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  #11  
Old August 23rd 15, 01:25 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

On 2015-08-22 10:53, PeterN wrote:

EOD Asshole. Wallow in your mother's basement.



You stepped in it Peter by saying "I tend not to pay too much attention
to rumors." and now you look like an incredible bitter ass.


  #12  
Old August 23rd 15, 03:12 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

On 8/22/2015 8:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-08-22 10:53, PeterN wrote:

EOD Asshole. Wallow in your mother's basement.



You stepped in it Peter by saying "I tend not to pay too much attention
to rumors." and now you look like an incredible bitter ass.



In my experience I have seen that rumors in general tend not to be true.
e.g. Nikon, also has a habit of testing the waters by starting rumors.
If I am not looking to purchase a new piece of equipment, I have no
reason to read any rumor report. If a rumor turns out to be true, so
what. I see nothing wrong with refusal to participate in rumor
discussions. OTOH, I do have a wish list. I wish the new Nikon 600mm was
something I could add to my bag. Yes, I would love to get it, and learn
how to use it. But it's weight makes its practical use for me, not worth
$12,000.

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching 4k
monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at the
high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use does
not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a monitor
that does.

--
PeterN
  #13  
Old August 23rd 15, 03:32 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

In article ,
PeterN wrote:

On 8/22/2015 8:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-08-22 10:53, PeterN wrote:

EOD Asshole. Wallow in your mother's basement.



You stepped in it Peter by saying "I tend not to pay too much attention
to rumors." and now you look like an incredible bitter ass.



In my experience I have seen that rumors in general tend not to be true.
e.g. Nikon, also has a habit of testing the waters by starting rumors.
If I am not looking to purchase a new piece of equipment, I have no
reason to read any rumor report. If a rumor turns out to be true, so
what. I see nothing wrong with refusal to participate in rumor
discussions. OTOH, I do have a wish list. I wish the new Nikon 600mm was
something I could add to my bag. Yes, I would love to get it, and learn
how to use it. But it's weight makes its practical use for me, not worth
$12,000.

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching 4k
monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at the
high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use does
not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a monitor
that does.


You should embrace new math. The monitor should cover the gamut that
your printer have. HTH.
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  #14  
Old August 23rd 15, 03:34 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

In article , PeterN
wrote:


You stepped in it Peter by saying "I tend not to pay too much attention
to rumors." and now you look like an incredible bitter ass.


In my experience I have seen that rumors in general tend not to be true.


it's a news site.

e.g. Nikon, also has a habit of testing the waters by starting rumors.


nonsense.

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching 4k
monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at the
high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use does
not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a monitor
that does.


printer and display gamuts overlap, with each reproducing some colours
that the other one can't.
  #15  
Old August 23rd 15, 09:13 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
Eric Stevens
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:12:51 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 8/22/2015 8:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-08-22 10:53, PeterN wrote:

EOD Asshole. Wallow in your mother's basement.



You stepped in it Peter by saying "I tend not to pay too much attention
to rumors." and now you look like an incredible bitter ass.



In my experience I have seen that rumors in general tend not to be true.
e.g. Nikon, also has a habit of testing the waters by starting rumors.
If I am not looking to purchase a new piece of equipment, I have no
reason to read any rumor report. If a rumor turns out to be true, so
what. I see nothing wrong with refusal to participate in rumor
discussions. OTOH, I do have a wish list. I wish the new Nikon 600mm was
something I could add to my bag. Yes, I would love to get it, and learn
how to use it. But it's weight makes its practical use for me, not worth
$12,000.

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching 4k
monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at the
high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use does
not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a monitor
that does.


Your printer/paper profile will have been constructed on the basis of
accurate colours in the source image. You can't expect either good or
predictable results from your printer if your source image colors are
all ahoo. Nor can you expect other people to see on their screen the
colors or lighting that you see if you have an inaccurate display.

If the problem is your printer maybe you should be looking at
https://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/...?UseCookie=yes
Those Epson printers using pigment ink can approach AdobeRGB on some
papers.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens
  #16  
Old August 23rd 15, 09:31 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

On 8/23/2015 4:13 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 10:12:51 -0400, PeterN
wrote:

On 8/22/2015 8:25 PM, Alan Browne wrote:
On 2015-08-22 10:53, PeterN wrote:

EOD Asshole. Wallow in your mother's basement.


You stepped in it Peter by saying "I tend not to pay too much attention
to rumors." and now you look like an incredible bitter ass.



In my experience I have seen that rumors in general tend not to be true.
e.g. Nikon, also has a habit of testing the waters by starting rumors.
If I am not looking to purchase a new piece of equipment, I have no
reason to read any rumor report. If a rumor turns out to be true, so
what. I see nothing wrong with refusal to participate in rumor
discussions. OTOH, I do have a wish list. I wish the new Nikon 600mm was
something I could add to my bag. Yes, I would love to get it, and learn
how to use it. But it's weight makes its practical use for me, not worth
$12,000.

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching 4k
monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at the
high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use does
not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a monitor
that does.


Your printer/paper profile will have been constructed on the basis of
accurate colours in the source image. You can't expect either good or
predictable results from your printer if your source image colors are
all ahoo. Nor can you expect other people to see on their screen the
colors or lighting that you see if you have an inaccurate display.

If the problem is your printer maybe you should be looking at
https://www.epson.com/cgi-bin/Store/...?UseCookie=yes
Those Epson printers using pigment ink can approach AdobeRGB on some
papers.


Thanks, but I have no plans for a new printer. I also have pretty much
decided on a 4k NEC monitor.

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PeterN
  #17  
Old August 23rd 15, 10:25 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

On 2015-08-23 14:12:51 +0000, PeterN said:

Le Snip

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching
4k monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at
the high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use
does not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a
monitor that does.


Stop screwing with with the idea that a new 4K monitor/display is going
to feed a good printer good printer data it can't digest. A budget
printer perhaps. With a good photo printer you are going to be happy
with the results, provided you go about things intelligently.

You start with a properly calibrated monitor/display. Without that you
have no starting point and there is no way to produce consistant
results in post. The data saved in the post processed, edited image
file, and then sent to the printer is going to be the same regardless
of how fancy your display is. Make sure the display is properly
calibrated then it doesn't matter what display you are working on.

Only then should you concern yourself with your printer. If you are
using a good Pro/semi-Pro photoprinter use the appropriate
printer/paper icc profiles. If I remember correctly you have an Epson
R3880 which will not have any problems dealing with whatever you throw
at it, provided you use the correct matching printer/paper icc profiles.

I also seem to recall that you use Costco for some of your print jobs.
For color prints the Costco results are going to be a crap shoot.

Even with my R2880 I get outstanding prints on a variety of Epson, Red
River, and Ilford papers when used with the appropriate matching icc
profiles.


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Regards,

Savageduck

  #18  
Old August 23rd 15, 11:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

On 8/23/2015 5:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-08-23 14:12:51 +0000, PeterN said:

Le Snip

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching
4k monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at
the high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use
does not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a
monitor that does.


Stop screwing with with the idea that a new 4K monitor/display is going
to feed a good printer good printer data it can't digest. A budget
printer perhaps. With a good photo printer you are going to be happy
with the results, provided you go about things intelligently.

Perhaps I didn't state my question properly. Consider two printers.
Printer A covers 100% of the sRGB spectrum.

Printer B covers about 146% of the sRGB spectrum, and 99.3% of the RGB
spectrum.

I have pretty much narrowed my choice:
Probably this one. unless I see a compelling reason to make a different
choice.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N=11058076&InitialSearch=yes&sts=pi


You start with a properly calibrated monitor/display. Without that you
have no starting point and there is no way to produce consistant results
in post. The data saved in the post processed, edited image file, and
then sent to the printer is going to be the same regardless of how fancy
your display is. Make sure the display is properly calibrated then it
doesn't matter what display you are working on.


Yep! I believe in monitor calibration.


Only then should you concern yourself with your printer. If you are
using a good Pro/semi-Pro photoprinter use the appropriate printer/paper
icc profiles. If I remember correctly you have an Epson R3880 which will
not have any problems dealing with whatever you throw at it, provided
you use the correct matching printer/paper icc profiles.

I also seem to recall that you use Costco for some of your print jobs.
For color prints the Costco results are going to be a crap shoot.


I use the Costco Profiles, and give instructions to print as is, without
adjusting for anything. Most of the time the comply. For the rare times
they haven't, they have cheerfully reprinted. I had been dealing with
one person for years, until she retired. Her replacement seems to take
just as much pride in doing a proper job.

Even with my R2880 I get outstanding prints on a variety of Epson, Red
River, and Ilford papers when used with the appropriate matching icc
profiles.


IMHO you are using an excellent printer. I know quite a few fine
photography artists who use either the 2880, or the 3880.



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  #19  
Old August 24th 15, 12:02 AM posted to rec.photo.digital
Savageduck[_3_]
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

On Aug 23, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 8/23/2015 5:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-08-23 14:12:51 +0000, said:

Le Snip

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching
4k monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at
the high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use
does not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a
monitor that does.


Stop screwing with with the idea that a new 4K monitor/display is going
to feed a good printer good printer data it can't digest. A budget
printer perhaps. With a good photo printer you are going to be happy
with the results, provided you go about things intelligently.

Perhaps I didn't state my question properly. Consider two printers.
Printer A covers 100% of the sRGB spectrum.

Printer B covers about 146% of the sRGB spectrum, and 99.3% of the RGB
spectrum.

I have pretty much narrowed my choice:
Probably this one. unless I see a compelling reason to make a different
choice.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N=11058076&InitialSearch=yes&sts=pi


Ok! That looks like a decent monitor, not a printer. Which is “printer A”
and which is "printer B”?


You start with a properly calibrated monitor/display. Without that you
have no starting point and there is no way to produce consistant results
in post. The data saved in the post processed, edited image file, and
then sent to the printer is going to be the same regardless of how fancy
your display is. Make sure the display is properly calibrated then it
doesn't matter what display you are working on.


Yep! I believe in monitor calibration.


Good.

Only then should you concern yourself with your printer. If you are
using a good Pro/semi-Pro photoprinter use the appropriate printer/paper
icc profiles. If I remember correctly you have an Epson R3880 which will
not have any problems dealing with whatever you throw at it, provided
you use the correct matching printer/paper icc profiles.

I also seem to recall that you use Costco for some of your print jobs.
For color prints the Costco results are going to be a crap shoot.


I use the Costco Profiles, and give instructions to print as is, without
adjusting for anything. Most of the time the comply. For the rare times
they haven't, they have cheerfully reprinted. I had been dealing with
one person for years, until she retired. Her replacement seems to take
just as much pride in doing a proper job.


The only time you need to use Costco profiles is if you are soft proofing
with LR or PS. You don’t have their printer. Only they can apply their
profile via their software for the printer and paper they are using.

If I am going to print on a premium or speciality paper I prefer to use my
printer with known matching profiles, or a service such as MPix, or BayPhoto.

What is the printer you currently use?


Even with my R2880 I get outstanding prints on a variety of Epson, Red
River, and Ilford papers when used with the appropriate matching icc
profiles.


IMHO you are using an excellent printer. I know quite a few fine
photography artists who use either the 2880, or the 3880.


Yup! My biggest disappointment was the Canon i9900 which never produced
consistent color and cost the same as the R2880. I have been put off Canon
photo writers ever since.

--

Regards,
Savageduck

  #20  
Old August 24th 15, 04:24 PM posted to rec.photo.digital
PeterN[_6_]
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Default New Nikon?s ?NIKKOR & ACC? app released

On 8/23/2015 7:02 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On Aug 23, 2015, PeterN wrote
(in article ):

On 8/23/2015 5:25 PM, Savageduck wrote:
On 2015-08-23 14:12:51 +0000, said:

Le Snip

My next equipment purchase will be a monitor. I have been researching
4k monitors. I have ruled out several at the low end, and several at
the high end. What I am trying to reconcile is, if the printer I use
does not use the full RGB spectrum, how would it benefit me to use a
monitor that does.

Stop screwing with with the idea that a new 4K monitor/display is going
to feed a good printer good printer data it can't digest. A budget
printer perhaps. With a good photo printer you are going to be happy
with the results, provided you go about things intelligently.

Perhaps I didn't state my question properly. Consider two printers.
Printer A covers 100% of the sRGB spectrum.

Printer B covers about 146% of the sRGB spectrum, and 99.3% of the RGB
spectrum.

I have pretty much narrowed my choice:
Probably this one. unless I see a compelling reason to make a different
choice.
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?N=11058076&InitialSearch=yes&sts=pi


Ok! That looks like a decent monitor, not a printer. Which is “printer A”
and which is "printer B”?

A thinko. That should have read Monitor A & Monitor B. Both are NEC. One
covers only the sRGB spectrum. The one I will probably get covers 96.3%
of the RGB spectrum. My thought was why would I need more than 100% of
the sRGB spectrum, if the vast majority of my current work is only in
that space. my answer, is expansion potential.




You start with a properly calibrated monitor/display. Without that you
have no starting point and there is no way to produce consistant results
in post. The data saved in the post processed, edited image file, and
then sent to the printer is going to be the same regardless of how fancy
your display is. Make sure the display is properly calibrated then it
doesn't matter what display you are working on.


Yep! I believe in monitor calibration.


Good.

Only then should you concern yourself with your printer. If you are
using a good Pro/semi-Pro photoprinter use the appropriate printer/paper
icc profiles. If I remember correctly you have an Epson R3880 which will
not have any problems dealing with whatever you throw at it, provided
you use the correct matching printer/paper icc profiles.

I also seem to recall that you use Costco for some of your print jobs.
For color prints the Costco results are going to be a crap shoot.


I use the Costco Profiles, and give instructions to print as is, without
adjusting for anything. Most of the time the comply. For the rare times
they haven't, they have cheerfully reprinted. I had been dealing with
one person for years, until she retired. Her replacement seems to take
just as much pride in doing a proper job.


The only time you need to use Costco profiles is if you are soft proofing
with LR or PS. You don’t have their printer. Only they can apply their
profile via their software for the printer and paper they are using.


Nope. According to the profile people, if I want the print to have
accurate color, I should convert to that profile prior to printing, and
they do not change anything. IOW I submit a print ready job. I use a
different profile for glossy than I do for matte, and a different
profile for each printer. I specify which printer they are to use. I
have had n color shift issues since I started doing that.

If I am going to print on a premium or speciality paper I prefer to use my
printer with known matching profiles, or a service such as MPix, or BayPhoto.

What is the printer you currently use?

Mostly Costco for competition submissions.


Even with my R2880 I get outstanding prints on a variety of Epson, Red
River, and Ilford papers when used with the appropriate matching icc
profiles.


IMHO you are using an excellent printer. I know quite a few fine
photography artists who use either the 2880, or the 3880.


Yup! My biggest disappointment was the Canon i9900 which never produced
consistent color and cost the same as the R2880. I have been put off Canon
photo writers ever since.

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Regards,
Savageduck



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