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Old September 17th 18, 03:35 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Bill W
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Default One photog's not so great experience with Apple

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 19:08:26 -0700 (PDT), RichA
wrote:

https://petapixel.com/2018/09/15/my-...hort-not-good/


I planned to move into the Apple world, and I did buy the iPad Pro,
but I have also been watching a lot of videos for the last couple of
months, and it seems that lots and lots of longtime Apple users are
very disappointed in Apple lately, including in their customer
service. I was even reading reviews of the Apple stores in my area,
and the reviews are at best 50/50 between very bad and very good. I am
now having serious doubts about getting an iMac or Macbook. I have
time to think about this, but that Huawei Matebook X is becoming very
tempting. I am tired of Windows, but I do know it after all these
years, and when it has problems, I can at least fix it myself. If I
have problems with a Mac anything, I will be lost. I am grateful that
the iPad has been fine so far.
  #2  
Old September 17th 18, 03:59 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default One photog's not so great experience with Apple

In article , Bill W
wrote:


https://petapixel.com/2018/09/15/my-...-photographer-

and-creative-pro-in-short-not-good/


I planned to move into the Apple world, and I did buy the iPad Pro,
but I have also been watching a lot of videos for the last couple of
months, and it seems that lots and lots of longtime Apple users are
very disappointed in Apple lately, including in their customer
service.


mostly that is because macs haven't had an update in a while.

part of that is intel's fault, who is continually late with new chips.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12693...duction-of-10-
nm-cpus-to-2019
Intel on Thursday announced that it would delay mass production of
its 10 nm processors from 2018 to 2019 due to yield issues.
....
Intel originally planned to commence shipments of its first
processors made using their 10 nm fabrication technology in the
second half of 2016.

apple can't ship what intel can't make.

another part is that the industry has changed and desktops and laptops
have taken a back seat to mobile, and not just apple. the iphone is the
largest part of apple's revenue, so that's what gets the most
attention.

I was even reading reviews of the Apple stores in my area,
and the reviews are at best 50/50 between very bad and very good. I am
now having serious doubts about getting an iMac or Macbook.


people like to complain. very few people post about good service.

the person in the above link got a couple of lemons in a row and
because of that, he thinks every apple product must be bad. he also
believes the price myth, using made up numbers and not matching specs.

he wanted to rant to get some web traffic, which is money in his pocket.

I have
time to think about this, but that Huawei Matebook X is becoming very
tempting. I am tired of Windows, but I do know it after all these
years, and when it has problems, I can at least fix it myself. If I
have problems with a Mac anything, I will be lost.


once you gain familiarity with macs (or ipads for that matter), you'll
know to fix whatever goes wrong, which will be less frequent than with
windows, and easier to fix too.

or just post to rpd
actually csm* would be better.

I am grateful that
the iPad has been fine so far.


that's good.
  #3  
Old September 17th 18, 10:43 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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Default One photog's not so great experience with Apple

On Sun, 16 Sep 2018 22:59:57 -0400, nospam
wrote:

In article , Bill W
wrote:


https://petapixel.com/2018/09/15/my-...-photographer-
and-creative-pro-in-short-not-good/


I planned to move into the Apple world, and I did buy the iPad Pro,
but I have also been watching a lot of videos for the last couple of
months, and it seems that lots and lots of longtime Apple users are
very disappointed in Apple lately, including in their customer
service.


mostly that is because macs haven't had an update in a while.

part of that is intel's fault, who is continually late with new chips.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/12693...duction-of-10-
nm-cpus-to-2019
Intel on Thursday announced that it would delay mass production of
its 10 nm processors from 2018 to 2019 due to yield issues.
...
Intel originally planned to commence shipments of its first
processors made using their 10 nm fabrication technology in the
second half of 2016.

apple can't ship what intel can't make.

another part is that the industry has changed and desktops and laptops
have taken a back seat to mobile, and not just apple. the iphone is the
largest part of apple's revenue, so that's what gets the most
attention.

I was even reading reviews of the Apple stores in my area,
and the reviews are at best 50/50 between very bad and very good. I am
now having serious doubts about getting an iMac or Macbook.


people like to complain. very few people post about good service.

the person in the above link got a couple of lemons in a row ...


Five lemons in a row when you considered the replacements. Then there
2018 MacBook Pro which went to a family member.

... and
because of that, he thinks every apple product must be bad. he also
believes the price myth, using made up numbers and not matching specs.

he wanted to rant to get some web traffic, which is money in his pocket.


What makes you think he made it up? If what he wrote is not correct he
can be sued for gazillions.

I have
time to think about this, but that Huawei Matebook X is becoming very
tempting. I am tired of Windows, but I do know it after all these
years, and when it has problems, I can at least fix it myself. If I
have problems with a Mac anything, I will be lost.


once you gain familiarity with macs (or ipads for that matter), you'll
know to fix whatever goes wrong, which will be less frequent than with
windows, and easier to fix too.


That was past. The experience of the article is now (more or less).

or just post to rpd
actually csm* would be better.

I am grateful that
the iPad has been fine so far.


that's good.

--

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old September 17th 18, 12:30 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
-hh
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Default One photog's not so great experience with Apple

On Sunday, September 16, 2018 at 11:00:01 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
Bill W wrote:

https://petapixel.com/2018/09/15/my-experience-with-apple-as-a-photographer-and-creative-pro-in-short-not-good/


I planned to move into the Apple world, and I did buy the iPad Pro,
but I have also been watching a lot of videos for the last couple of
months, and it seems that lots and lots of longtime Apple users are
very disappointed in Apple lately, including in their customer
service.


mostly that is because macs haven't had an update in a while.


Which is entirely Apple's fault. Now some people will try to blame
Intel for this (see below), but that doesn't excuse bugs in the OS,
or defective motherboards (see iPhone 8 recall), and the all-too-many
other recent examples of Apple shipping "beta" quality products.

part of that is intel's fault, who is continually late with new chips.


That none of the other big PC OEMs .. Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc, manifest having
the same problems coping with Intel makes it all clear that this isn't an
"Intel Problem", but an Apple problem.

For example, the Mac mini hasn't gotten a hardware update for four (4) years.
Its CPU is Intel's 5th Generation "Haswell", and since then, Intel has shipped:

6th Gen - Broadwell (1Q2015)

7th Gen - Skylane (4Q2015) & Kaby Lake (3Q2016)

8th Gen - Coffee Lake (1Q2018) ... which are in the MacBook Pro's which
Apple finally updated in July, a full quarter later than their competition,
who first shipped back in April.


We can similarly look at the Intel Xeon line for the Mac Pro, which has gone
five (5) years without any hardware refreshes. Anyone really want to claim
that Intel hasn't released _any_ Server/Workstation CPUs in five years?

The MacBook Air isn't a spring chicken either; its running on a Broadwell CPU
from 2015, and its last "update" was merely a cull of base specifications to
options, and decreasing the manufacturing line from six discrete models to two.

Meantime, the MacBook & iMac have gone 400+ days since last refresh and
could use the already-shipping Coffee Lake CPUs currently being sold in the
MBP's. About the only rational justification for not having already released them
is that the world's biggest corporation by Market Cap can't afford to have enough
people to walk & chew gum at the same time, so they're staggering their rollouts
(and drawing down existing inventory too), even though from a calendar schedule
standpoint, it means that Apple has already missed the back-to-school sales bump
and is now also quite likely to miss the Christmas sales bubble (again) too.

Yup, its all Intel's fault! /S


another part is that the industry has changed and desktops and laptops
have taken a back seat to mobile, and not just apple. the iphone is the
largest part of apple's revenue, so that's what gets the most
attention.


Yet the Mac still is more profitable than the iPad product line, despite how
the latter gets updates ... and advertising.



I have
time to think about this, but that Huawei Matebook X is becoming very
tempting. I am tired of Windows, but I do know it after all these
years, and when it has problems, I can at least fix it myself. If I
have problems with a Mac anything, I will be lost.


once you gain familiarity with macs (or ipads for that matter), you'll
know to fix whatever goes wrong, which will be less frequent than with
windows, and easier to fix too.



And sometimes the "fix" is to say "**** Apple" and go back to Windows.
Especially for digital photographers, who got abandoned in support by Apple
with both Aperture and iPhoto being EOL'ed (and with some people actually
believing that "Photos" somehow isn't a steaming pile of crap).

In the meantime, I've been finding my desktop Mac having some odd glitches
that *never* used to occur, such as "Fast User Switching" becoming a total
black screen for 30-60 seconds. Similarly, the behavior of "Image Capture"
changing to no longer be able to wake the attached sleeping device. WTF?

And the scare-mongering on Windows is just that: Microsoft has done a
great job in catching up to Apple...credit where credit is due.


-hh
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Old September 17th 18, 05:58 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , -hh
wrote:

I planned to move into the Apple world, and I did buy the iPad Pro,
but I have also been watching a lot of videos for the last couple of
months, and it seems that lots and lots of longtime Apple users are
very disappointed in Apple lately, including in their customer
service.


mostly that is because macs haven't had an update in a while.


Which is entirely Apple's fault.


nope. a large part is intel's fault. they're having a bitch of a time
with their chips, and it's not just apple that has to deal with it.

Now some people will try to blame
Intel for this (see below), but that doesn't excuse bugs in the OS,
or defective motherboards (see iPhone 8 recall), and the all-too-many
other recent examples of Apple shipping "beta" quality products.


those are separate issues, especially the iphone 8, which doesn't use
an intel x86 processor. some versions have an intel baseband but that's
entirely different.

part of that is intel's fault, who is continually late with new chips.


That none of the other big PC OEMs .. Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc, manifest having
the same problems coping with Intel makes it all clear that this isn't an
"Intel Problem", but an Apple problem.


oh yes they do.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/debian-...kylake-kaby-la
ke-processors-have-broken-hyper-threading/
Do you have an Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake processor under your
computer's hood? Have you experienced unexplained application and
system hiccups, data corruption, or data loss? It could be because
your chipset has hyper-threading enabled and the chips are
malfunctioning.

https://www.consumerreports.org/lapt...t-surface-lapt
ops-and-tablets-not-recommended-by-consumer-reports/
Microsoft Surface Laptops and Tablets Not Recommended by Consumer
Reports
The problem is predicted reliability, with estimated two-year
breakage rates of 25 percent

For example, the Mac mini hasn't gotten a hardware update for four (4) years.
Its CPU is Intel's 5th Generation "Haswell", and since then, Intel has
shipped:

6th Gen - Broadwell (1Q2015)

7th Gen - Skylane (4Q2015) & Kaby Lake (3Q2016)

8th Gen - Coffee Lake (1Q2018) ... which are in the MacBook Pro's which
Apple finally updated in July, a full quarter later than their competition,
who first shipped back in April.


the difference in the various generations is not that much and the mini
doesn't sell in huge numbers anyway.

in other words, an updated mini with coffee lake wouldn't be that much
better than what exists now.

We can similarly look at the Intel Xeon line for the Mac Pro, which has gone
five (5) years without any hardware refreshes. Anyone really want to claim
that Intel hasn't released _any_ Server/Workstation CPUs in five years?


apple admitted they made a mistake with the trashcan mac pro.

they've been working on a redesigned mac pro, which will probably be
announced next year sometime.

The MacBook Air isn't a spring chicken either; its running on a Broadwell CPU
from 2015, and its last "update" was merely a cull of base specifications to
options, and decreasing the manufacturing line from six discrete models to
two.


except that it's still selling quite well. not everyone needs top of
the line.

its replacement is the retina macbook, except that they can't make that
at the macbook air price point yet, so they're keeping both, for now.

apple kept the 2012 non-retina macbook around for a few years because
users kept buying them. they also kept the ipad 2 around for a few
years because users kept buying them too.

Meantime, the MacBook & iMac have gone 400+ days since last refresh and
could use the already-shipping Coffee Lake CPUs currently being sold in the
MBP's. About the only rational justification for not having already released
them
is that the world's biggest corporation by Market Cap can't afford to have
enough
people to walk & chew gum at the same time, so they're staggering their
rollouts
(and drawing down existing inventory too), even though from a calendar
schedule
standpoint, it means that Apple has already missed the back-to-school sales
bump
and is now also quite likely to miss the Christmas sales bubble (again) too.

Yup, its all Intel's fault! /S


i said partly intel.

and keep in mind that there's a processor change brewing.

apple's a11 and a12 chips in their iphones are benchmarking in the
range of macbooks, in some cases better, and that's with a chip
designed to run on a small battery in a pocket sized device.

an arm chip designed for a laptop or desktop, not limited to the
thermals, power and size constraints of a phone, would be much better.

another part is that the industry has changed and desktops and laptops
have taken a back seat to mobile, and not just apple. the iphone is the
largest part of apple's revenue, so that's what gets the most
attention.


Yet the Mac still is more profitable than the iPad product line, despite how
the latter gets updates ... and advertising.


mobile is the future.

ios is getting most of the attention.

I have
time to think about this, but that Huawei Matebook X is becoming very
tempting. I am tired of Windows, but I do know it after all these
years, and when it has problems, I can at least fix it myself. If I
have problems with a Mac anything, I will be lost.


once you gain familiarity with macs (or ipads for that matter), you'll
know to fix whatever goes wrong, which will be less frequent than with
windows, and easier to fix too.


And sometimes the "fix" is to say "**** Apple" and go back to Windows.
Especially for digital photographers, who got abandoned in support by Apple
with both Aperture and iPhoto being EOL'ed (and with some people actually
believing that "Photos" somehow isn't a steaming pile of crap).


nonsense.

aperture was a complete market failure.

the majority of mac users chose lightroom over aperture. products that
fail in the marketplace are normally canceled.

when aperture first came out, it was *very* slow. apple said not to use
it on anything slower than a powermac. its speed got better in later
versions but it still was slower than lightroom and also lacked the
seamless integration with photoshop and raw support wasn't as fast as
from adobe. apple cut the price of aperture more than once, but nothing
could save it. it's surprising it lasted as long as it did.

photos is much better than iphoto and *significantly* faster. photos
was never intended to be a replacement for aperture, which is where
most of the complaints come from. its for casual users, not photo
enthusiasts.

In the meantime, I've been finding my desktop Mac having some odd glitches
that *never* used to occur, such as "Fast User Switching" becoming a total
black screen for 30-60 seconds. Similarly, the behavior of "Image Capture"
changing to no longer be able to wake the attached sleeping device. WTF?


impossible to diagnose remotely.

And the scare-mongering on Windows is just that: Microsoft has done a
great job in catching up to Apple...credit where credit is due.


microsoft is doing some cool things and win10 is a huge improvement
over previous windows, but at the end of the day, it's still windows.
  #6  
Old September 17th 18, 05:58 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I was even reading reviews of the Apple stores in my area,
and the reviews are at best 50/50 between very bad and very good. I am
now having serious doubts about getting an iMac or Macbook.


people like to complain. very few people post about good service.

the person in the above link got a couple of lemons in a row ...


Five lemons in a row when you considered the replacements. Then there
2018 MacBook Pro which went to a family member.


some people have bad luck. **** happens. other people have good luck,
maybe winning the lottery. most people are in the middle somewhere.

apple sells hundreds of millions of products per year. do you really
think the majority of them are defective?

meanwhile,
https://www.consumerreports.org/lapt...t-surface-lapt
ops-and-tablets-not-recommended-by-consumer-reports/
Microsoft Surface Laptops and Tablets Not Recommended by Consumer
Reports
The problem is predicted reliability, with estimated two-year
breakage rates of 25 percent.

... and
because of that, he thinks every apple product must be bad. he also
believes the price myth, using made up numbers and not matching specs.

he wanted to rant to get some web traffic, which is money in his pocket.


What makes you think he made it up? If what he wrote is not correct he
can be sued for gazillions.


the price comparisons were made up. nothing was substantiated. they're
completely fabricated numbers to further the myth that macs are more
expensive, which they aren't.

With Apple Care, I was looking to pay around $5,000 for this laptop,
compared to $3,000-$4,000 for a comparable high-end PC.
....
It has a beautiful screen and a beautiful design, but even then,
you¹d only spend $4,000-$5,000 on the PC side for the equivalent of
$7,000 worth of Apple hardware.

he is claiming a $2000 premium for a mac, without saying which mythical
pc can match it. the comparison is bogus. he's even comparing a macbook
*laptop* to a 'high end pc' and not another laptop. he's full of ****.

it's nothing more than an apple sucks rant to get clicks. sadly, it
worked and he's profiting from it.

more stuff he got wrong:
he said the buttons moved on the iphone x. they didn't.

he doesn't know the difference between a mouse, trackpad and cursor:

For example, the mouse would regularly stutter; as I would move the
trackpad, my mouse and keyboard would freeze temporarily as you can
see in this video

one doesn't 'move the trackpad'. the trackpad stays where it is, with
one or more fingers moving across it and/or pressing into it, which
causes the onscreen cursor (what he's incorrectly calling the mouse) to
move.

he's very confused.

also keep in mind that the 'stuttering' could easily be explained if an
external mouse was plugged in (which it probably was).

he showed it not booting with a usb-c cable plugged in, which is almost
certainly because the usb-c cable or the device at the other end of the
cable is non-compliant. note that he doesn't show anything other than
the cable and the mac.

a lot of usb-c cables are crap:
https://bensonapproved.com
All USB Type-C (USB-C) Cables and Accessories are not created
equal. Some will charge most efficiently, others might just fry your
battery. Google Chromebook engineer and Caped Cable Crusader Benson
Leung has been testing USB Type-C (USB-C) cables off Amazon, and it¹s
not just the no-brand products that have been failing.


I have
time to think about this, but that Huawei Matebook X is becoming very
tempting. I am tired of Windows, but I do know it after all these
years, and when it has problems, I can at least fix it myself. If I
have problems with a Mac anything, I will be lost.


once you gain familiarity with macs (or ipads for that matter), you'll
know to fix whatever goes wrong, which will be less frequent than with
windows, and easier to fix too.


That was past. The experience of the article is now (more or less).


huh? wtf are you talking about?
  #7  
Old September 17th 18, 06:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
-hh
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Default One photog's not so great experience with Apple

On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 12:58:21 PM UTC-4, nospam wrote:
-hh wrote:

I planned to move into the Apple world, and I did buy the iPad Pro,
but I have also been watching a lot of videos for the last couple of
months, and it seems that lots and lots of longtime Apple users are
very disappointed in Apple lately, including in their customer
service.

mostly that is because macs haven't had an update in a while.


Which is entirely Apple's fault.


nope. a large part is intel's fault. they're having a bitch of a time
with their chips, and it's not just apple that has to deal with it.


The others (Dell, HP, etc) have still shipped product that was
dependent on Intel...so why are they so consistently outperforming
Apple in the basic innovation to getting updated products to market?



Now some people will try to blame
Intel for this (see below), but that doesn't excuse bugs in the OS,
or defective motherboards (see iPhone 8 recall), and the all-too-many
other recent examples of Apple shipping "beta" quality products.


those are separate issues, especially the iphone 8, which doesn't use
an intel x86 processor. some versions have an intel baseband but that's
entirely different.


That Apple is having such problems across all of their product
lines ... including those without Intel CPUs ... means that the
common problem isn't one supplier (Intel), but at Apple.


part of that is intel's fault, who is continually late with new chips..


That none of the other big PC OEMs .. Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc, manifest having
the same problems coping with Intel makes it all clear that this isn't an
"Intel Problem", but an Apple problem.


oh yes they do.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/debian-...kylake-kaby-la
ke-processors-have-broken-hyper-threading/


No, because the claim was that Intel was unable to meet delivery
schedules for new chips, so noting that there's also been problems
with hyperthreading fails to substantiate that original claim.


Do you have an Intel Skylake and Kaby Lake processor under your
computer's hood?


Yup (Kaby Lake i7).

Have you experienced unexplained application and
system hiccups, data corruption, or data loss?


Nope.

It could be because...[Microsoft Surface]
For example, the Mac mini hasn't gotten a hardware
update for four (4) years. Its CPU is Intel's 5th
Generation "Haswell", and since then, Intel has shipped:

6th Gen - Broadwell (1Q2015)

7th Gen - Skylane (4Q2015) & Kaby Lake (3Q2016)

8th Gen - Coffee Lake (1Q2018) ... which are in the MacBook Pro's which
Apple finally updated in July, a full quarter later than their competition,
who first shipped back in April.


the difference in the various generations is not that much and the mini
doesn't sell in huge numbers anyway.


That's lame excuse-making for the world's biggest by market cap corporation..

Particularly since in the meantime, there's been other companies who sell
similarly small form factor desktop PCs who _have_ been able to keep their
hardware designs up-to-date.


in other words, an updated mini with coffee lake wouldn't be that much
better than what exists now.


Where "not much faster" is ~35% CPU and ~50% higher memory bandwidth.
Even before considering also having higher core counts available.


We can similarly look at the Intel Xeon line for the Mac Pro, which
has gone five (5) years without any hardware refreshes. Anyone
really want to claim that Intel hasn't released _any_ Server/
Workstation CPUs in five years?


apple admitted they made a mistake with the trashcan mac pro.


Way back in April 2017, so where the **** is its replacement already?

Keep in mind that it only took Apple six (6) months to ship "Yikes!".


they've been working on a redesigned mac pro, which will probably be
announced next year sometime.


No, they've *said* that they're working on it. And there still isn't
any firm release date, so it is classical vaporware.

Apple has left open their barn doors so wide that they could announce
on Christmas Day 2019 ... and claim that they're not "late".


The MacBook Air isn't a spring chicken either; its running on
a Broadwell CPU from 2015, and its last "update" was merely a
cull of base specifications to options, and decreasing the
manufacturing line from six discrete models to two.


except that it's still selling quite well. not everyone needs
top of the line.


Try keeping your excuses consistent:
* the mini isn't being updated because it isn't selling well
* the air isn't being updated because it _is_ selling well


its replacement is the retina macbook, except that they can't
make that at the macbook air price point yet, so they're keeping
both, for now.


Amazing how other manufacturers are able to sell both MB and MBA
classes of machine for roughly half what Apple charges. Sure, we
can say that its the OSX secret sauce that makes it worth paying
more, but this much more...not really.


apple kept the 2012 non-retina macbook around for a few years because
users kept buying them. they also kept the ipad 2 around for a few
years because users kept buying them too.


Those were for .edu sales...and the early retina display models had
a pretty steep price markup, which motivated some customers to sidestep
them, just as is being done of late with the non-touchbar MBP's.



Meantime, the MacBook & iMac have gone 400+ days since last
refresh and could use the already-shipping Coffee Lake CPUs
currently being sold in the MBP's. About the only rational
justification for not having already released them is that
the world's biggest corporation by Market Cap can't afford to
have enough people to walk & chew gum at the same time, so
they're staggering their rollouts (and drawing down existing
inventory too), even though from a calendar schedule standpoint,
it means that Apple has already missed the back-to-school sales
bump and is now also quite likely to miss the Christmas sales
bubble (again) too.

Yup, its all Intel's fault! /S


i said partly intel.


While trying to imply that it was the majority fault. So then,
care to put a percentage on it? 10%, sure, but no way in hell
is it more than 25%.


and keep in mind that there's a processor change brewing.


Yeah, I've heard those rumors too. Knowing how Apple likes
to vertically integrate, there's chance, but the problem with
it is that it takes 2+ years for the software vendors to all
provide updates to make a new workflow actually better; BTDT x3.


apple's a11 and a12 chips in their iphones are benchmarking in the
range of macbooks, in some cases better, and that's with a chip
designed to run on a small battery in a pocket sized device.


Still doesn't solve the Application software problem. And given how
Apple is struggling to get even their own core Apps up to 64 bit
clean before they EOL themselves, the prospects of a new CPU change
not being an utter disaster are pretty damn low.


an arm chip designed for a laptop or desktop, not limited to the
thermals, power and size constraints of a phone, would be much better.


If you set your bar low enough, anything is possible. So how
about an Apple ARM that can take on a Xeon class that would be
suitable for a Mac Pro desktop?


another part is that the industry has changed and desktops and laptops
have taken a back seat to mobile, and not just apple. the iphone is the
largest part of apple's revenue, so that's what gets the most
attention.


Yet the Mac still is more profitable than the iPad product line,
despite how the latter gets updates ... and advertising.


mobile is the future.


" … PCs are going to be like trucks. They're still going to be around,
they're still going to have a lot of value, but they're going to be
used by one out of X people"
- Steve Jobs, 2010

And what we're learning about how the public is applying mobile,
particularly under iOS, is that mobile is for content _consumption_
much more so than it is about content _creation_.

ios is getting most of the attention.


As a consumption platform.



I have
time to think about this, but that Huawei Matebook X is becoming very
tempting. I am tired of Windows, but I do know it after all these
years, and when it has problems, I can at least fix it myself. If I
have problems with a Mac anything, I will be lost.

once you gain familiarity with macs (or ipads for that matter), you'll
know to fix whatever goes wrong, which will be less frequent than with
windows, and easier to fix too.


And sometimes the "fix" is to say "**** Apple" and go back to Windows.
Especially for digital photographers, who got abandoned in support by Apple
with both Aperture and iPhoto being EOL'ed (and with some people actually
believing that "Photos" somehow isn't a steaming pile of crap).


nonsense.

aperture was a complete market failure.

the majority of mac users chose lightroom over aperture. products that
fail in the marketplace are normally canceled.

when aperture first came out, it was *very* slow. apple said not to use
it on anything slower than a powermac. its speed got better in later
versions but it still was slower than lightroom and also lacked the
seamless integration with photoshop and raw support wasn't as fast as
from adobe. apple cut the price of aperture more than once, but nothing
could save it. it's surprising it lasted as long as it did.


More excuse making, particularly since the bang-up job that Apple
did with Final Cut serves to illustrate what they can do in the way
of non-crappy software writing when it has leadership attention &
support.


photos is much better than iphoto and *significantly* faster. photos
was never intended to be a replacement for aperture, which is where
most of the complaints come from. its for casual users, not photo
enthusiasts.


photos is faster...but that's it. it still can't even do today what
iPhoto did back in 2015, particularly in terms of DAM. As such, it
wasn't even a decent replacement for iPhoto, let alone Aperture.
The only reason why photos hasn't gotten totally slammed is because
most customers today are iOS based casual users who've never used
anything better.



In the meantime, I've been finding my desktop Mac having some odd glitches
that *never* used to occur, such as "Fast User Switching" becoming a total
black screen for 30-60 seconds. Similarly, the behavior of "Image Capture"
changing to no longer be able to wake the attached sleeping device. WTF?


impossible to diagnose remotely.


Yup...but that doesn't mean that it isn't happening. A quick search
shows that its been reported by others:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/8298329
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/125975/osx-10-9-2-stuck-at-quick-user-switch
https://www.reddit.com/r/osx/comments/76jcbu/fastuser_switching_very_slow_1_min_on_sierra/?st=jm6l9mck&sh=ca9d3da9



And the scare-mongering on Windows is just that: Microsoft has done
a great job in catching up to Apple...credit where credit is due.


microsoft is doing some cool things and win10 is a huge improvement
over previous windows, but at the end of the day, it's still windows.


The old saying "Better is the Enemy of Good Enough" applies.


-hh
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-hh:
That Apple is having such problems across all of their product
lines ... including those without Intel CPUs ... means that the
common problem isn't one supplier (Intel), but at Apple.


The allegation that Apple is having problems across its product lines
is fake news; a flat-out lie. Apple still makes the best running, most
reliable, most elegant computers (wrist, pocket, laptop, desktop) in
the industry.

"One" photographer's not-so-great experience is just that; the
experience of *one* person. Apple continues to lead the industry in
customer satisfaction. Indeed, a high level of customer satisfaction is
the *only* way to build a company that is as successful as Apple is.
Flimflam will get you maybe six months of success.

So, it appears that you have identified two people who are having
problems: one photographer, and yourself, a certified Apple envier.

--
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

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Old September 17th 18, 08:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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In article , Davoud
wrote:

-hh:
That Apple is having such problems across all of their product
lines ... including those without Intel CPUs ... means that the
common problem isn't one supplier (Intel), but at Apple.


The allegation that Apple is having problems across its product lines
is fake news; a flat-out lie. Apple still makes the best running, most
reliable, most elegant computers (wrist, pocket, laptop, desktop) in
the industry.


correct.
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Old September 17th 18, 10:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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On Monday, September 17, 2018 at 3:00:16 PM UTC-4, Davoud wrote:
-hh:
That Apple is having such problems across all of their product
lines ... including those without Intel CPUs ... means that the
common problem isn't one supplier (Intel), but at Apple.


The allegation that Apple is having problems across its product lines
is fake news; a flat-out lie.


Granted, there is some hype of news, but Apple has also been having
legitimate quality problems.

For example, its not a "lie" that there's an iPhone 8 motherboard recall:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2018/09/04/apple-issues-recall-for-defective-iphone-8-offers-free-repair-with-outrageous-caveat/

And its not a lie that there's been an iPhone 7 service program too:
https://www.apple.com/support/iphone-7-no-service/

oh, and the 6s as well:
https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/

Plus there's the much-discussed replacement iPhone batteries that
Apple announced earlier this year, where they knocked back the
cost from $79 to $29, plus gave refunds for earlier repairs:

https://phys.org/news/2018-05-apple-refunds-paid-iphone-battery.html

None of which have anything to do with Intel.

And there's also been the MB & MBP butterfly keyboard problem that
now appears to have finally been fixed, although with minimal admission
to the design flaw, other than that they've offered a 'service program':

https://www.apple.com/support/keyboard-service-program-for-macbook-and-macbook-pro/

Oh, and there's the battery on the non-TB 13" MBP:

https://www.apple.com/support/13inch-macbookpro-battery-replacement/

And these aren't Intel's fault either.

Plus this is just the hardware side; there's been plenty of OS glitches
as well as insecure Apps in the App Sto

https://threatpost.com/top-macos-app-exfiltrates-browser-histories-behind-users-backs/137247/

Apple still makes the best running, most reliable, most elegant
computers (wrist, pocket, laptop, desktop) in the industry.


That's been Apple's reputation, but as a long time Apple customer
(and stockholder), its my opinion that they're riding on their laurels,
as their stuff isn't superior in the same ways that it used to be.
For example, I've been very pleasantly surprised at just how comparable
my Dell Latitude 7280 is in comparison to my 13" MBP ... and this is
even before considering that the Dell happened to have cost less.


"One" photographer's not-so-great experience is just that; the
experience of *one* person.


Perhaps you didn't notice that I didn't discuss that individual's
experiences at all...but I will now: granted, some people just
have some good or bad luck ... but as another noted, having five (5)
bad lucks in a row is pretty extraordinarily crappy bad luck.


Apple continues to lead the industry in customer satisfaction.


Some of which is self-perpetuating, just like other premium brands.

Indeed, a high level of customer satisfaction is the *only* way
to build a company that is as successful as Apple is.
Flimflam will get you maybe six months of success.


Actually, the duration of customer goodwill depends on the nature
of the reputation, including how 'hard' or 'soft' the product
differentiator is, as well as the lifecycle or "half life" of the
products in question.

For example, for a durable good that traditionally has a 20 year
lifespan, its manufacturer can "cheapen" it down to a ~7 year lifespan
and not have their reputation be adversely affected for a good 5-6
years ... FYI, this is the current status of the refrigerator market.


So, it appears that you have identified two people who are having
problems: one photographer, and yourself, a certified Apple envier.


An Apple envier? No, more like a disenchanted customer & increasingly
cynical APPL stockholder. I'm afraid that its only increasingly a
matter of time until Apple pulls a Sony and crashes the whole company,
particularly since they've been becoming increasingly unbalanced with
more and more reliance on the iOS ecosystem to the exclusion of their
diversity into other areas.


But please entertain us with how I'm supposedly "envious", particularly
in light of how I've expressed frustration at the lack of a viable new
Mac Pro to replace my current ones...as well as how for my workflow use
case, a Windows PC would save me ~$2K per seat. Sure, OS X is nice, but
is it still ~$2K worth of nice?


-hh
 




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