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"George Kerby" wrote in message ... On 7/23/10 3:26 PM, in article , "me" wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:50 -0400, "Peter" wrote: Interesting effect. I would have liked to see the silhouette sharp. The blurry outline ruins it for me. How would you propose to have both the moon and the silhouette both be sharp in a single shot with 1000mm f.l.? Careful planning. Two separate exposures. One focused on moon, other on rocks/trees. Combine two in photoshop - masks, layers, combine layers. Voila. |
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"Tim Conway" wrote in message
... "George Kerby" wrote in message ... On 7/23/10 3:26 PM, in article , "me" wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:50 -0400, "Peter" wrote: Interesting effect. I would have liked to see the silhouette sharp. The blurry outline ruins it for me. How would you propose to have both the moon and the silhouette both be sharp in a single shot with 1000mm f.l.? Careful planning. Two separate exposures. One focused on moon, other on rocks/trees. Combine two in photoshop - masks, layers, combine layers. Voila. But the question was how to do it in a single shot. I would be happy to learn that myself. -- Peter |
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"Tim Conway" wrote: "George Kerby" wrote in message ... On 7/23/10 3:26 PM, in article , "me" wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:50 -0400, "Peter" wrote: Interesting effect. I would have liked to see the silhouette sharp. The blurry outline ruins it for me. How would you propose to have both the moon and the silhouette both be sharp in a single shot with 1000mm f.l.? Careful planning. Two separate exposures. One focused on moon, other on rocks/trees. Combine two in photoshop - masks, layers, combine layers. Voila. Bingo! m-m www.mhmyers.com |
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On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 20:20:50 -0400, "Peter"
wrote: "me" wrote in message .. . On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:25:09 -0400, "Peter" wrote: "me" wrote in message ... On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:50 -0400, "Peter" wrote: Interesting effect. I would have liked to see the silhouette sharp. The blurry outline ruins it for me. How would you propose to have both the moon and the silhouette both be sharp in a single shot with 1000mm f.l.? The same way you take a picture of a hummingbird, with its wings frozen, with a 28mm f5.6 lens, without strobe. I'm sorry, I must be dense. Can you please be more explicit? think impossible shot You mean like this "impossible" available-light-only hummingbird shot at 1/10,000 second shutter speed using a P&S camera? http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4095/4822194301_20db930412_b.jpg (High JPG compression used, to entertain the thieves and trolls, even though the image is not mine but I have permission to repost it.) I guess that none of you happy-snapper crapshooting armchair X-spurts have ever heard of "hyperfocal" settings either. Getting the moon and cliff/trees in focus in that very poorly composed shot would have been easy. Well, easy to anyone that knows how to use a camera, that is. ****ing useless morons, each and every one of you. |
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"Peter" wrote: http://www.netaxs.com/~mhmyers/d80/DSC_23928w.jpg But the question was how to do it in a single shot. I would be happy to learn that myself. You can get them both in focus if the trees are far enough away and both are at infinity and your lens is powerful enough focal-length-wise. I would like to get a shot of the full-frame moon rising behind a city skyline. You have to be many miles away from the city. I have been able to get a jet plane crossing the moon with both in focus: http://www.netaxs.com/~mhmyers/d80/DSC_11664w.jpg The issue with this photo however is not the focus but the exposure. It is an impossible photo to achieve in a single exposure. The background took a 2 sec exposure, the moon only needed 1/125. The photo of the moon indeed had the rocks and trees in front of it but the background was completely black. So I took an exposure of the rocks and trees before the moon set behind it and combined the two. Kudos to Tim Conway (my favorite comedian btw) for realizing this. I thought the big clue would be the EXIF says 2 sec and there is no way the moon would stay sharp with that long of an exposure because (a) the earth is rotating and the moon consequently moves across the frame and (b) 2 sec would completely overexpose such a bright object. -- m-m www.mhmyers.com |
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"me" wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:50 -0400, "Peter" wrote: Interesting effect. I would have liked to see the silhouette sharp. The blurry outline ruins it for me. How would you propose to have both the moon and the silhouette both be sharp in a single shot with 1000mm f.l.? It's unlike to be f/1.0: that lens would require a 1000mm diameter front element. F/5.6 or f/8 is more likely. The pixel count in that jpg is rather low, so it shouldn't be too hard at all. You might want to take two shots, though. At 1000mm and f/5.6, the 12MP FF hyperfocal distance is 7,000 meters, so you aren't going to get the silhouette and the moon both in critical focus. An image with both equally blurred would downsample to a nice sharp screen-sized jpg, but you'd want the moon in focus for a 12x18" print. Still, the moon's pretty bright, so f/8, or even f/11 might be possible. (Of course, at 1000mm, even playing careful hyperfocal games at f/11 only gets your near focus to 1800 meters. That DoF goes down with the square of the focal length really hurts.) -- David J. Littleboy Tokyo, Japan |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:03:37 +0900, "David J. Littleboy"
wrote: "me" wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:50 -0400, "Peter" wrote: Interesting effect. I would have liked to see the silhouette sharp. The blurry outline ruins it for me. How would you propose to have both the moon and the silhouette both be sharp in a single shot with 1000mm f.l.? It's unlike to be f/1.0: that lens would require a 1000mm diameter front element. F/5.6 or f/8 is more likely. The pixel count in that jpg is rather low, so it shouldn't be too hard at all. You might want to take two shots, though. At 1000mm and f/5.6, the 12MP FF hyperfocal distance is 7,000 meters, so you aren't going to get the silhouette and the moon both in critical focus. An image with both equally blurred would downsample to a nice sharp screen-sized jpg, but you'd want the moon in focus for a 12x18" print. Still, the moon's pretty bright, so f/8, or even f/11 might be possible. (Of course, at 1000mm, even playing careful hyperfocal games at f/11 only gets your near focus to 1800 meters. That DoF goes down with the square of the focal length really hurts.) Read the EXIF, he was using f/13. The lit moon is the same brightness as light pavement on earth in daylight. Why anyone wasted their time playing the cutting and paste game and taking two photos to create such a simple to accomplish one-shot photograph I'll never know. This is the very same reason so many of you depend on RAW too. You can't do it right the first time, so see if you can save your talentless disasters in editing. What amazes me even more is why shoot such a dismal silhouette to patch with the moon if that's what you were going to do? (As he claimed.) He was in no way limited to taking the foreground from the same place the moon was going to set. This image is a royal-****up from beginning to end. Camera skills suck, reasoning skills suck, composition skills suck, editing skills suck. |
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On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:03:37 +0900, "David J. Littleboy"
wrote: "me" wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:50 -0400, "Peter" wrote: Interesting effect. I would have liked to see the silhouette sharp. The blurry outline ruins it for me. How would you propose to have both the moon and the silhouette both be sharp in a single shot with 1000mm f.l.? It's unlike to be f/1.0: that lens would require a 1000mm diameter front element. F/5.6 or f/8 is more likely. The pixel count in that jpg is rather low, so it shouldn't be too hard at all. You might want to take two shots, though. At 1000mm and f/5.6, the 12MP FF hyperfocal distance is 7,000 meters, so you aren't going to get the silhouette and the moon both in critical focus. An image with both equally blurred would downsample to a nice sharp screen-sized jpg, but you'd want the moon in focus for a 12x18" print. Still, the moon's pretty bright, so f/8, or even f/11 might be possible. (Of course, at 1000mm, even playing careful hyperfocal games at f/11 only gets your near focus to 1800 meters. That DoF goes down with the square of the focal length really hurts.) Read the EXIF, he was using f/13. The lit moon is the same brightness as light pavement on earth in daylight. Why anyone wasted their time playing the cutting and paste game and taking two photos to create such a simple to accomplish one-shot photograph I'll never know. This is the very same reason so many of you depend on RAW too. You can't do it right the first time, so see if you can save your talentless disasters in editing. What amazes me even more is why shoot such a dismal silhouette to patch with the moon if that's what you were going to do? (As he claimed.) He was in no way limited to taking the foreground from the same place the moon was going to set. This image is a royal-****up from beginning to end. Camera skills suck, reasoning skills suck, composition skills suck, editing skills suck. I forgot to mention. All of you who fail to realize any of this also suck just as bad, if not worse. |
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M-M wrote: In article , "Tim Conway" wrote: "George Kerby" wrote in message ... On 7/23/10 3:26 PM, in article , "me" wrote: On Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:50 -0400, "Peter" wrote: Interesting effect. I would have liked to see the silhouette sharp. The blurry outline ruins it for me. How would you propose to have both the moon and the silhouette both be sharp in a single shot with 1000mm f.l.? Careful planning. Two separate exposures. One focused on moon, other on rocks/trees. Combine two in photoshop - masks, layers, combine layers. Voila. Bingo! m-m www.mhmyers.com Voila! http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/43...7f5945dc_o.jpg |
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"Frank ess" wrote: Careful planning. Two separate exposures. One focused on moon, other on rocks/trees. Combine two in photoshop - masks, layers, combine layers. Voila. Bingo! m-m www.mhmyers.com Voila! http://farm1.static.flickr.com/30/43...7f5945dc_o.jpg This one is a single exposure. No photoshop at all. Full frame but reduced to 25% of original: http://www.netaxs.com/~mhmyers/d80/DSC_23907w.jpg -- m-m http://www.mhmyers.com |
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