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Old October 1st 04, 02:17 PM
hba1c
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(hba1c) wrote in message . com...
Two of my friends are getting married. They don't have the funds to
hire a photographer so they were just going to put disposable cameras
around and use those photos. They asked me to take a few shots. By
chance I have studio equipment (Photogenic PowerLights®, Photogenic
PhotoMaster). I was planning to take some posed shots with my studio
lights before the ceremony. The want a shot coming down the aisle and
just two or three during the ceremony. I can use flash when the are
coming down the aisle but not during the ceremony. I don't know what
the lighting situation is in the church.

I was planning on taking Portra 100NC for the posed shots, coming down
the aisle, and some candid shots at the reception. I was thinking
Portra 400NC or Porta 800 for during the ceremony. I was also
thinking a roll of Reala.

They know to take what the get since I am not a professional. Without
me, they will not have much of anything so...

I will be traveling 250 miles the day before and I may not have access
to refrigeration. Any thoughts?


Thanks everyone for the advice. I guess what I should have made clear
is that I am not a professional photographer at all. In the past I
was helping a professional photographer start a business and I ended
up with studio equipment. I have a Canon SLR. I did shoot a wedding
under similar circumstances once before. It actually turned out well
from my amateur point of view. The pressure is that these people are
friends so I want them to have the best results I can produce.

I will not be in town until the night before but I am trying to get
access to the church then so I can see what the lighting will be like.
As I said they want to do the "posed" shots before the ceremony
because they will not have time between the ceremony and reception. I
found a "pro pack" of Porta 160NC 135-8 (10 rolls). Since they are
not looking for the numerous shots a real wedding photographer would
take, I was thinking I would use a couple of those rolls for the posed
shots with studio lights before the ceremony and for the shots coming
down the aisle with my flash. Then I could load a roll of ISO 400 or
800 for the ceremony. I could use another roll of 135-8 for when they
start out of the church. Then I would use a roll of 160NC or Reala (I
have had good luck with Reala) for the reception. When I last talked
with the bride, she only told me about a handful of shots she actually
wanted so I think this will more than cover it without spending a huge
amount of money on film. It also means that I can still be a "guest"
for some of the time!

The processing will be done by a professional lab
http://www.profilmet.com/.

Does this sound like a workable plan?
  #12  
Old October 1st 04, 02:17 PM
hba1c
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(hba1c) wrote in message . com...
Two of my friends are getting married. They don't have the funds to
hire a photographer so they were just going to put disposable cameras
around and use those photos. They asked me to take a few shots. By
chance I have studio equipment (Photogenic PowerLights®, Photogenic
PhotoMaster). I was planning to take some posed shots with my studio
lights before the ceremony. The want a shot coming down the aisle and
just two or three during the ceremony. I can use flash when the are
coming down the aisle but not during the ceremony. I don't know what
the lighting situation is in the church.

I was planning on taking Portra 100NC for the posed shots, coming down
the aisle, and some candid shots at the reception. I was thinking
Portra 400NC or Porta 800 for during the ceremony. I was also
thinking a roll of Reala.

They know to take what the get since I am not a professional. Without
me, they will not have much of anything so...

I will be traveling 250 miles the day before and I may not have access
to refrigeration. Any thoughts?


Thanks everyone for the advice. I guess what I should have made clear
is that I am not a professional photographer at all. In the past I
was helping a professional photographer start a business and I ended
up with studio equipment. I have a Canon SLR. I did shoot a wedding
under similar circumstances once before. It actually turned out well
from my amateur point of view. The pressure is that these people are
friends so I want them to have the best results I can produce.

I will not be in town until the night before but I am trying to get
access to the church then so I can see what the lighting will be like.
As I said they want to do the "posed" shots before the ceremony
because they will not have time between the ceremony and reception. I
found a "pro pack" of Porta 160NC 135-8 (10 rolls). Since they are
not looking for the numerous shots a real wedding photographer would
take, I was thinking I would use a couple of those rolls for the posed
shots with studio lights before the ceremony and for the shots coming
down the aisle with my flash. Then I could load a roll of ISO 400 or
800 for the ceremony. I could use another roll of 135-8 for when they
start out of the church. Then I would use a roll of 160NC or Reala (I
have had good luck with Reala) for the reception. When I last talked
with the bride, she only told me about a handful of shots she actually
wanted so I think this will more than cover it without spending a huge
amount of money on film. It also means that I can still be a "guest"
for some of the time!

The processing will be done by a professional lab
http://www.profilmet.com/.

Does this sound like a workable plan?
  #13  
Old October 1st 04, 03:08 PM
The Wogster
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On 30 Sep 2004 10:57:35 -0700, (hba1c) wrote:

Two of my friends are getting married. They don't have the funds to
hire a photographer so they were just going to put disposable cameras
around and use those photos. They asked me to take a few shots. By
chance I have studio equipment (Photogenic PowerLights®, Photogenic
PhotoMaster). I was planning to take some posed shots with my studio
lights before the ceremony. The want a shot coming down the aisle and
just two or three during the ceremony. I can use flash when the are
coming down the aisle but not during the ceremony. I don't know what
the lighting situation is in the church.

I was planning on taking Portra 100NC for the posed shots, coming down
the aisle, and some candid shots at the reception. I was thinking
Portra 400NC or Porta 800 for during the ceremony. I was also
thinking a roll of Reala.

They know to take what the get since I am not a professional. Without
me, they will not have much of anything so...

I will be traveling 250 miles the day before and I may not have access
to refrigeration. Any thoughts?




One issue, make sure you have at shot at least one roll of each film
you are planning on using, get these processed, and examine the
results BEFORE you go. Never try a new piece of equipment, film or
lab at a shoot where you can't reshoot. Wanna lose a friend, screw
up the wedding photos.

I would try to get a look at the church as well. At least talk to
the Minister (pastor, priest, rabbi, immam etc), some groups have
certain areas that are off limits to non-practioners. I was once at a
Greek Orthadox wedding and the priest had a fit, because the
Videographer stepped on the stairs leading to the "stage" at the front
of the church, this was during the rehersal! Not to say there was
anything wrong with this, it's part of their religion that the stage
is extra holy, that's their right. Don't forget that the minister has
probably done enough weddings to know what works, and what doesn't in
that church.

Ask about lighting conditions, and what kind of lights are in the
church, a building from the 1950's (and earlier) might have
incandescent lights, one from the 60's might have incansdescent spot
lamps, one from the 1970's and 1980's might have florescent, and one
from the 90's and newer could have sodium or mercury vapour,
carbon-arc or halogen lighting. There might also be a mix or
different lighting. Ask about Windows, tiny, small, most of the west
wall, or half the sanctuary? It's not uncommon for an older building,
to have replaced high energy use fixtures with low energy use ones at
some point in history. Ask about when it was built, and try and find
a local church in the same style, with similar lighting, and take some
photos.

Weddings can be fun to shoot, I did my cousins back around 1980, the
wedding was fun, the marriage didn't last...... Just remember your
"working", so stick the the "virgin" drinks.


W












  #14  
Old October 1st 04, 03:08 PM
The Wogster
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On 30 Sep 2004 10:57:35 -0700, (hba1c) wrote:

Two of my friends are getting married. They don't have the funds to
hire a photographer so they were just going to put disposable cameras
around and use those photos. They asked me to take a few shots. By
chance I have studio equipment (Photogenic PowerLights®, Photogenic
PhotoMaster). I was planning to take some posed shots with my studio
lights before the ceremony. The want a shot coming down the aisle and
just two or three during the ceremony. I can use flash when the are
coming down the aisle but not during the ceremony. I don't know what
the lighting situation is in the church.

I was planning on taking Portra 100NC for the posed shots, coming down
the aisle, and some candid shots at the reception. I was thinking
Portra 400NC or Porta 800 for during the ceremony. I was also
thinking a roll of Reala.

They know to take what the get since I am not a professional. Without
me, they will not have much of anything so...

I will be traveling 250 miles the day before and I may not have access
to refrigeration. Any thoughts?




One issue, make sure you have at shot at least one roll of each film
you are planning on using, get these processed, and examine the
results BEFORE you go. Never try a new piece of equipment, film or
lab at a shoot where you can't reshoot. Wanna lose a friend, screw
up the wedding photos.

I would try to get a look at the church as well. At least talk to
the Minister (pastor, priest, rabbi, immam etc), some groups have
certain areas that are off limits to non-practioners. I was once at a
Greek Orthadox wedding and the priest had a fit, because the
Videographer stepped on the stairs leading to the "stage" at the front
of the church, this was during the rehersal! Not to say there was
anything wrong with this, it's part of their religion that the stage
is extra holy, that's their right. Don't forget that the minister has
probably done enough weddings to know what works, and what doesn't in
that church.

Ask about lighting conditions, and what kind of lights are in the
church, a building from the 1950's (and earlier) might have
incandescent lights, one from the 60's might have incansdescent spot
lamps, one from the 1970's and 1980's might have florescent, and one
from the 90's and newer could have sodium or mercury vapour,
carbon-arc or halogen lighting. There might also be a mix or
different lighting. Ask about Windows, tiny, small, most of the west
wall, or half the sanctuary? It's not uncommon for an older building,
to have replaced high energy use fixtures with low energy use ones at
some point in history. Ask about when it was built, and try and find
a local church in the same style, with similar lighting, and take some
photos.

Weddings can be fun to shoot, I did my cousins back around 1980, the
wedding was fun, the marriage didn't last...... Just remember your
"working", so stick the the "virgin" drinks.


W












  #15  
Old October 1st 04, 03:18 PM
Jeremy
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"hba1c" wrote in message
om...

As I said they want to do the "posed" shots before the ceremony
because they will not have time between the ceremony and reception.


If you lack experience and proper equipment, it will probably show up more
on the posed shots than on the candids. People are going to have a certain
level of expectation on those formal shots, which they would not have on
candids.

If your photos are intended for enlargement, I would try to do as much work
as possible using a tripod. That may be a bit clumsy, but you have to work
to closer tolerances in 35mm. Any camera shake will show up when the photos
are blown up, and the lab can't help you because it cannot be corrected.

I haven't shot a wedding in 30 years, so I can't give you current film
recommendations. I used Vericolor back then, because it was a low contrast
film, with excellent flesh tones. You want to use a low contrast emulsion
so that the detail in the bride's dress and the groom's tux is visible. If
you were to use a typical consumer emulsion, you run the risk that the dress
is displayed as one big blob of "white," and the tux is all black--and there
is nothing worse than blown-out highlights in wedding photos.






I
found a "pro pack" of Porta 160NC 135-8 (10 rolls). Since they are
not looking for the numerous shots a real wedding photographer would
take, I was thinking I would use a couple of those rolls for the posed
shots with studio lights before the ceremony and for the shots coming
down the aisle with my flash. Then I could load a roll of ISO 400 or
800 for the ceremony. I could use another roll of 135-8 for when they
start out of the church. Then I would use a roll of 160NC or Reala (I
have had good luck with Reala) for the reception. When I last talked
with the bride, she only told me about a handful of shots she actually
wanted so I think this will more than cover it without spending a huge
amount of money on film. It also means that I can still be a "guest"
for some of the time!

The processing will be done by a professional lab
http://www.profilmet.com/.

Does this sound like a workable plan?



  #16  
Old October 1st 04, 06:55 PM
Bob Hickey
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"hba1c" wrote in message
om...
Two of my friends are getting married. They don't have the funds to
hire a photographer so they were just going to put disposable cameras
around and use those photos. They asked me to take a few shots. By
chance I have studio equipment (Photogenic PowerLights®, Photogenic
PhotoMaster). I was planning to take some posed shots with my studio
lights before the ceremony. The want a shot coming down the aisle and
just two or three during the ceremony. I can use flash when the are
coming down the aisle but not during the ceremony. I don't know what
the lighting situation is in the church.

I was planning on taking Portra 100NC for the posed shots, coming down
the aisle, and some candid shots at the reception. I was thinking
Portra 400NC or Porta 800 for during the ceremony. I was also
thinking a roll of Reala.

They know to take what the get since I am not a professional. Without
me, they will not have much of anything so...

I will be traveling 250 miles the day before and I may not have access
to refrigeration. Any thoughts? Portra or

NPS, either one, but all from the same batch and w/ the same flash. No lab
is going to correct each frame. You could wind up w/ a lot of good shots
rejected "cause of the color cast on a few. Bob Hickey


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Old October 1st 04, 08:37 PM
hba1c
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I appreciate your advice! As I said I don't do this very often. The
church is 250 miles from my home so I will not see it until the day of
the event or maybe the night before. I am just going to have to use
the ISO 400 or 800 whichever will work.

Actually I am not working. I believe I am the only one that will be
attending the wedding that will have anything but a point and shoot or
less. I am doing this as a favor to them. I have told them several
times that I am not a professional and that it could work out okay or
not so okay. I really think I could satisfy them by taking a few
shots with my camera on automatic with my flash and flash bracket.

Since I am doing this as a favor, I can't really afford to shoot rolls
of film before the event. I have used Kodak VPS and similar many
times with acceptable results. I doubt using Portra will be a
problem.

I am an amateur and guest at the wedding with some professional
equipment and a little knowledge doing a favor for two friends. I
would never agree to do a wedding for money.

The Wogster wrote in message . ..
On 30 Sep 2004 10:57:35 -0700, (hba1c) wrote:

Two of my friends are getting married. They don't have the funds to
hire a photographer so they were just going to put disposable cameras
around and use those photos. They asked me to take a few shots. By
chance I have studio equipment (Photogenic PowerLights®, Photogenic
PhotoMaster). I was planning to take some posed shots with my studio
lights before the ceremony. The want a shot coming down the aisle and
just two or three during the ceremony. I can use flash when the are
coming down the aisle but not during the ceremony. I don't know what
the lighting situation is in the church.

I was planning on taking Portra 100NC for the posed shots, coming down
the aisle, and some candid shots at the reception. I was thinking
Portra 400NC or Porta 800 for during the ceremony. I was also
thinking a roll of Reala.

They know to take what the get since I am not a professional. Without
me, they will not have much of anything so...

I will be traveling 250 miles the day before and I may not have access
to refrigeration. Any thoughts?




One issue, make sure you have at shot at least one roll of each film
you are planning on using, get these processed, and examine the
results BEFORE you go. Never try a new piece of equipment, film or
lab at a shoot where you can't reshoot. Wanna lose a friend, screw
up the wedding photos.

I would try to get a look at the church as well. At least talk to
the Minister (pastor, priest, rabbi, immam etc), some groups have
certain areas that are off limits to non-practioners. I was once at a
Greek Orthadox wedding and the priest had a fit, because the
Videographer stepped on the stairs leading to the "stage" at the front
of the church, this was during the rehersal! Not to say there was
anything wrong with this, it's part of their religion that the stage
is extra holy, that's their right. Don't forget that the minister has
probably done enough weddings to know what works, and what doesn't in
that church.

Ask about lighting conditions, and what kind of lights are in the
church, a building from the 1950's (and earlier) might have
incandescent lights, one from the 60's might have incansdescent spot
lamps, one from the 1970's and 1980's might have florescent, and one
from the 90's and newer could have sodium or mercury vapour,
carbon-arc or halogen lighting. There might also be a mix or
different lighting. Ask about Windows, tiny, small, most of the west
wall, or half the sanctuary? It's not uncommon for an older building,
to have replaced high energy use fixtures with low energy use ones at
some point in history. Ask about when it was built, and try and find
a local church in the same style, with similar lighting, and take some
photos.

Weddings can be fun to shoot, I did my cousins back around 1980, the
wedding was fun, the marriage didn't last...... Just remember your
"working", so stick the the "virgin" drinks.


W

  #18  
Old October 1st 04, 08:38 PM
hba1c
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I believe Kodak Portra is the latest version of the film you are
describing. It comes in different versions. The one I will be using
should be "reduced contrast". I hope that will solve the white and
black issue. I am planning to use ISO 400 or 800 so I can hand hold
the camera and us a fast enough shutter speed to eliminate camera
shake. The posed shots will be done with studio lights; two 600ws
Powerlights and an 1200 power pack with 2 heads. Again that should
take care of camera shake. I might even take my boom arm to use for
highlights. I have used this same equipment with 35mm. I had a
couple poster size enlargements made that the recipient loved. A
photographer might not have loved them but the subject did. Hanging
on a wall in a large room they were fine. I also tend to use a soft
focus filter. That seems to help.

I am an amateur and guest at the wedding with some professional
equipment and a little knowledge doing a favor for two friends. I
would never agree to do a wedding for money.

"Jeremy" wrote in message nk.net...
"hba1c" wrote in message
om...

As I said they want to do the "posed" shots before the ceremony
because they will not have time between the ceremony and reception.


If you lack experience and proper equipment, it will probably show up more
on the posed shots than on the candids. People are going to have a certain
level of expectation on those formal shots, which they would not have on
candids.

If your photos are intended for enlargement, I would try to do as much work
as possible using a tripod. That may be a bit clumsy, but you have to work
to closer tolerances in 35mm. Any camera shake will show up when the photos
are blown up, and the lab can't help you because it cannot be corrected.

I haven't shot a wedding in 30 years, so I can't give you current film
recommendations. I used Vericolor back then, because it was a low contrast
film, with excellent flesh tones. You want to use a low contrast emulsion
so that the detail in the bride's dress and the groom's tux is visible. If
you were to use a typical consumer emulsion, you run the risk that the dress
is displayed as one big blob of "white," and the tux is all black--and there
is nothing worse than blown-out highlights in wedding photos.






I
found a "pro pack" of Porta 160NC 135-8 (10 rolls). Since they are
not looking for the numerous shots a real wedding photographer would
take, I was thinking I would use a couple of those rolls for the posed
shots with studio lights before the ceremony and for the shots coming
down the aisle with my flash. Then I could load a roll of ISO 400 or
800 for the ceremony. I could use another roll of 135-8 for when they
start out of the church. Then I would use a roll of 160NC or Reala (I
have had good luck with Reala) for the reception. When I last talked
with the bride, she only told me about a handful of shots she actually
wanted so I think this will more than cover it without spending a huge
amount of money on film. It also means that I can still be a "guest"
for some of the time!

The processing will be done by a professional lab
http://www.profilmet.com/.

Does this sound like a workable plan?

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Old October 1st 04, 11:22 PM
Daniel ROCHA
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hba1c, à écrit :
They know to take what the get since I am not a professional. Without
me, they will not have much of anything so...


You'r choice is good ! I have very liked the Reala for portrait
photography. You can also try the NPH 400, it's a very good film.

You do not want to try b&w ?!

http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/

Regards

--
Daniel Rocha - Photographie
http://www.monochromatique.com


  #20  
Old October 1st 04, 11:22 PM
Daniel ROCHA
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hba1c, à écrit :
They know to take what the get since I am not a professional. Without
me, they will not have much of anything so...


You'r choice is good ! I have very liked the Reala for portrait
photography. You can also try the NPH 400, it's a very good film.

You do not want to try b&w ?!

http://www.monochromatique.com/portrait/

Regards

--
Daniel Rocha - Photographie
http://www.monochromatique.com


 




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