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This guy mattered more than Jobs the Toymaker



 
 
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Old October 16th 11, 01:57 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
Rich[_6_]
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The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his
colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...hie-obit-bell-
labs/index.html

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Old October 16th 11, 09:48 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On Sat, 15 Oct 2011 19:57:16 -0500, Rich wrote:

The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his
colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...abs/index.html


I've unwrapped the URL. Apart from that, I agree with you.

There is also Farmwald and Horowitz who with their co-workers are
responsible for inventions without which no modern computers would
exist.

Regards,

Eric Stevens
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Old October 17th 11, 04:00 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On 10/16/2011 10:11 PM, otter wrote:

As much as I respect Dennis Ritchie and invention of the C programming
language, it was really just one thing, and not without warts.


He is also justifiably called a co-creator of Unix, and those two
technologies set the stage for the vast majority of computing today.

Under Mr. Jobs leadership, on the other hand, Apple produced and
brought to market _four_ product that created permanent cultural
change. None of those products were "wart free" either.

To worker bees like myself, trying to judge which giant was shook
the earth more is an exercise in futility.

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You don't have to sort of enhance reality. There is nothing
stranger than truth. -- Annie Leibovitz
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Old October 17th 11, 04:41 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave wrote:

On Oct 16, 1:57*am, Rich wrote:
The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his
colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...hie-obit-bell-
labs/index.html


Welll it's easy isn;t it, how about Michael Faraday ?
Without him I doubt they#'d hads been a C program or UNIX.

But we can never really say whether or not one person has the
ultimate
of importance in their field as most relay on others.
Then what aboput teh first grpoup of peole that invented the written
word or symbol
without them deniis ritchie or even ourselves would probalby be
learning/teaching
how to skin animals or sowing corn or whatever, even camera designers
would be
working in fieilds.
So I';m not sure how relivant it is to go back as say one person isn't
as important as another.

I;'d heard that the reason WWII came about was because Hitlers mother
was going to have an abortion
but her doctor talked her out of it, so is that doctor responsible for
WWII .


And the Virgin Mary should have said "No".
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Old October 17th 11, 04:44 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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On 2011-10-17 02:30:04 -0700, Whisky-dave said:


I;'d heard that the reason WWII came about was because Hitlers mother
was going to have an abortion
but her doctor talked her out of it, so is that doctor responsible for
WWII .



It would be just as reasonable to say the only reason Hitler came to
power, and subsequently WWII came about, was because the Central powers
lost WWI, and Germany was gutted by the Western Allies in 1919 with the
Treaty of Versailles.

--
Regards,

Savageduck

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Old October 17th 11, 06:38 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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In article , otter wrote:
On Oct 15, 7:57=A0pm, Rich wrote:
The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his
colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...hie-obit-bell-
labs/index.html


As much as I respect Dennis Ritchie and invention of the C programming
language, it was really just one thing, and not without warts.

Steve Jobs and Woz brought us the first useful personal computer, the
Apple II. And then they stole some ideas and gave us the Mac, which
led to Windows, and the windowing guis in the unix/linux world. Then
add on the "toys" at Apple, and a few other things to get a true idea
of the scope of Steve Jobs' accomplishments.

No reason to put down either man, or even compare them.

You are seriously disrepecting what Atari and Commodre brought to the table.
When the mac came out , it was black and white, and a year later the Atari ST
and commodore amiga blew out of the water what apple and the current PC world
at the time had to offer. Add a few apple roms to a discovery cart on your ST
and you were running mac apps fater that a real mac at the time
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Old October 17th 11, 06:42 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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In article , Mike Benveniste wrote:
On 10/16/2011 10:11 PM, otter wrote:

As much as I respect Dennis Ritchie and invention of the C programming
language, it was really just one thing, and not without warts.


He is also justifiably called a co-creator of Unix, and those two
technologies set the stage for the vast majority of computing today.

Under Mr. Jobs leadership, on the other hand, Apple produced and
brought to market _four_ product that created permanent cultural
change. None of those products were "wart free" either.


What? the MP3 player? already out long before the iPod , Pad computing? I had
a HP laptop/PAD PC years before the ipad came out etc... etc...


The only cultural change i see is the millions of duchebag teens and adults
who feel the constant need to update their stupid facebook pages with stuff
like "eating lunch now" , "Taking **** now" etc.....


To worker bees like myself, trying to judge which giant was shook
the earth more is an exercise in futility.

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Old October 17th 11, 06:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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In article , Irwell wrote:
On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 02:30:04 -0700 (PDT), Whisky-dave wrote:

On Oct 16, 1:57*am, Rich wrote:
The underpinning of our computer world rides on this fellow's and his
colleague's efforts, not Apple adult toys.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/14/tech/i...hie-obit-bell-
labs/index.html


Welll it's easy isn;t it, how about Michael Faraday ?
Without him I doubt they#'d hads been a C program or UNIX.

But we can never really say whether or not one person has the
ultimate
of importance in their field as most relay on others.
Then what aboput teh first grpoup of peole that invented the written
word or symbol
without them deniis ritchie or even ourselves would probalby be
learning/teaching
how to skin animals or sowing corn or whatever, even camera designers
would be
working in fieilds.
So I';m not sure how relivant it is to go back as say one person isn't
as important as another.

I;'d heard that the reason WWII came about was because Hitlers mother
was going to have an abortion
but her doctor talked her out of it, so is that doctor responsible for
WWII .


And the Virgin Mary should have said "No".


So should Abrahams wife then.
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Old October 17th 11, 08:43 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
Mike Benveniste
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On 10/17/2011 1:42 PM, GMAN wrote:

What? the MP3 player? already out long before the iPod , Pad computing? I had
a HP laptop/PAD PC years before the ipad came out etc... etc...


Building the technology is one thing, but history shows that "if
you build it they will come" is a lousy business strategy. What Mr.
Jobs excelled at was bringing technology to the market in a way
which took it out of the realm of the technophiles/geeks/nerds/etc
and into mainstream culture. That's a very different skill than
Mr. Ritchie.

There were several microcomputers marketed before the Apple ][,
including some based on 8-bit Motorola chips. Today, they are
historical footnotes.

Computers with GUI's existed before the Macintosh, including Apple's
own Lisa. You can assert the technical superiority of Atari and
Commodore's offerings as much as you want, but they never made
it into mainstream use. The same is true of various 8088 and 8086
machines that were superior to the IBM PC. Footnotes all.

Laser printers existed before the Apple LaserWriter. I don't count
this one as one of the 4, but if you remember what it was like
dealing with fonts with the early HP LaserJet's, you might well
put it on the list. Without the LaserWriter, desktop publishing
would have taken a far different path.

As you point out, MP3 players existed before the iPod. The combination
of the iPod, iTunes, and the iTunes store legitimized digitally
downloaded music and brought it into the mainstream.

Finally, smartphones existed before the iPhone, and today Android
phones outsell iPhone's rather handily. But if you take a look at
other smart phones before and after the iPhone, you can see how
the iPhone was a game changer. If you need a reminder of that, compare
the amount of press given the iPhone 4s's release as compared to any
other mobile related technology. There's an app for that.

I think the jury is still out on the iPad. After the iPhone, it
was clear we'd see a spectrum of device sizes, even though UMPC's
had failed miserably. On the plus side, none of the other tablets
so far have made a dent in iPad sales or market share. On the
minus side, the iPad is currently too expensive and is suboptimal
as a book reader.

--
Mike Benveniste -- (Clarification Required)
Its name is Public opinion. It is held in reverence. It settles
everything. Some think it is the voice of God. -- Mark Twain
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Old October 17th 11, 08:56 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.digital
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Savageduck wrote:
On 2011-10-17 02:30:04 -0700, Whisky-dave
said:

I;'d heard that the reason WWII came about was because Hitlers mother
was going to have an abortion
but her doctor talked her out of it, so is that doctor responsible
for WWII .



It would be just as reasonable to say the only reason Hitler came to
power, and subsequently WWII came about, was because the Central
powers lost WWI, and Germany was gutted by the Western Allies in 1919
with the Treaty of Versailles.


Quite.

Also, you could say the Central Powers lost the war unconditionally because
the U.S. entered it in 1917, with great quantities of fresh troops,
munitions and food. The European forces by then were pretty much exhausted
on both sides, and probably would have had to settle the whole thing
eventually with something much less drastic and punitive than the Versailles
treaty.

Also, if Chamberlain, humiliated after Munich, had not out of pique made
those foolish guarantees to Poland, the Poles probably would have been
reasonable about negotiating with Hitler over the matter of returning Danzig
to Germany -- which most British, even the bellicose Churchill, thought
should have been done anyway. Danzig was ethnically 95% German and wanted to
be returned to Germany just as much as Hitler wanted it returned. There
might have been a war anyway, but it wouldn't have been another world war.
Hitler certainly never wanted war with Britain or any other part of the
west.

Also, if a certain butterfly had not fluttered by in quite that way at just
the right moment in Indonesia, of course everything might have been
different. ;-)


 




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