Demise of Kodachrome 200?

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In article , Father Kodak
wrote:


Sigh my kodachromes from the early 70's are completely intact; EVERY
other slide film shows at least some deterioration despite excellent
storage. Unfortunately, I've reached the point where new Ektachromes
will look fine as long as I'M around to see.

I agree on the GAF. I used to like the color and "pointillistic" grain
on their old 500 ASA film, but those slides are almost clear now. Hey,
didn't they have a 1000, as well The
only thing I remember is blue, everything came out different shades of blue.
If you wanted more colors, Kodachrome was the only choice. I seem to
remember GAF having a 1000 and a little gizmo that looked like a flat stick
to develope the stuff at home and snap on plastic mounts. I also seem to
remember a lot of white between the blue dots.
Bob Hickey

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it's not expensive to post it to Switzerland form the UK (64p,
letter
rate airmail). In fact it is cheaper than than posting it within
the
UK (84p, second class packet).

It used to cost 43p. And I have several times been charged £1.10,
because some Post Office counter staff treat it as an air mail
packet,
rather than an air mail letter.

That's a known problem with the new postage system and it is being
looked at. Basically, a private individual sending it could be
treated as a letter (64p), whereas a business sending it would be
treated as a packet (£1.10).

This ambiguity needs to be sorted out so we all know what we should
be
paying. There should not be two rates for the same job depending on
who the sender is. In the meantime, I pay what I am asked to pay,
and
at my usual Post Office, it is unfortunatley the higher figure.

I agree. I have once (out of 30-40 films) had a card from the sorting
office saying I did not pay enough. I ignored it. BUT, I just went to
the Royal Mail website to check the definition of an airmail letter
and I find that it has changed recently. the Royal Mail website now
says:

" A Letter item is anything that contains personalised correspondence.
"

It used to say (apprximately) : "any personal item that you would
normally send by post up to 2kg"

This is a significant change and has happened recently without much
fanfare.

Robert

I wonder if the thickness of the package enters into the mix? - If so,
then
perhaps it's cheaper to send the finished product back to the store
where
you dropped it off, than it was to send it to the processing lab to
begin
with, because the canister necessitates calling it a "package" rather
than
a
"letter". Here in the US, there are few mail slots that I can stuff
the
35mm
canister into. That's why it is more convenient for me to just bring
it
to
the Shutterbug about 3 miles away......- Hide quoted text -

here in the UK we have no option but post it to a Kodak lab (or former
lab). Ther is no option to drop it off at a store. When the Hemel
Hempstead (UK) lab closed, they did the same thing that they now do at
Lausanne; the accept postal deliveries but actually bulk ship them to
another lab and then bring them back. they did that for a few years
and the nstopped. I guess the same will apply at Lausanne.

When the Lausanne lab closed the style of mounts changed and also I
noted that the lab was not used to dealing with split frame stereo
slides (which require ordinary mounts). Quite often I get sent a free
film and an apology letter when actually there seems to be nothing
wrong with the slides.

Robert

Ha! - I wonder what they thought was wrong with their machine.....I can
just
see the look on their repairman's face when they presented him with one
of
your split frame slides.....:^)-

I had a different but related problem when the Lausanne lab used to
process my split frame stereos. They would decide not to frame them at
all. I would then post the processed film back pointing out they
needed the standard frame. They would then frame them. Eventually
they told me to write "NORMAL MOUNT" across the corner of the enveope
(the corner that you would cut off to get unframed film). That worked
and I stil do it.

Robert

My stereo Realist was a half-frame 35 mm, but it took two photos at the
same
time, and they were mounted in a single strip of cardboard about 2-1/5
inches apart. I no longer have the camera, so I don't know if they still
support that type of mount....I do know that the cardboard strip was less
than 2 inches high. I can barely fit the end of one of them in my
Konica-Minolta film scanner. They are almost too small to be gripped by
the
fingers at the end of the film holder......- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


I also have a Realist camera (recently bought). As you say, Kodak
used to offer cardboard mounts in the Realist format but they have not
done that for a very long time. The realist frames are 23mmx24mm so
they were a little bigger than half frame.

Robert

So, do you mount them yourself? - If so, are the mounts still available? I
have pretty much decided that I will have to use a standard SLR, and take
two pictures as close to simultaneously as I can if I take up stereo
seriously again.

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On Mar 15, 4:21 pm, Tony Polson wrote:

"Robert" wrote:

it's not expensive to post it to Switzerland form the UK (64p,
letter
rate airmail). In fact it is cheaper than than posting it within
the
UK (84p, second class packet).

It used to cost 43p. And I have several times been charged £1.10,
because some Post Office counter staff treat it as an air mail
packet,
rather than an air mail letter.

That's a known problem with the new postage system and it is being
looked at. Basically, a private individual sending it could be
treated as a letter (64p), whereas a business sending it would be
treated as a packet (£1.10).

This ambiguity needs to be sorted out so we all know what we should
be
paying. There should not be two rates for the same job depending on
who the sender is. In the meantime, I pay what I am asked to pay,
and
at my usual Post Office, it is unfortunatley the higher figure.

I agree. I have once (out of 30-40 films) had a card from the sorting
office saying I did not pay enough. I ignored it. BUT, I just went to
the Royal Mail website to check the definition of an airmail letter
and I find that it has changed recently. the Royal Mail website now
says:

" A Letter item is anything that contains personalised correspondence.
"

It used to say (apprximately) : "any personal item that you would
normally send by post up to 2kg"

This is a significant change and has happened recently without much
fanfare.

Robert

I wonder if the thickness of the package enters into the mix? - If so,
then
perhaps it's cheaper to send the finished product back to the store
where
you dropped it off, than it was to send it to the processing lab to
begin
with, because the canister necessitates calling it a "package" rather
than
a
"letter". Here in the US, there are few mail slots that I can stuff
the
35mm
canister into. That's why it is more convenient for me to just bring
it
to
the Shutterbug about 3 miles away......- Hide quoted text -

here in the UK we have no option but post it to a Kodak lab (or former
lab). Ther is no option to drop it off at a store. When the Hemel
Hempstead (UK) lab closed, they did the same thing that they now do at
Lausanne; the accept postal deliveries but actually bulk ship them to
another lab and then bring them back. they did that for a few years
and the nstopped. I guess the same will apply at Lausanne.

When the Lausanne lab closed the style of mounts changed and also I
noted that the lab was not used to dealing with split frame stereo
slides (which require ordinary mounts). Quite often I get sent a free
film and an apology letter when actually there seems to be nothing
wrong with the slides.

Robert

Ha! - I wonder what they thought was wrong with their machine.....I can
just
see the look on their repairman's face when they presented him with one
of
your split frame slides.....:^)-

I had a different but related problem when the Lausanne lab used to
process my split frame stereos. They would decide not to frame them at
all. I would then post the processed film back pointing out they
needed the standard frame. They would then frame them. Eventually
they told me to write "NORMAL MOUNT" across the corner of the enveope
(the corner that you would cut off to get unframed film). That worked
and I stil do it.

Robert

My stereo Realist was a half-frame 35 mm, but it took two photos at the
same
time, and they were mounted in a single strip of cardboard about 2-1/5
inches apart. I no longer have the camera, so I don't know if they still
support that type of mount....I do know that the cardboard strip was less
than 2 inches high. I can barely fit the end of one of them in my
Konica-Minolta film scanner. They are almost too small to be gripped by
the
fingers at the end of the film holder......- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I also have a Realist camera (recently bought). As you say, Kodak
used to offer cardboard mounts in the Realist format but they have not
done that for a very long time. The realist frames are 23mmx24mm so
they were a little bigger than half frame.

Robert

So, do you mount them yourself? - If so, are the mounts still available? I
have pretty much decided that I will have to use a standard SLR, and take
two pictures as close to simultaneously as I can if I take up stereo
seriously again.- Hide quoted text -


I have only just put my first test film into teh Realist so I have not
nounted any yet. but yes, the mounts are widely available. Cardboard
mounts come up on ebay regularly for about 3-4p per mount. You can
get fancy plastic ones and cardboard of every type he
http://www.berezin.com/3d/mounts.htm

You get Realists for 330-£50 on ebay regularly but they typically need
a service and also need the internal flash contacts modifying for
electronic flash (the contacts 'make' a little too early).

Up to now I have used beam splitetrs for mt stereo. i have tried just
about all of them and decided that the Zeiss Ikon (E. German) one was
the best. but now I am branching out both with the Realist and also
twinned SLRs.

it's only when you start using an older camera like the realist that
you realise how much of a boon an built-in exposure meter is!

Robert

Robert wrote:

You get Realists for 330-£50 on ebay regularly but they typically need
a service and also need the internal flash contacts modifying for
electronic flash (the contacts 'make' a little too early).

The good news is that they are very simple mechanicaly and all they
need are a little lighter fluid to dissolve the dried grease and some
fresh oil. While I would not try it at home, any camera repair shop
should be able to do it.


Geoff.


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On Mar 15, 4:21 pm, Tony Polson wrote:

"Robert" wrote:

it's not expensive to post it to Switzerland form the UK (64p,
letter
rate airmail). In fact it is cheaper than than posting it within
the
UK (84p, second class packet).

It used to cost 43p. And I have several times been charged £1.10,
because some Post Office counter staff treat it as an air mail
packet,
rather than an air mail letter.

That's a known problem with the new postage system and it is being
looked at. Basically, a private individual sending it could be
treated as a letter (64p), whereas a business sending it would be
treated as a packet (£1.10).

This ambiguity needs to be sorted out so we all know what we
should
be
paying. There should not be two rates for the same job depending
on
who the sender is. In the meantime, I pay what I am asked to pay,
and
at my usual Post Office, it is unfortunatley the higher figure.

I agree. I have once (out of 30-40 films) had a card from the
sorting
office saying I did not pay enough. I ignored it. BUT, I just went
to
the Royal Mail website to check the definition of an airmail letter
and I find that it has changed recently. the Royal Mail website
now
says:

" A Letter item is anything that contains personalised
correspondence.
"

It used to say (apprximately) : "any personal item that you would
normally send by post up to 2kg"

This is a significant change and has happened recently without much
fanfare.

Robert

I wonder if the thickness of the package enters into the mix? - If
so,
then
perhaps it's cheaper to send the finished product back to the store
where
you dropped it off, than it was to send it to the processing lab to
begin
with, because the canister necessitates calling it a "package"
rather
than
a
"letter". Here in the US, there are few mail slots that I can stuff
the
35mm
canister into. That's why it is more convenient for me to just bring
it
to
the Shutterbug about 3 miles away......- Hide quoted text -

here in the UK we have no option but post it to a Kodak lab (or former
lab). Ther is no option to drop it off at a store. When the Hemel
Hempstead (UK) lab closed, they did the same thing that they now do at
Lausanne; the accept postal deliveries but actually bulk ship them to
another lab and then bring them back. they did that for a few years
and the nstopped. I guess the same will apply at Lausanne.

When the Lausanne lab closed the style of mounts changed and also I
noted that the lab was not used to dealing with split frame stereo
slides (which require ordinary mounts). Quite often I get sent a free
film and an apology letter when actually there seems to be nothing
wrong with the slides.

Robert

Ha! - I wonder what they thought was wrong with their machine.....I
can
just
see the look on their repairman's face when they presented him with
one
of
your split frame slides.....:^)-

I had a different but related problem when the Lausanne lab used to
process my split frame stereos. They would decide not to frame them at
all. I would then post the processed film back pointing out they
needed the standard frame. They would then frame them. Eventually
they told me to write "NORMAL MOUNT" across the corner of the enveope
(the corner that you would cut off to get unframed film). That worked
and I stil do it.

Robert

My stereo Realist was a half-frame 35 mm, but it took two photos at the
same
time, and they were mounted in a single strip of cardboard about 2-1/5
inches apart. I no longer have the camera, so I don't know if they still
support that type of mount....I do know that the cardboard strip was
less
than 2 inches high. I can barely fit the end of one of them in my
Konica-Minolta film scanner. They are almost too small to be gripped by
the
fingers at the end of the film holder......- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I also have a Realist camera (recently bought). As you say, Kodak
used to offer cardboard mounts in the Realist format but they have not
done that for a very long time. The realist frames are 23mmx24mm so
they were a little bigger than half frame.

Robert

So, do you mount them yourself? - If so, are the mounts still available? I
have pretty much decided that I will have to use a standard SLR, and take
two pictures as close to simultaneously as I can if I take up stereo
seriously again.- Hide quoted text -


I have only just put my first test film into teh Realist so I have not
nounted any yet. but yes, the mounts are widely available. Cardboard
mounts come up on ebay regularly for about 3-4p per mount. You can
get fancy plastic ones and cardboard of every type he
http://www.berezin.com/3d/mounts.htm

You get Realists for 330-£50 on ebay regularly but they typically need
a service and also need the internal flash contacts modifying for
electronic flash (the contacts 'make' a little too early).

Up to now I have used beam splitetrs for mt stereo. i have tried just
about all of them and decided that the Zeiss Ikon (E. German) one was
the best. but now I am branching out both with the Realist and also
twinned SLRs.

it's only when you start using an older camera like the realist that
you realise how much of a boon an built-in exposure meter is!

Robert

Yes. I can always use the meter in my F5 to tell me what exposure to use on
any non-metered camera.....It works just as well as a seperate exposure
meter, because the exposure parameters are displayed in the viewfinder.
I have found that portraits look kind of strange in stereo
anyway....they look like everyone is imprisoned in wax. So, I will probably
just take landscapes and architecture which doesn't move anyway, and use my
F5 with a movable base. Then, I will also have the advantage of getting a
full-frame 35mm scene, too.