as those in the pic2exe show, but more of the true magenta. Well out here (Western Australia) we have lots of Bourgonvilias and they range from near yellow to all sorts of other colours. There is no substitute for taking shots of the same part of the bush with different cameras. Believe me I am otherwise totally happy with the S1 but I am going to have words with Canon on the subject. I am surprised. I am a retired TV tech who was in the job when we had to finalise the colours in the customers home at the very start of colour TV. Not two sets came out of the factory with the same adjustments. We had the gear for setting them up properly - not the money nor the showmanship but we challenged people to walk down the street and ask the big shops to put all the sets on the same station and then ask the salesman which set displayed the right colour; and I was this long in seeing the discrepancy - I must be losing my sight and mind with age. Thanks for the comments all of you. Borge, Perth Pentium P4 2.4Ghz, 1 Gb memory, 600 GB space Olympus 2100UZ, Pentax Optio S, Canon S1. |
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nesredep egrob wrote:
[] Believe me I am otherwise totally happy with the S1 but I am going to have words with Canon on the subject. I am surprised. I am a retired TV tech who was in the job when we had to finalise the colours in the customers home at the very start of colour TV. There's one other issue that I don't recall being mentioned. Some cameras have some spectral response beyond what the eye can see, and this affects the colour rendering. I have seen it both on flowers (blue/violet leaves) and on artificial fabrics with (perhaps) brighteners added to convert near-UV into visible light. Now all cameras of the same model should respond in the same way, but of course they aren't checked at the factory for this out-of-band wavelength response. Different makes and different models will respond differently. Perhaps this far-end spectral response is contributing towards the colour issues you are seeing? Cheers, David |
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nesredep egrob wrote:
[] Believe me I am otherwise totally happy with the S1 but I am going to have words with Canon on the subject. I am surprised. I am a retired TV tech who was in the job when we had to finalise the colours in the customers home at the very start of colour TV. There's one other issue that I don't recall being mentioned. Some cameras have some spectral response beyond what the eye can see, and this affects the colour rendering. I have seen it both on flowers (blue/violet leaves) and on artificial fabrics with (perhaps) brighteners added to convert near-UV into visible light. Now all cameras of the same model should respond in the same way, but of course they aren't checked at the factory for this out-of-band wavelength response. Different makes and different models will respond differently. Perhaps this far-end spectral response is contributing towards the colour issues you are seeing? Cheers, David |
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When I used film cameras, I always used Fuji film because I took a lot
of photos including leaves, trees and such; Kodak - great for skin tones - rendered most greens with a pronounced blue cast. I imagine there are similar issues with digital cameras. When we reduce the whole spectrum of light to sensors of three types, normally RGB, we are relying on the shortcomings of our vision to make everything come out right. There are bound to be some glitches. Pattern-chaser "Who cares, wins" |
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