A Question of Faith [in film]

"It's enthralling when you come to develop the images
because you have no idea what's going to come out -
and there's no guarantee that anything will come out
at all!"

Anthony Browell
B&W Magazine (UK)
July 2006


--
Nicholas O. Lindan, Cleveland, Ohio
Darkroom Automation: F-Stop Timers, Enlarging Meters
http://www.nolindan.com/da/index.htm
n o lindan at ix dot netcom dot com

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"It's enthralling when you come to develop the images
because you have no idea what's going to come out -
and there's no guarantee that anything will come out
at all!"

Anthony Browell
B&W Magazine (UK)
July 2006




How *dare* you suggest that film has any redeeming qualities at all:
That's terribly insulting to digital!
;-)

Now for the posts from the Digitologist Tag-Team...

Chris Loffredo wrote:
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"It's enthralling when you come to develop the images
because you have no idea what's going to come out -
and there's no guarantee that anything will come out
at all!"

Anthony Browell
B&W Magazine (UK)
July 2006




How *dare* you suggest that film has any redeeming qualities at all:
That's terribly insulting to digital!
;-)

Now for the posts from the Digitologist Tag-Team...

Naw it has nothing to do with digital, but nice try at turning this
thread in to a film vs digital war.

Scott

Scott W wrote:
Chris Loffredo wrote:
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"It's enthralling when you come to develop the images
because you have no idea what's going to come out -
and there's no guarantee that anything will come out
at all!"

Anthony Browell
B&W Magazine (UK)
July 2006



How *dare* you suggest that film has any redeeming qualities at all:
That's terribly insulting to digital!
;-)

Now for the posts from the Digitologist Tag-Team...

Naw it has nothing to do with digital, but nice try at turning this
thread in to a film vs digital war.

Just trying to illustrate the "logic" used by certain
foaming-at-the-mouth film haters...

Chris Loffredo wrote:

Now for the posts from the Digitologist Tag-Team...

Naw it has nothing to do with digital, but nice try at turning this
thread in to a film vs digital war.

Just trying to illustrate the "logic" used by certain
foaming-at-the-mouth film haters...

Coming from a foaming-at-the-mouth digital hater.

Annika1980 wrote:
Chris Loffredo wrote:
Now for the posts from the Digitologist Tag-Team...
Naw it has nothing to do with digital, but nice try at turning this
thread in to a film vs digital war.
Just trying to illustrate the "logic" used by certain
foaming-at-the-mouth film haters...

Coming from a foaming-at-the-mouth digital hater.


Actually, believe it or not, I'm not a digital hater.
And I use digital in various forms as well as film.

When it comes down to it, I'm more and more convinced that the
Digitologists (the film-haters and "Luddite"-chanters) are nothing more
than common and boring brand-fetishists...

Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"It's enthralling when you come to develop the images
because you have no idea what's going to come out -
and there's no guarantee that anything will come out
at all!"

OK, I'll bite at that juicy bait.

Is "enthralling" another word for stupid?

Sometimes to experience the same "enthrallment" I'll give my 20D to my
wife and tell her to either take out the CF card or leave it in, but
don't tell me which she did.
That way, I have no idea what's going to come out and there's no
guarantee that anything will come out at all. You can cut the
excitement with a knife!

All seriousness aside,
As a part-time film shooter (non-Luddite variety), I too experience the
anxiety associated with getting one's pics developed, and not knowing
what you're gonna get. But I consider that a bad thing, not a good
thing. I'd rather know at the time of the shot so I can make whatever
adjustments might be necessary right on the spot.

I leanred this the very first day I had my Fabulous EOS-1V when I shot
about 3 rolls of Tiger Woods with the Exposure Compensation setting
accidentally set to -3. And way back in the dark ages I once shot a
whole 36 shot roll at The Masters with my brother's Pentax. I got some
great shots of Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, and Tom Watson. Or at
least I would have had the film been fully wound around the sprocket.
As it was, I was just shooting air. I don't miss those days and those
screw-ups. But I'll bet none of you film pros have ever done anything
stupid like that, huh? Got any stories to share?

Annika1980 wrote:
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"It's enthralling when you come to develop the images
because you have no idea what's going to come out -
and there's no guarantee that anything will come out
at all!"

OK, I'll bite at that juicy bait.


SNIP

I leanred this the very first day I had my Fabulous EOS-1V when I shot
about 3 rolls of Tiger Woods with the Exposure Compensation setting
accidentally set to -3.

You know, that's kind of hard to have happen if you use a decent camera
which clearly indicates when an exposure correction is set with a
obvious and bright signal in the viewfinder.

And way back in the dark ages I once shot a
whole 36 shot roll at The Masters with my brother's Pentax. I got some
great shots of Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus, and Tom Watson. Or at
least I would have had the film been fully wound around the sprocket.
As it was, I was just shooting air. I don't miss those days and those
screw-ups. But I'll bet none of you film pros have ever done anything
stupid like that, huh? Got any stories to share?


Sure, I did those kind of things, decades ago. And learned from them:
"Film pros" learn to watch the take-up spool right after or during
loading. Some of my cameras also won't advance the frame counter or use
other ways informing the photographer if the film isn't advancing properly.

All this goes to show that the biggest film-haters are usually those
least competent at using it.

BTW: I've lost far more images than the reasons stated above to hard
disk problems, CF cards gone bonkers or digital cameras which refuse to
work because they don't like temperature or humidity changes.

"Nicholas O. Lindan" wrote:

"It's enthralling when you come to develop the images
because you have no idea what's going to come out -
and there's no guarantee that anything will come out
at all!"

The first definition given for "enthrall" is:
"to hold in or reduce to slavery."

The second definition is "to hold spellbound."

Since I use film and digital, I can see the validity of the
quote using either definition.

--
Michael Benveniste --
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address only to submit mail for evaluation.

Chris Loffredo wrote:
Nicholas O. Lindan wrote:
"It's enthralling when you come to develop the images
because you have no idea what's going to come out -
and there's no guarantee that anything will come out
at all!"

Anthony Browell
B&W Magazine (UK)
July 2006




How *dare* you suggest that film has any redeeming qualities at all:
That's terribly insulting to digital!
;-)

Now for the posts from the Digitologist Tag-Team...
Well Chris congratulations you did turn it into a battle between film
and digital. Any time now Jeremy should be doing a post asking why
everyone is trying to get him to give up film and telling us about his
18 prime lenses.

Scott