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In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

If one day the CPU or graphics goes - I'll have to go to Apple. Or just
buy a new machine.

not necessarily. on some macs, the cpu is socketed and you can replace
it yourself. in fact, some people upgraded their core duo mac mini to a
core 2 duo mac mini that way.

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

I guess I must have been very lucky. I bought a cheap low-end Android
smart phone. Every app in it, and every app I've downloaded into it,
has always launched faultlessly whenever I tap the icon. Nothing has
ever crashed. What amazing luck! For a fraction of the cost I got
something that works as well as an iphone!

how is it a fraction of the cost? the price of android phones and
iphones aren't that much different and the price of the service is
going to be the same no matter what phone you have.

My SO got an Android from her cellco. for $10. Does all that Android
****. The cheapest iPhone she could have gotten was $100 (3GS I think).

the 3gs is $0.

On 2012-02-22 18:00 , nospam wrote:
In articlerfqdnQZAXu8c79jSnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews. com, Alan Browne
wrote:

If one day the CPU or graphics goes - I'll have to go to Apple. Or just
buy a new machine.

not necessarily. on some macs, the cpu is socketed and you can replace
it yourself. in fact, some people upgraded their core duo mac mini to a
core 2 duo mac mini that way.

I meant the board. A failure anywhere on the CPU board (incl. CPU)
would likely be uneconomical to test (never mind repair).

--
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer).

On 2012-02-22 18:02 , nospam wrote:
In articlerfqdnQFAXu9L79jSnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews. com, Alan Browne
wrote:

I guess I must have been very lucky. I bought a cheap low-end Android
smart phone. Every app in it, and every app I've downloaded into it,
has always launched faultlessly whenever I tap the icon. Nothing has
ever crashed. What amazing luck! For a fraction of the cost I got
something that works as well as an iphone!

how is it a fraction of the cost? the price of android phones and
iphones aren't that much different and the price of the service is
going to be the same no matter what phone you have.

My SO got an Android from her cellco. for $10. Does all that Android
****. The cheapest iPhone she could have gotten was $100 (3GS I think).

the 3gs is $0.

At the time she got the Android, it was $100 at Rogers v. $10 for the
Android she got. The 3 GS is no longer offered by them. The "4" is now
$49 (8 GB).

--
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer).

On 2012-02-22 18:27 , tony cooper wrote:

So all this talk about PC makers buying from the lowest-cost supplier
and Apple using better components is all bogus? Apple's using the
same standard stuff as PCs?

It's a bit of each, actually. Commodity parts are what they are. Even
Apple got bit by the tantalum capacitor fiasco.

Apple especially do not crimp on displays - they are high quality.

They eschew the AMD processors (maybe unfairly - these could be great
for the lower end Macs).

Apple graphics processors tend to be high end.

Apple enclosures tend to be of a higher standard manufacture - though
there may be cost benefits due to extreme package engineering.

The Mac Pro is expensive in its enclosure design. Functionally refined,
but not a cheap approach.

But, when a Mac is finished, it is functionally the same as a PC.

Indeed, contrary to what most people think, pretty much any recent PC
can run the Mac OS - in violation of the OS SLA.

--
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer).

In article , tony cooper
wrote:

Which is the problem - if Apple made cars then you would have to buy Apple
tyres and Apple petrol and Apple screen wash [etc.] and it would all cost
double what it would from Esso, or Texaco. Of course you could fit your own
tyres and fill up at Chevron, BUT then crapple would refuse to honour the
warranty.

nonsense. macs use standard off the shelf parts, including standard
sata hard drives, standard memory dimms, standard usb peripherals and
standard dvi and displayport displays. macs can plug into any ethernet
or wifi network (the 'roads') too. *none* of that voids the warranty.

So all this talk about PC makers buying from the lowest-cost supplier
and Apple using better components is all bogus? Apple's using the
same standard stuff as PCs?

there's a lot more to a computer than just a box of parts, and it
wasn't me who made that claim either.

apple generally does not use the lowest cost parts because it makes for
crappy products. for instance, apple uses ips lcd displays versus tn
lcds, dedicated gpu versus integrated gpu, firewire 800 versus no
firewire at all, backlit keyboard versus non-backlit, etc. other
companies might choose to use lower spec parts and hit a cheaper price
point, but then it's not the same product since the specs are
different.

the point above is that nothing is voided by using non-apple parts.

On 2012-02-22 18:28 , tony cooper wrote:
On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 18:02:39 -0500,
wrote:

In articlerfqdnQFAXu9L79jSnZ2dnUVZ_jadnZ2d@giganews. com, Alan Browne
wrote:

I guess I must have been very lucky. I bought a cheap low-end Android
smart phone. Every app in it, and every app I've downloaded into it,
has always launched faultlessly whenever I tap the icon. Nothing has
ever crashed. What amazing luck! For a fraction of the cost I got
something that works as well as an iphone!

how is it a fraction of the cost? the price of android phones and
iphones aren't that much different and the price of the service is
going to be the same no matter what phone you have.

My SO got an Android from her cellco. for $10. Does all that Android
****. The cheapest iPhone she could have gotten was $100 (3GS I think).

the 3gs is $0.

Yes, you can just walk into an Apple store and walk out with a 3GS
phone at no cost and no obligation. It's called "shoplifting".

Or you can sign the 2 or 3 year contract that allows you to walk out
with it. The $10 Android is subsidized by the contract too.

Most phones from cell co providers are.


--
"We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty."
Douglas Adams - (Could have been a GPS engineer).

In article , tony cooper
wrote:

My SO got an Android from her cellco. for $10. Does all that Android
****. The cheapest iPhone she could have gotten was $100 (3GS I think).

the 3gs is $0.

Yes, you can just walk into an Apple store and walk out with a 3GS
phone at no cost and no obligation. It's called "shoplifting".

either you're an idiot or you're trolling (maybe both).

alan's so didn't leave the store with a phone for $10 either.

phones are normally sold with contracts and i'm sure you know that.

On Wed, 22 Feb 2012 17:50:15 -0500, nospam
wrote:

In article , R. Mark Clayton
wrote:

Which is the problem - if Apple made cars then you would have to buy Apple
tyres and Apple petrol and Apple screen wash [etc.] and it would all cost
double what it would from Esso, or Texaco. Of course you could fit your own
tyres and fill up at Chevron, BUT then crapple would refuse to honour the
warranty.

nonsense. macs use standard off the shelf parts, including standard
sata hard drives,

No, not standard hard drives. See
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/12/...-on-new-imacs/
"Apple Restricts Hard Drive Replacements on New iMacs"

... standard memory dimms, standard usb peripherals and
standard dvi and displayport displays. macs can plug into any ethernet
or wifi network (the 'roads') too. *none* of that voids the warranty.

Regards,

Eric Stevens

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

Which is the problem - if Apple made cars then you would have to buy Apple
tyres and Apple petrol and Apple screen wash [etc.] and it would all cost
double what it would from Esso, or Texaco. Of course you could fit your own
tyres and fill up at Chevron, BUT then crapple would refuse to honour the
warranty.

nonsense. macs use standard off the shelf parts, including standard
sata hard drives,

No, not standard hard drives. See

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/05/12/...placements-on-
new-imacs/
"Apple Restricts Hard Drive Replacements on New iMacs"

they did that to improve reliability and it's the only mac with that
issue.

third parties offer cables where any drive can be used, just like they
can in every other model mac.