Hybrid Batteries

Greetings!

I've been using Rayovac Hybrid NiMh 2100Mah batteries for a couple of months
now. These are the ones that come fully charged in the package when you buy
them. They claim to have 4 times less leakage than typical NiMh batteries.
Previously I had been using Energizer 2500Mah batteries that seem to leak
down pretty fast when not in use.

I use my batteries almost everyday and always carry a spare freshly charged
set. I usually wear out a set of Energizers in two weeks to a month. When I
change to the spare set it seems that the previously charged batteries have
leaked considerable charge. This is not the case with the new Hybrid
batteries.

I find that even though the Hybrids are rated at lower capacity than the
Energizers the Hybrids actually last longer in my usage situation.

Now all we need is higher capacity Hybrids!

NM

Don't forget the Eneloop (I found them at Wolf Camera)
I've not heard the word "hybrid" used but they are the same deal.
They are good !

"~~NoMad~~" wrote in message
...
Greetings!

I've been using Rayovac Hybrid NiMh 2100Mah batteries for a couple of
months now. These are the ones that come fully charged in the package when
you buy them. They claim to have 4 times less leakage than typical NiMh
batteries. Previously I had been using Energizer 2500Mah batteries that
seem to leak down pretty fast when not in use.

I use my batteries almost everyday and always carry a spare freshly
charged set. I usually wear out a set of Energizers in two weeks to a
month. When I change to the spare set it seems that the previously charged
batteries have leaked considerable charge. This is not the case with the
new Hybrid batteries.

I find that even though the Hybrids are rated at lower capacity than the
Energizers the Hybrids actually last longer in my usage situation.

Now all we need is higher capacity Hybrids!

NM

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:44:01 -0700, ~~NoMad~~ wrote:

Greetings!

I've been using Rayovac Hybrid NiMh 2100Mah batteries for a couple of months
now. These are the ones that come fully charged in the package when you buy
them. They claim to have 4 times less leakage than typical NiMh batteries.
Previously I had been using Energizer 2500Mah batteries that seem to leak
down pretty fast when not in use.

I use my batteries almost everyday and always carry a spare freshly charged
set. I usually wear out a set of Energizers in two weeks to a month. When I
change to the spare set it seems that the previously charged batteries have
leaked considerable charge. This is not the case with the new Hybrid
batteries.

I find that even though the Hybrids are rated at lower capacity than the
Energizers the Hybrids actually last longer in my usage situation.

Now all we need is higher capacity Hybrids!

NM

Or Li-Ion

ray wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:44:01 -0700, ~~NoMad~~ wrote:

Greetings!

I've been using Rayovac Hybrid NiMh 2100Mah batteries for a couple of months
now. These are the ones that come fully charged in the package when you buy
them. They claim to have 4 times less leakage than typical NiMh batteries.
Previously I had been using Energizer 2500Mah batteries that seem to leak
down pretty fast when not in use.

I use my batteries almost everyday and always carry a spare freshly charged
set. I usually wear out a set of Energizers in two weeks to a month. When I
change to the spare set it seems that the previously charged batteries have
leaked considerable charge. This is not the case with the new Hybrid
batteries.

I find that even though the Hybrids are rated at lower capacity than the
Energizers the Hybrids actually last longer in my usage situation.

Now all we need is higher capacity Hybrids!

NM

Or Li-Ion


The subject is rechargeable AA's. I've been using a set of Sanyo
Eneloops since last September, only charged once. These are excellent.
Hybrid type are licensed from Sanyo but their rating is not same.
Eneloop claim to keep 85% of their charge for a year, Hybrid 3 months. I
think either way this is much better than other NiMH's. Hybrids costs
less in Walmart, haven't seen them selling Eneloop, got mine for Ritz.
Dave Cohen

On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:18:34 +0000, Dave Cohen wrote:

ray wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:44:01 -0700, ~~NoMad~~ wrote:

Greetings!

I've been using Rayovac Hybrid NiMh 2100Mah batteries for a couple of months
now. These are the ones that come fully charged in the package when you buy
them. They claim to have 4 times less leakage than typical NiMh batteries.
Previously I had been using Energizer 2500Mah batteries that seem to leak
down pretty fast when not in use.

I use my batteries almost everyday and always carry a spare freshly charged
set. I usually wear out a set of Energizers in two weeks to a month. When I
change to the spare set it seems that the previously charged batteries have
leaked considerable charge. This is not the case with the new Hybrid
batteries.

I find that even though the Hybrids are rated at lower capacity than the
Energizers the Hybrids actually last longer in my usage situation.

Now all we need is higher capacity Hybrids!

NM

Or Li-Ion


The subject is rechargeable AA's. I've been using a set of Sanyo
Eneloops since last September, only charged once. These are excellent.
Hybrid type are licensed from Sanyo but their rating is not same.
Eneloop claim to keep 85% of their charge for a year, Hybrid 3 months. I
think either way this is much better than other NiMH's. Hybrids costs
less in Walmart, haven't seen them selling Eneloop, got mine for Ritz.
Dave Cohen

I'm familiar with the claims for 'enerloop'. Perhaps you could enlighten
me though. As far as I know, the term 'hybrid' implies a merging of two
technologies e.g. a hybrid car is basically a 'gasoline-electric' - it
uses the small gasoline motor to charge the batteries. What is the
'hybrid' part here - NiMH and . . .?

Bitstring , from the
wonderful person ray said
snip
I'm familiar with the claims for 'enerloop'. Perhaps you could enlighten
me though. As far as I know, the term 'hybrid' implies a merging of two
technologies e.g. a hybrid car is basically a 'gasoline-electric' - it
uses the small gasoline motor to charge the batteries. What is the
'hybrid' part here - NiMH and . . .?

What is 'hybrid' here is the functionality .. you get most of the
performance of NiHM (slightly less capacity, but same voltage, same
re-charger can be used, etc.) with something approaching the shelf life
of an Alkaline cell (well, 'somewhat in that direction' anyway), and you
can actually buy them charged (a non-starter with most NiMH batteries,
since they drain themselves on the self before you buy them).

I'd agree it ain't a great name though, since you don't get there by
crossing a Duracell with an NiMH cell and sorting through the offspring.
8.

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GSV Three Minds in a Can wrote:
Bitstring , from the
wonderful person ray said
snip
I'm familiar with the claims for 'enerloop'. Perhaps you could
enlighten me though. As far as I know, the term 'hybrid' implies a
merging of two technologies e.g. a hybrid car is basically a
'gasoline-electric' - it uses the small gasoline motor to charge the
batteries. What is the 'hybrid' part here - NiMH and . . .?

What is 'hybrid' here is the functionality .. you get most of the
performance of NiHM (slightly less capacity, but same voltage, same
re-charger can be used, etc.) with something approaching the shelf
life of an Alkaline cell (well, 'somewhat in that direction' anyway),
and you can actually buy them charged (a non-starter with most NiMH
batteries, since they drain themselves on the self before you buy
them).

I'd agree it ain't a great name though, since you don't get there by
crossing a Duracell with an NiMH cell and sorting through the
offspring. 8.

"Hybrid" means whatever the marketing department wants it to mean.

If you drive you know that there is "synthetic oil". What you probably
don't know is that most synthetic oil isn't synthetic. The marketing
guys for companies that didn't know how to produce it started calling
their top grade oil "synthetic" and Mobil wasn't fast enough off the
mark or hired the world's most incompetent law firm or something and
lost the lawsuit that would have put a stop to that particular deceptive
advertising.

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On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 16:18:34 +0000, Dave Cohen wrote:

ray wrote:
On Tue, 10 Apr 2007 06:44:01 -0700, ~~NoMad~~ wrote:

Greetings!

I've been using Rayovac Hybrid NiMh 2100Mah batteries for a couple of months
now. These are the ones that come fully charged in the package when you buy
them. They claim to have 4 times less leakage than typical NiMh batteries.
Previously I had been using Energizer 2500Mah batteries that seem to leak
down pretty fast when not in use.

I use my batteries almost everyday and always carry a spare freshly charged
set. I usually wear out a set of Energizers in two weeks to a month. When I
change to the spare set it seems that the previously charged batteries have
leaked considerable charge. This is not the case with the new Hybrid
batteries.

I find that even though the Hybrids are rated at lower capacity than the
Energizers the Hybrids actually last longer in my usage situation.

Now all we need is higher capacity Hybrids!

NM

Or Li-Ion


The subject is rechargeable AA's. I've been using a set of Sanyo
Eneloops since last September, only charged once. These are excellent.
Hybrid type are licensed from Sanyo but their rating is not same.
Eneloop claim to keep 85% of their charge for a year, Hybrid 3 months. I
think either way this is much better than other NiMH's. Hybrids costs
less in Walmart, haven't seen them selling Eneloop, got mine for Ritz.
Dave Cohen

I hope you'll forgive me for being such an idiot. I read the OP eight
times and I did not see AA in there once.

Or Li-Ion


The subject is rechargeable AA's. I've been using a set of Sanyo
Eneloops since last September, only charged once. These are excellent.
Hybrid type are licensed from Sanyo but their rating is not same.
Eneloop claim to keep 85% of their charge for a year, Hybrid 3 months. I
think either way this is much better than other NiMH's. Hybrids costs
less in Walmart, haven't seen them selling Eneloop, got mine for Ritz.
Dave Cohen

I hope you'll forgive me for being such an idiot. I read the OP eight
times and I did not see AA in there once.

well, I think he was alluding to the fact that there aren't any rechargeable
Lithium Ion batteries such as the eneloops and Rayovac hybrids that come in
the AA format. However, you would have had to have been looking for AA
batteries to know that Lithium Ion ones are missing from the rechargeable
lineup.

Pat in TX

Pat wrote:
Or Li-Ion


The subject is rechargeable AA's. I've been using a set of Sanyo
Eneloops since last September, only charged once. These are
excellent. Hybrid type are licensed from Sanyo but their rating is
not same. Eneloop claim to keep 85% of their charge for a year,
Hybrid 3 months. I think either way this is much better than other
NiMH's. Hybrids costs less in Walmart, haven't seen them selling
Eneloop, got mine for Ritz. Dave Cohen

I hope you'll forgive me for being such an idiot. I read the OP eight
times and I did not see AA in there once.

well, I think he was alluding to the fact that there aren't any
rechargeable Lithium Ion batteries such as the eneloops and Rayovac
hybrids that come in the AA format. However, you would have had to
have been looking for AA batteries to know that Lithium Ion ones are
missing from the rechargeable lineup.

And there's a reason for that. The chemistry of lithium ion batteries
dictates a cell voltage of 3.6 or a multiple therof, while AAs are 1.5
or less and replacing them with 3.6 volt batteries is going to fry most
equipment designed for AAs.

Your camera _might_ be able to take a CRV3 pack, which replaces two
side-by-side AAs, if so there are lithium ion CRV3 packs
available--they're about 2300 mAH so no major improvement over Eneloops.

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