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Old May 26th 14, 12:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2014.05.25, 21:34 , Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 21:00:10 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

what ends up happening is you swap during a break leaving a fair number
of photos left. it all depends just how tight you want to cut it.

Kids? What a ridiculous claim that shooting
photographs of kids - doing anything - doesn't present a time to swap
cards.

depends what they're doing. most of the time, sure, there will be a
lull where one can swap. but as above, that won't always be the case.

I've never seen any event of any kind where the well prepared (cards in
pocket) couldn't manage the swap at some point.


at some point sure, but what ends up happening is the card may not be
completely filled when it's swapped out.

that won't matter if it's just a few photos, but's not always just a
few photos. sometimes it can be 50 or more, which is a fair amount of
space that will go unused. it all depends just how tight you want to
cut it.

for the person who said he uses 2 gig cards, he be doing a lot of
swapping that otherwise would not be needed. why swap if you don't have
to?


You're making an assumption that is not based on reality.


When has that stopped nospam?

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  #112  
Old May 26th 14, 12:35 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2014.05.25, 21:00 , nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

what ends up happening is you swap during a break leaving a fair number
of photos left. it all depends just how tight you want to cut it.

Kids? What a ridiculous claim that shooting
photographs of kids - doing anything - doesn't present a time to swap
cards.

depends what they're doing. most of the time, sure, there will be a
lull where one can swap. but as above, that won't always be the case.


I've never seen any event of any kind where the well prepared (cards in
pocket) couldn't manage the swap at some point.


at some point sure, but what ends up happening is the card may not be
completely filled when it's swapped out.

that won't matter if it's just a few photos, but's not always just a
few photos. sometimes it can be 50 or more, which is a fair amount of
space that will go unused. it all depends just how tight you want to
cut it.


You can cut it finer or shoot 'til it's full. Very unlikely that the
greatest photo opp in the universe will occur over those few seconds.
And buy more cards too. Instead of 2 GB (As Scott uses), get more 4 GB
cards. etc.

You're pushing points that don't have any weight in the real world.


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  #113  
Old May 26th 14, 12:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2014.05.25, 23:49 , Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 21:34:38 -0400, Tony Cooper
wrote:

On Sun, 25 May 2014 21:00:10 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

what ends up happening is you swap during a break leaving a fair number
of photos left. it all depends just how tight you want to cut it.

Kids? What a ridiculous claim that shooting
photographs of kids - doing anything - doesn't present a time to swap
cards.

depends what they're doing. most of the time, sure, there will be a
lull where one can swap. but as above, that won't always be the case.

I've never seen any event of any kind where the well prepared (cards in
pocket) couldn't manage the swap at some point.

at some point sure, but what ends up happening is the card may not be
completely filled when it's swapped out.

that won't matter if it's just a few photos, but's not always just a
few photos. sometimes it can be 50 or more, which is a fair amount of
space that will go unused. it all depends just how tight you want to
cut it.

for the person who said he uses 2 gig cards, he be doing a lot of
swapping that otherwise would not be needed. why swap if you don't have
to?


You're making an assumption that is not based on reality. A person
with any experience at all in photography is not going to be in a
position where he needs to do "a lot of swapping". A person who has
several two gig cards is more likely to be the type of photographer
who does not come close to filling a two gig card in a shoot.

After one or two experiences where a card was filled before the end of
a shoot, and that person would buy larger cards. Cards are not that
expensive, and Peter - the person in question here - certainly can
afford to buy a larger card if he feels it would be better.

I use an 8 gig card, and did the largest number of images I've ever
done in one day - 285 - at the school event Friday. My camera says I
can shoot 147 more images on that card. (I shoot RAW) I had a
back-up 8 gig card with me, but never needed it.

If I was routinely filling even 60% of the my 8 gig card, I'd be at
store buying a 16 gig card. My usual shoot at a baseball game is less
than one-third of the capacity of the 8 gig card.

You frequently - very frequently - say "it's not about me". Yet, the
assumptions you make are all about you and not about what others see
their needs to be.


Didn't this start with someone saying they used multiple 2 GB cards
which they swapped over as the day went on so as to minimise the risk
of losing everything if one card failed?

"From: Scott Schuckert Message-ID:


That's one of the reasons I use smallish 2 GB SD cards - so as to
keep all my eggs out of one basket."


Sure - and that's Scott's formula and it works for him. I find that too
fine (2 GB) but I could see using 4 GB that way w/o an issue. But I'd
keep those cards on my person (instead of in my bag).


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  #114  
Old May 26th 14, 12:59 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 2014.05.25, 20:29 , Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 09:14:54 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2014.05.24, 19:47 , Savageduck wrote:
On 2014-05-24 23:00:31 +0000, Alan Browne
said:

On 2014.05.24, 10:49 , PeterN wrote:
On 5/24/2014 8:06 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2014.05.23, 19:27 , nospam wrote:
In article , Scott Schuckert
wrote:

That's one of the reasons I use smallish 2 GB SD cards - so as to
keep
all my eggs out of one basket.

either you have a relatively low megapixel camera or you don't mind
managing a ****load of cards.

and by having more cards, the chance of any one of them failing is
higher.

Not a useful factoid. The chances that you have two failed cards in
the
field on the same day are vanishingly small - unless the camera is
causing the damage which would be a different issue altogether.

The higher chance of failure issue you describe is useful for, say, a
twin engine airplane. With two engines spinning at the same time, the
chances of an engine failure are twice that of a single engine
airplane.
OTOH, the single engine pilot is then out of options.


While you are correct, Twin engine planes can still fly on one engine.

An awful lot of Twin Comanche pilots can't attest from the grave on
that one, unfortunately. Same (to a lesser degree) for a lot of
other piston powered twins...

In a CG aft, gross weight case, critical side failure at a high
altitude/high temperature - engine failure just after take off can be
a very, very dicey thing...

My father was happy to be flying a P-38L with twin engines in July 1944,
and not a P-47D, or P-51D.

From the 9th Fighter Squadron History:
“Until the 8th, the missions flown by the squadron were very prosaic


You've quoted that before. Larger twins with huge power margin like the
P-38 don't represent the light twin with critical side failure case
well. They have so much spare power, that they can fly through a
failure with little issue. Going on to complete a mission is a bit
ballsy, and certainly not approved in any sober military organization.

Another issue, at least with a P-38 is that the CG range is narrower (no
passengers in the back, baggage, front-fuel-burn v. passengers who don't
evaporate) so getting caught with a failed fan at aft cg is much less of
an issue.


You may be interested in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lCUk2L7RTnE
in which Keith Skilling tells of the circumstances in which the
Mosquito can develop 'horns'. Keith Skilling is a _very_ experienced
pilot as you can tell from the list of aircraft he talks about having
flown. To that list you can add various Boeing aircraft including 747
and probably 777.


I don't like youtubes where I can find written accounts of things. And
there are a lot of such. One of the better 'catalogs' of such was
section called "I learned about flying from that" in Flying magazine
(maybe they still have it) where pilots would recount (first hand)
things that happened (usually emergencies) that changed their
perspective or procedures or attitude. Some of these stories were funny
in their way (if you forgive the terror involved), some plain procedural
(what went wrong - how we got our butts out of it).

- a Cessna pilot who didn't examine the wing root cabin air inlet before
start up. After he took off and turned towards the sun he opened the
vent inside and in came the wasps.

- a 727 Captain recounts entering an inverted dive (with a full
complement of passengers) and extending the gear, flaps, slats, etc. at
high Mach number...

- Gordon Baxter recounts a gear up landing in his Mooney - right down to
his daughter's exclamation ('sheeeeeeee - it').

- a pilot of a one-of-a-kind research aircraft decides on a "clock
based" fuel management strategy - if the minute hand is to the right,
select right; to the left, select left. But this ignored some
peculiarity of the fuel system vents (that I don't recall) and he ended
up with a lot of fuel dumped early int he flight making his over water
flight too short to make destination (an alternate was close enough).

Those are from memory - I read hundreds of them (that's just Flying mag).

There's the Canadian aviation safety letter that dissects accidents in
specific detail.

AW&ST usually have incident/accident reports in very good detail.

etc. Youtubes are just too time consuming most of the time.

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  #115  
Old May 26th 14, 01:01 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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On 2014.05.25, 20:35 , Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 09:10:38 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2014.05.24, 12:35 , nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

That's one of the reasons I use smallish 2 GB SD cards - so as to keep
all my eggs out of one basket.

either you have a relatively low megapixel camera or you don't mind
managing a ****load of cards.

and by having more cards, the chance of any one of them failing is
higher.

Not a useful factoid. The chances that you have two failed cards in the
field on the same day are vanishingly small - unless the camera is
causing the damage which would be a different issue altogether.

i never said the chances was big. however, carrying eight 2 gig cards
versus one 16 gig card means that chance is now 8x as much. it may
still be quite small, but there is clearly a higher chance of a
failure.


I guess you fail to see that if you picked one of two cards, the 2 or
the 16 and went into the field, you'd have an equal chance of either
failing.

Whereas with 8 x 2 GB cards, the chances may be higher that any given
one will fail, but at least you have all those other cards to use (or
that still have 'take' on them that can be used).


I thought the scenario was that the failure of any one is just as
likely. The fact that you have already used one, or that one has
already failed, has no bearing on the probability of the next one
failing.


I don't think I said differently.



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  #116  
Old May 26th 14, 05:18 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:46:16 -0400, Tony Cooper wrote:


Where is the setting that changes a camera's settings from not being
able to take a photo without a card to being able to? Give an example.


With a Canon 60D there is a setting in the menus that allows you to set
the camera to take or not to take an exposure when there is no card in the
camera. This is so that you can test the camera when there is no card
loaded.


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  #117  
Old May 26th 14, 10:45 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/25/2014 8:44 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 10:23:23 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 5/24/2014 11:27 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , PeterN
wrote:

my statement was completly accurate, except that I said yiu can set the
menu so the shutter won't release with a full card. I knew you would
bite. You aare so anxious to argue, that you never fact check. your own
words prove you FOS.

your statement was only partially correct.

there is a setting for no card, however, there is *no* setting for how
the camera behaves when a card is full.

Do learn how to read.
Do you know the meaninf of the phrase: "Except that?"


Where do I find the "except that"?


Fourth paragraph above.

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  #118  
Old May 26th 14, 10:51 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/25/2014 9:34 PM, Tony Cooper wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 21:00:10 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

what ends up happening is you swap during a break leaving a fair number
of photos left. it all depends just how tight you want to cut it.

Kids? What a ridiculous claim that shooting
photographs of kids - doing anything - doesn't present a time to swap
cards.

depends what they're doing. most of the time, sure, there will be a
lull where one can swap. but as above, that won't always be the case.

I've never seen any event of any kind where the well prepared (cards in
pocket) couldn't manage the swap at some point.


at some point sure, but what ends up happening is the card may not be
completely filled when it's swapped out.

that won't matter if it's just a few photos, but's not always just a
few photos. sometimes it can be 50 or more, which is a fair amount of
space that will go unused. it all depends just how tight you want to
cut it.

for the person who said he uses 2 gig cards, he be doing a lot of
swapping that otherwise would not be needed. why swap if you don't have
to?


You're making an assumption that is not based on reality. A person
with any experience at all in photography is not going to be in a
position where he needs to do "a lot of swapping". A person who has
several two gig cards is more likely to be the type of photographer
who does not come close to filling a two gig card in a shoot.

After one or two experiences where a card was filled before the end of
a shoot, and that person would buy larger cards. Cards are not that
expensive, and Peter - the person in question here - certainly can
afford to buy a larger card if he feels it would be better.


I was not the person who said I use 2 g cards. I did say I did not have
enough cards. I stupidly left my extra cards in the car. An opportunity
for a shoot came up, which could not be repeated, and I ran out of card
space.


I use an 8 gig card, and did the largest number of images I've ever
done in one day - 285 - at the school event Friday. My camera says I
can shoot 147 more images on that card. (I shoot RAW) I had a
back-up 8 gig card with me, but never needed it.

If I was routinely filling even 60% of the my 8 gig card, I'd be at
store buying a 16 gig card. My usual shoot at a baseball game is less
than one-third of the capacity of the 8 gig card.

You frequently - very frequently - say "it's not about me". Yet, the
assumptions you make are all about you and not about what others see
their needs to be.







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Old May 26th 14, 11:09 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On 5/26/2014 12:18 PM, Neil Ellwood wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 13:46:16 -0400, Tony Cooper wrote:


Where is the setting that changes a camera's settings from not being
able to take a photo without a card to being able to? Give an example.


With a Canon 60D there is a setting in the menus that allows you to set
the camera to take or not to take an exposure when there is no card in the
camera. This is so that you can test the camera when there is no card
loaded.


One of the now funny ones was a friend of mine, (on his first instrument
flight,) flew to Maine to buy some lobsters. He put them in a bag,
instead of a crate. The lobsters got out and were crawling all over the
cabin. Some got under the rudder control and brake pedals. He called an
emergency landing at Logan Airport. The FAA inspector agreed that it was
a justifiable emergency, but commented that the airlines would have
gladly sent him a case of lobsters a week for at least five years, to
avoid the problem. His emergency must have cost the airlines hundreds of
thousands of dollars, because of the delay.
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Old May 27th 14, 12:18 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Mon, 26 May 2014 08:01:02 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2014.05.25, 20:35 , Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 25 May 2014 09:10:38 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote:

On 2014.05.24, 12:35 , nospam wrote:
In article , Alan Browne
wrote:

That's one of the reasons I use smallish 2 GB SD cards - so as to keep
all my eggs out of one basket.

either you have a relatively low megapixel camera or you don't mind
managing a ****load of cards.

and by having more cards, the chance of any one of them failing is
higher.

Not a useful factoid. The chances that you have two failed cards in the
field on the same day are vanishingly small - unless the camera is
causing the damage which would be a different issue altogether.

i never said the chances was big. however, carrying eight 2 gig cards
versus one 16 gig card means that chance is now 8x as much. it may
still be quite small, but there is clearly a higher chance of a
failure.

I guess you fail to see that if you picked one of two cards, the 2 or
the 16 and went into the field, you'd have an equal chance of either
failing.

Whereas with 8 x 2 GB cards, the chances may be higher that any given
one will fail, but at least you have all those other cards to use (or
that still have 'take' on them that can be used).


I thought the scenario was that the failure of any one is just as
likely. The fact that you have already used one, or that one has
already failed, has no bearing on the probability of the next one
failing.


I don't think I said differently.


It was your statement "Whereas with 8 x 2 GB cards, the chances may be
higher that any given one will fail ..." from which I inferred that
you were saying that with 8 cards you had a higher chance of failure
with any given one.

I presume that what you meant was that with 8 cards you had a higher
chance of failure with at least one.
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