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Old August 23rd 05, 02:33 AM
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Gisle Hannemyr wrote:

"Rich" writes:


If Canon goes to 23m in the next pro offering, pros will have no
choice (depending on their work) to upgrade again to stay
competitive. Which is unfortunate.



Working pros computes the cost of their gear into the cost of running
a business, a cost which they pass down to their clients. It the pro
has a reasonable productivity, this cost is usually a mariginal cost
(pennies per shot) and in any case it is less than the per-shot cost
associated with film, so an annual upgrade cycle is not a problem for
a professional.


WORKING pros also don't upgrade just because some new gizmo comes on the
market.
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Old August 23rd 05, 03:29 AM
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John A. Stovall wrote:

No a 20D and Rebel XT will not take the same quality photos as a
1DsMkII.


That's assuming you have lenses with the same f-stop and FOV. If you
have a single, long, sharp, telephoto, the 20D and 350D are going to
resolve a small subject better.
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Old August 24th 05, 03:44 AM
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Think about this for a bit. You bought the camera, and use it to either enjoy
taking pictures, or making money, maybe even enjoying that too. Innovations
come along, as that is what R&D departments do. You have your camera, though
it is now, not the latest/greatest. You are probably NOT their target
audience. The photographer, who has YET to upgrade is. Now, if the new body
offers you enough reason to upgrade, then you fall into that target audience.
To get that, you have to amortize the cost v your rates. Simple as that. I buy
camera bodies about once per decade, as an upgrade, though I may pick up two/
three bodies, when I purchase. Unless the maker offers me something special, I
don't buy for many years.

With my workstations, when I buy, I purchase the maximum machine that I can
get. I've upgraded video cards twice, before I ever got the machine(s),
because a newer, better one was released. The second that I fire up my new
box, it is passe. I use my purchase, until I absolutely can amortize the cost
of a new one, with my clients.

If you need to charge more, then justify it to your clients. If you just want
the newest, then expect to dig deeply into your own pockets.

My new '06 MB S-500 depreciated about $10,000 the day I drove it off the lot,
and in '07 they will completely revise the series. Will I get an '07? Nah, I
may keep the '06 for a decade, or longer. Previous MB went for 5 years, but my
Landcruiser was 13 years and 300,000+ miles when I upgraded. Happens
everywhere you look. It all depends on what is right for you.

Hunt

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Old August 24th 05, 03:48 AM
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In article , kz8rt3
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John A. Stovall wrote:

No pro pays for his camera.


What did they do before they were pro?

The OP was right. digital Camera's are sold on bigger, better, and
disposable.

Oh, and if I shoot, but work a grocery store, do I buy my own camera?


If you have already done so, has it ceased to function? Do you need the newer
model? A pro might justify a quick replacement of a body, but most am's hardly
use the capabilities of what they have. Besides the pros, the only ones who
need the latest/greatest, are those who care to boast about their equipment.

Hunt

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Old August 24th 05, 03:59 AM
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In article , says...

"Rich" writes:

If Canon goes to 23m in the next pro offering, pros will have no
choice (depending on their work) to upgrade again to stay
competitive. Which is unfortunate.


Working pros computes the cost of their gear into the cost of running
a business, a cost which they pass down to their clients. It the pro
has a reasonable productivity, this cost is usually a mariginal cost
(pennies per shot) and in any case it is less than the per-shot cost
associated with film, so an annual upgrade cycle is not a problem for
a professional.

It is for for amateurs and part-time photographers (i.e. people that
do not generate a substantial part of the income from photography)
that always having the greatest and latest can be a financial burden.

But nobody forces these people to upgrade! My ten year old 6 Mpx
digicam takes images today that are just as great as it did when
it was new in in 1995. On eBay, this DSLR is cheaper than newer
point and shoots - and it takes less noisy photographs!

Here is a page where my ten year old Kodak compared to my two year
old Canon. The Kodak is winning:
http://folk.uio.no/gisle/photo/dcs460.html
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- gisle hannemyr [ gisle{at}hannemyr.no - http://folk.uio.no/gisle/


Gisle,

You are correct. When Leaf first introduced their 4x5 back, I held off buying
one, as they went for ~ US$30,000 with ancillary hardware. Some competitors
jumped on the digital bandwagon, and went to the bank. Years later, I bought
into digital for less than half, and got so very much more. They were still
paying the notes on their early gear, and I hope they did well, but it was
obsolete by the time it was paid off, or written-down. When one "gets into"
certain gear is the trick, just like buying/selling stock. It is all timing.
If I need it, I buy it, so long as *I* (that is a capital "I" for emphasis)
can justify it, or a particular client, can justify it. Simple business math.

Right now, only my Nikon D70 is on a depreciation schedule, all of my 4x5, 2.
25 Hassy gear and tons of strobes have all depreciated to $0, but they all
work fine.

Hunt

 




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