Nikon D5300 body is $850.00 in Toronto

On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 07:38:23 +0100, David Taylor
wrote:

On 25/10/2013 00:02, RichA wrote:
Priced about average, given it's plastic and not metal.

Whose $? US, CAN, AUS?

Nice camera, though. Would love to try one!


He said Toronto... Canada. Some reviewers say it has some features better than
the 7100. I'm thinking of getting one to replace my D90.

On 26/10/2013 02:01, wrote:
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He said Toronto... Canada.

Yes, but RichA frequently omits key pieces of information!

Some reviewers say it has some features better than
the 7100. I'm thinking of getting one to replace my D90.

It's lighter, has Wi-Fi, and for me the most important features would be
the swivel LCD and GPS. Likely much more sensitive than the D90, but
I've not handled either to compare build and robustness.

--
Cheers,
David
Web: http://www.satsignal.eu

On 27/10/2013 2:56 a.m., David Taylor wrote:
On 26/10/2013 02:01, wrote:
[]
He said Toronto... Canada.

Yes, but RichA frequently omits key pieces of information!

Some reviewers say it has some features better than
the 7100. I'm thinking of getting one to replace my D90.

It's lighter, has Wi-Fi, and for me the most important features would be
the swivel LCD and GPS. Likely much more sensitive than the D90, but
I've not handled either to compare build and robustness.

The D5300 pentamirror viewfinder might be disappointing - if you're used
to the quite reasonable (size and brightness) pentaprism finder in the D90.

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:49:35 +1300, Me wrote:

On 27/10/2013 2:56 a.m., David Taylor wrote:
On 26/10/2013 02:01, wrote:
[]
He said Toronto... Canada.

Yes, but RichA frequently omits key pieces of information!

Some reviewers say it has some features better than
the 7100. I'm thinking of getting one to replace my D90.

It's lighter, has Wi-Fi, and for me the most important features would be
the swivel LCD and GPS. Likely much more sensitive than the D90, but
I've not handled either to compare build and robustness.

The D5300 pentamirror viewfinder might be disappointing - if you're used
to the quite reasonable (size and brightness) pentaprism finder in the D90.

I didn't know that... the view is the main reason I use SLR cameras! I wish
todays cameras had the view I was used to with my old film cameras like the
Minolta F9.

On 27/10/2013 1:12 p.m., wrote:
On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 10:49:35 +1300, Me wrote:

On 27/10/2013 2:56 a.m., David Taylor wrote:
On 26/10/2013 02:01, wrote:
[]
He said Toronto... Canada.

Yes, but RichA frequently omits key pieces of information!

Some reviewers say it has some features better than
the 7100. I'm thinking of getting one to replace my D90.

It's lighter, has Wi-Fi, and for me the most important features would be
the swivel LCD and GPS. Likely much more sensitive than the D90, but
I've not handled either to compare build and robustness.

The D5300 pentamirror viewfinder might be disappointing - if you're used
to the quite reasonable (size and brightness) pentaprism finder in the D90.

I didn't know that... the view is the main reason I use SLR cameras! I wish
todays cameras had the view I was used to with my old film cameras like the
Minolta F9.

It's something for which a visit to a real camera store is needed -
reading specs or reviews talking about xx% view at yy% magnification
isn't IMO a good guide as to what to expect.
Beware with "hands on" that the lower end cameras with pentamirror may
also often have a slow consumer zoom fitted in the store, the higher end
models may have an f2.8 zoom or faster prime lens fitted, exacerbating
the difference.
Given that the standard screens fitted to even FX dlsrs are nearly
useless for critical manual focus, the advantage of better viewfinders
might be overstated, but if you'd been used to say a D90 and looked
through the VF of a D5300, you may find it a very underwhelming experience.

"Me" wrote:

It's something for which a visit to a real camera store is needed - reading
specs or reviews talking about xx% view at yy% magnification isn't IMO a
good guide as to what to expect.

I find that there's a big difference between 95% and 98%. The latter allows
you to compose critically in the viewfinder and rarely be surprised. With a
95% view and wide angles, the stuff you so carefully composed out of your
picture sneaks back in. Sure, you can crop it out in post, but then your
17mm lens just became a boring 20mm lens. I doubt that I'd find a difference
between 98% and 100%, though. (The sleaze here is that it's 95% of the
linear dimension, so you lose 10% of the area with a 95% viewfinder, but
only 4% with a 98% viewfinder. Missing 10% of your field of view is pretty
big, 4%, not so much.)

Given that the standard screens fitted to even FX dlsrs are nearly useless
for critical manual focus, the advantage of better viewfinders might be
overstated, but if you'd been used to say a D90 and looked through the VF
of a D5300, you may find it a very underwhelming experience.

Do most crop cameras still suffer from tunnel-vision viewfinders? Having
used the 5D and 5DII, there's no way I'm going back to those. (I remember
falling in love with the Nikon F100 viewfinder way back when; I decided to
go MF, so never bought one. But the MF viewfinders are poor in comparison.
Sigh.) It ought to be possible to make a crop camera without the
tunnel-vision effect, I'd think, but I haven't seen one yet.

Sheesh, that's one ugly camera:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikon-d5300/2

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

BobF wrote:

I didn't know that... the view is the main reason I use SLR cameras! I wish
todays cameras had the view I was used to with my old film cameras like the
Minolta F9.

Check out the Nikon D600: 100% view pentaprism finder, same 0.7x mag as the
D800. If it's anything like the F100, you'll love it.

With the D600, there's no reason whatsoever to put up with APS-C any more.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

On 27/10/2013 3:25 p.m., David J. Littleboy wrote:

BobF wrote:

I didn't know that... the view is the main reason I use SLR cameras! I
wish
todays cameras had the view I was used to with my old film cameras
like the
Minolta F9.

Check out the Nikon D600: 100% view pentaprism finder, same 0.7x mag as
the D800. If it's anything like the F100, you'll love it.

With the D600, there's no reason whatsoever to put up with APS-C any more.

D610 perhaps, unless you want to gamble that not all D600s suffer from
oil/crap being splattered over the sensor.
But it depends what you want. The D7100 outperforms the D610 in some
ways (AF system in particular), yet is about half the price. The
pentaprism in the D7100 doesn't give quite as large view as that in FX
models, but is streets ahead of pentamirror Dx format dslrs.
Base ISO dynamic range is better than many FX dslrs, high ISO
performance shows the 1 stop theoretical advantage that FX offers,
resolution is the same.
Meh. Unless there was a specific reason to "need" Fx (low light
shooting, legacy glass, need for extra shallow DOF) then FX is probably
false economy for many folks.
Nikon and Canon don't want you to believe this though - not when they
have a monopoly on FX dslrs.

On Sun, 27 Oct 2013 11:25:55 +0900, "David J. Littleboy"
wrote:


BobF wrote:

I didn't know that... the view is the main reason I use SLR cameras! I wish
todays cameras had the view I was used to with my old film cameras like the
Minolta F9.

Check out the Nikon D600: 100% view pentaprism finder, same 0.7x mag as the
D800. If it's anything like the F100, you'll love it.

With the D600, there's no reason whatsoever to put up with APS-C any more.

Funny thing... I own a D600!

But I don't always want to carry around $4000 worth of camera and lens... I'm
quite happy with my old D90 but it is old and the movie mode is ****. I wish the
5300 was cheaper, it seems a little pricey to me. One of my nephews has the
little 3200 I think it is and it takes really good pictures! He got it on sale
for around $400 with a kit lens.

I was looking at the small Canons as well, figuring I would only have to buy 1
lens for it just for "carry around" use. Unfortunately the Rebel line has gotten
quite expensive as well. Maybe I can get a deal on a T3i somewhere...