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Inexplicably, Nikon, known for rapacious lens prices releasesa cheap 200-500mm f/5.6
On 8/5/2015 6:45 PM, Me wrote:
context changing snip The other issue is a tradeoff between general build quality and weight. Last time I was at South Beach, I saw no tradeoff between build quality and weight. ;-) -- PeterN |
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Inexplicably, Nikon, known for rapacious lens prices releases a cheap 200-500mm f/5.6
"Me" wrote in message
... On 06/08/2015 01:49, PAS wrote: "RichA" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:58:36 UTC-4, Me wrote: On 04/08/2015 17:06, RichA wrote: $1400? How? If it turns out to be good, it'll be the biggest bargain they've offered. Rumour is Tamron might have built it. I sure hope not. If they release a 24mp D400 and this lens, it would be a wildlife shooter's dream. Compact and powerful. Fantastic and about time. Isn't the Nikkor 10-24 DX lens made by Tamron? Perhaps Tamron (& Sigma) proved another point - that optically very good long "consumer" zooms can be made at a much lower price point than anybody expected. I can't say it's good, because I've never used a Tamron or Sigma long-range zoom. Really! I've never used a D810 but I know it's a darn good camera. You don't necessarily have to use something to know how good it is or isn't. As someone who likes to quote dpreview at times, do a little reading in the forums there and see how the vast majority of users are happy with their Sigma and Tamron 150-600mm lenses. You can read some reviews too. Nikon were really pushing it with their 80-400 AFS - with pro-level pricing for something quite ordinary. It was ridiculous. Most people made the point you just did. I'd be surprised if the 200-500 is any worse in build quality, weather sealing etc. It's a great time for Nikon DSLR owners. No weather sealing, but the thing doesn't look like a 70-300mm either. There's an obvious issue with weather sealing and build quality with these extending zooms, firstly that they're like bicycle pumps, air has to get in and out, the hope is that some of the crap in the air is filtered out by seals around the extending barrel. The other issue is a tradeoff between general build quality and weight. I tried using a Sigma 150-600 "S" model, and it's very heavy. I could use it hand-held - but not for very long. I've tried the Nikkor 80-400D a couple of times, and found them to be unacceptably soft at the long end which bothers me even more than the slow focusing. I've tried the Nikkor 80-400 AFS which is much much better than the old model, but they are very very expensive and are not well sealed - plenty of information out there from people who have used them in dusty environments and had them fill up with enough dust behind the front element for it to become a problem for optical performance. I doubt the Nikkor 200-500 will be worse. The Tamron 150-600 also sucks dust in - fortunately the front element assembly is very easily removed for internal cleaning. Next time I do it, I'll post photos/instructions to DPreview or Youtube. There is a risk to stuff things up as shims are retained by friction only from screws holding the element assembly to the barrel, and if they all fell out at the same time and got mixed up on your bench, you'd have a problem. With mine, the combined shim thickness was identical in each of the 3 positions, but that might not be the case with other samples of the lens where the shims may be used for centering the front elements rather than just setting infinity focus. It's a 10-15 minute job, only special tool needed is a torx T2 screwdriver. It's a very plastic lens, about what I'd have expected for the price, but feels well-enough made. If it was dropped though - I don't think the result would be very good. I'll try out the Nikkor 200-500 when it arrives at my local camera store. The Tamron is extremely good up to 500mm, but at 500-600mm, then practically achieving what it's optically capable of is a real challenge. One issue is that at 600mm, with continuous AF-C, it will tend to make micro focus adjustments on a static subject, enough so that accurate focus is a lottery unless you switch to AF-S. Nikon's dumb placement of the AF mode switch on the D8*0 makes switching between AF-S and AF-C a hassle with a large lens used hand-held, so if you're focus-tracking a subject, then want to zoom in when the subject stops moving, it's less than ideal. Manual focus at the 600mm end is an impossibility hand-held, the focus ring action is too highly geared to make any accurate adjustment overriding AF. You can hand-hold the Sigma 150-600mm S lens, even if just for just a short period of time? I envy you, really. |
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Inexplicably, Nikon, known for rapacious lens prices releases a cheap 200-500mm f/5.6
"RichA" wrote in message
... On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 09:49:25 UTC-4, PAS wrote: "RichA" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:58:36 UTC-4, Me wrote: On 04/08/2015 17:06, RichA wrote: $1400? How? If it turns out to be good, it'll be the biggest bargain they've offered. Rumour is Tamron might have built it. I sure hope not. If they release a 24mp D400 and this lens, it would be a wildlife shooter's dream. Compact and powerful. Fantastic and about time. Isn't the Nikkor 10-24 DX lens made by Tamron? Perhaps Tamron (& Sigma) proved another point - that optically very good long "consumer" zooms can be made at a much lower price point than anybody expected. I can't say it's good, because I've never used a Tamron or Sigma long-range zoom. Really! I've never used a D810 but I know it's a darn good camera. You don't necessarily have to use something to know how good it is or isn't. As someone who likes to quote dpreview at times, do a little reading in the forums there and see how the vast majority of users are happy with their Sigma and Tamron 150-600mm lenses. You can read some reviews too. You can't win with opinion. If I'd said they were good, but I'd never used them, I'd have been called on that too! I've seen some decent output from Sigma long zooms, but I'd read detractors of them too. It's how you say it, choose your words differently. If there are enough reports from fellow users as to the how good a lens is, you can safely say that you tend to believe a lens is good based on what others report, including reviews. Same about a lens being bad. I've more than "decent" output from Sigma long lenses, same for Tamron and others. |
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Inexplicably, Nikon, known for rapacious lens prices releases a cheap 200-500mm f/5.6
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:18:47 -0400, "PAS" wrote:
"Me" wrote in message ... On 06/08/2015 01:49, PAS wrote: "RichA" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:58:36 UTC-4, Me wrote: On 04/08/2015 17:06, RichA wrote: $1400? How? If it turns out to be good, it'll be the biggest bargain they've offered. Rumour is Tamron might have built it. I sure hope not. If they release a 24mp D400 and this lens, it would be a wildlife shooter's dream. Compact and powerful. Fantastic and about time. Isn't the Nikkor 10-24 DX lens made by Tamron? Perhaps Tamron (& Sigma) proved another point - that optically very good long "consumer" zooms can be made at a much lower price point than anybody expected. I can't say it's good, because I've never used a Tamron or Sigma long-range zoom. Really! I've never used a D810 but I know it's a darn good camera. You don't necessarily have to use something to know how good it is or isn't. As someone who likes to quote dpreview at times, do a little reading in the forums there and see how the vast majority of users are happy with their Sigma and Tamron 150-600mm lenses. You can read some reviews too. Nikon were really pushing it with their 80-400 AFS - with pro-level pricing for something quite ordinary. It was ridiculous. Most people made the point you just did. I'd be surprised if the 200-500 is any worse in build quality, weather sealing etc. It's a great time for Nikon DSLR owners. No weather sealing, but the thing doesn't look like a 70-300mm either. There's an obvious issue with weather sealing and build quality with these extending zooms, firstly that they're like bicycle pumps, air has to get in and out, the hope is that some of the crap in the air is filtered out by seals around the extending barrel. The other issue is a tradeoff between general build quality and weight. I tried using a Sigma 150-600 "S" model, and it's very heavy. I could use it hand-held - but not for very long. I've tried the Nikkor 80-400D a couple of times, and found them to be unacceptably soft at the long end which bothers me even more than the slow focusing. I've tried the Nikkor 80-400 AFS which is much much better than the old model, but they are very very expensive and are not well sealed - plenty of information out there from people who have used them in dusty environments and had them fill up with enough dust behind the front element for it to become a problem for optical performance. I doubt the Nikkor 200-500 will be worse. The Tamron 150-600 also sucks dust in - fortunately the front element assembly is very easily removed for internal cleaning. Next time I do it, I'll post photos/instructions to DPreview or Youtube. There is a risk to stuff things up as shims are retained by friction only from screws holding the element assembly to the barrel, and if they all fell out at the same time and got mixed up on your bench, you'd have a problem. With mine, the combined shim thickness was identical in each of the 3 positions, but that might not be the case with other samples of the lens where the shims may be used for centering the front elements rather than just setting infinity focus. It's a 10-15 minute job, only special tool needed is a torx T2 screwdriver. It's a very plastic lens, about what I'd have expected for the price, but feels well-enough made. If it was dropped though - I don't think the result would be very good. I'll try out the Nikkor 200-500 when it arrives at my local camera store. The Tamron is extremely good up to 500mm, but at 500-600mm, then practically achieving what it's optically capable of is a real challenge. One issue is that at 600mm, with continuous AF-C, it will tend to make micro focus adjustments on a static subject, enough so that accurate focus is a lottery unless you switch to AF-S. Nikon's dumb placement of the AF mode switch on the D8*0 makes switching between AF-S and AF-C a hassle with a large lens used hand-held, so if you're focus-tracking a subject, then want to zoom in when the subject stops moving, it's less than ideal. Manual focus at the 600mm end is an impossibility hand-held, the focus ring action is too highly geared to make any accurate adjustment overriding AF. You can hand-hold the Sigma 150-600mm S lens, even if just for just a short period of time? I envy you, really. See https://photographylife.com/shooting...50-600mm-sport -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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Inexplicably, Nikon, known for rapacious lens prices releases acheap 200-500mm f/5.6
On 07/08/2015 09:53, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:18:47 -0400, "PAS" wrote: "Me" wrote in message ... On 06/08/2015 01:49, PAS wrote: "RichA" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:58:36 UTC-4, Me wrote: On 04/08/2015 17:06, RichA wrote: $1400? How? If it turns out to be good, it'll be the biggest bargain they've offered. Rumour is Tamron might have built it. I sure hope not. If they release a 24mp D400 and this lens, it would be a wildlife shooter's dream. Compact and powerful. Fantastic and about time. Isn't the Nikkor 10-24 DX lens made by Tamron? Perhaps Tamron (& Sigma) proved another point - that optically very good long "consumer" zooms can be made at a much lower price point than anybody expected. I can't say it's good, because I've never used a Tamron or Sigma long-range zoom. Really! I've never used a D810 but I know it's a darn good camera. You don't necessarily have to use something to know how good it is or isn't. As someone who likes to quote dpreview at times, do a little reading in the forums there and see how the vast majority of users are happy with their Sigma and Tamron 150-600mm lenses. You can read some reviews too. Nikon were really pushing it with their 80-400 AFS - with pro-level pricing for something quite ordinary. It was ridiculous. Most people made the point you just did. I'd be surprised if the 200-500 is any worse in build quality, weather sealing etc. It's a great time for Nikon DSLR owners. No weather sealing, but the thing doesn't look like a 70-300mm either. There's an obvious issue with weather sealing and build quality with these extending zooms, firstly that they're like bicycle pumps, air has to get in and out, the hope is that some of the crap in the air is filtered out by seals around the extending barrel. The other issue is a tradeoff between general build quality and weight. I tried using a Sigma 150-600 "S" model, and it's very heavy. I could use it hand-held - but not for very long. I've tried the Nikkor 80-400D a couple of times, and found them to be unacceptably soft at the long end which bothers me even more than the slow focusing. I've tried the Nikkor 80-400 AFS which is much much better than the old model, but they are very very expensive and are not well sealed - plenty of information out there from people who have used them in dusty environments and had them fill up with enough dust behind the front element for it to become a problem for optical performance. I doubt the Nikkor 200-500 will be worse. The Tamron 150-600 also sucks dust in - fortunately the front element assembly is very easily removed for internal cleaning. Next time I do it, I'll post photos/instructions to DPreview or Youtube. There is a risk to stuff things up as shims are retained by friction only from screws holding the element assembly to the barrel, and if they all fell out at the same time and got mixed up on your bench, you'd have a problem. With mine, the combined shim thickness was identical in each of the 3 positions, but that might not be the case with other samples of the lens where the shims may be used for centering the front elements rather than just setting infinity focus. It's a 10-15 minute job, only special tool needed is a torx T2 screwdriver. It's a very plastic lens, about what I'd have expected for the price, but feels well-enough made. If it was dropped though - I don't think the result would be very good. I'll try out the Nikkor 200-500 when it arrives at my local camera store. The Tamron is extremely good up to 500mm, but at 500-600mm, then practically achieving what it's optically capable of is a real challenge. One issue is that at 600mm, with continuous AF-C, it will tend to make micro focus adjustments on a static subject, enough so that accurate focus is a lottery unless you switch to AF-S. Nikon's dumb placement of the AF mode switch on the D8*0 makes switching between AF-S and AF-C a hassle with a large lens used hand-held, so if you're focus-tracking a subject, then want to zoom in when the subject stops moving, it's less than ideal. Manual focus at the 600mm end is an impossibility hand-held, the focus ring action is too highly geared to make any accurate adjustment overriding AF. You can hand-hold the Sigma 150-600mm S lens, even if just for just a short period of time? I envy you, really. See https://photographylife.com/shooting...50-600mm-sport There's no doubt it's not comfortable - except perhaps for a weightlifter, but it certainly can done. The Tamron 150-600, Sigma 150-600 "C", and this new Nikkor 200-500 are give or take about 1kg lighter. Similar weight to a Nikkor 70-200 f2.8 VR for carrying in a backpack etc, but they are longer - especially when extended - and that extra length makes a difference. |
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Inexplicably, Nikon, known for rapacious lens prices releases a cheap 200-500mm f/5.6
"Eric Stevens" wrote in message
... On Thu, 6 Aug 2015 09:18:47 -0400, "PAS" wrote: "Me" wrote in message ... On 06/08/2015 01:49, PAS wrote: "RichA" wrote in message ... On Tuesday, 4 August 2015 16:58:36 UTC-4, Me wrote: On 04/08/2015 17:06, RichA wrote: $1400? How? If it turns out to be good, it'll be the biggest bargain they've offered. Rumour is Tamron might have built it. I sure hope not. If they release a 24mp D400 and this lens, it would be a wildlife shooter's dream. Compact and powerful. Fantastic and about time. Isn't the Nikkor 10-24 DX lens made by Tamron? Perhaps Tamron (& Sigma) proved another point - that optically very good long "consumer" zooms can be made at a much lower price point than anybody expected. I can't say it's good, because I've never used a Tamron or Sigma long-range zoom. Really! I've never used a D810 but I know it's a darn good camera. You don't necessarily have to use something to know how good it is or isn't. As someone who likes to quote dpreview at times, do a little reading in the forums there and see how the vast majority of users are happy with their Sigma and Tamron 150-600mm lenses. You can read some reviews too. Nikon were really pushing it with their 80-400 AFS - with pro-level pricing for something quite ordinary. It was ridiculous. Most people made the point you just did. I'd be surprised if the 200-500 is any worse in build quality, weather sealing etc. It's a great time for Nikon DSLR owners. No weather sealing, but the thing doesn't look like a 70-300mm either. There's an obvious issue with weather sealing and build quality with these extending zooms, firstly that they're like bicycle pumps, air has to get in and out, the hope is that some of the crap in the air is filtered out by seals around the extending barrel. The other issue is a tradeoff between general build quality and weight. I tried using a Sigma 150-600 "S" model, and it's very heavy. I could use it hand-held - but not for very long. I've tried the Nikkor 80-400D a couple of times, and found them to be unacceptably soft at the long end which bothers me even more than the slow focusing. I've tried the Nikkor 80-400 AFS which is much much better than the old model, but they are very very expensive and are not well sealed - plenty of information out there from people who have used them in dusty environments and had them fill up with enough dust behind the front element for it to become a problem for optical performance. I doubt the Nikkor 200-500 will be worse. The Tamron 150-600 also sucks dust in - fortunately the front element assembly is very easily removed for internal cleaning. Next time I do it, I'll post photos/instructions to DPreview or Youtube. There is a risk to stuff things up as shims are retained by friction only from screws holding the element assembly to the barrel, and if they all fell out at the same time and got mixed up on your bench, you'd have a problem. With mine, the combined shim thickness was identical in each of the 3 positions, but that might not be the case with other samples of the lens where the shims may be used for centering the front elements rather than just setting infinity focus. It's a 10-15 minute job, only special tool needed is a torx T2 screwdriver. It's a very plastic lens, about what I'd have expected for the price, but feels well-enough made. If it was dropped though - I don't think the result would be very good. I'll try out the Nikkor 200-500 when it arrives at my local camera store. The Tamron is extremely good up to 500mm, but at 500-600mm, then practically achieving what it's optically capable of is a real challenge. One issue is that at 600mm, with continuous AF-C, it will tend to make micro focus adjustments on a static subject, enough so that accurate focus is a lottery unless you switch to AF-S. Nikon's dumb placement of the AF mode switch on the D8*0 makes switching between AF-S and AF-C a hassle with a large lens used hand-held, so if you're focus-tracking a subject, then want to zoom in when the subject stops moving, it's less than ideal. Manual focus at the 600mm end is an impossibility hand-held, the focus ring action is too highly geared to make any accurate adjustment overriding AF. You can hand-hold the Sigma 150-600mm S lens, even if just for just a short period of time? I envy you, really. See https://photographylife.com/shooting...50-600mm-sport If I only I could hand-hold a lens like that. I just don't have steady hands. Even a 70-200mm lens is a problem for me sometimes. These are nice photos, thanks for posting the link. |
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