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Film scanners?
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nospam wrote: In article , android wrote: some things are best done at scan time, such as vuescan's equivalent of digital ice. Digital ICE's in the hardware. The soft do or do not support it. digital ice uses infrared light for dust removal, created by applied science fiction (awesome company name), later bought by kodak. vuescan has its own implementation of infrared dust removal. It does not. Vuescan uses the infrared channel created by the scanner to subtract dust. I.e. ICE... that's what i said: vuescan has its own implementation of infrared dust removal. such as vuescan's equivalent of digital ice. Your wording suggest that you think that it's not. Whatever... it's not exactly the same. it's equivalent. From the main wiki: "The ICE technology works from within the scanner, so unlike the software-only solutions it does not alter any underlying details of the image. Subsequent to the original Digital ICE technology, which used infrared cleaning, additional image enhancement technologies were marketed by Applied Science Fiction and Kodak under similar and related names, often as part of a suite of compatible technologies. The ICE technology uses a scanner with a pair of light sources, a normal RGB lamp and an infrared (IR) lamp, and scans twice, once with each lamp. The IR lamp detects the dust locations with its unique detection method, and then inpainting is applied based on this data afterwards. The general concept is to subtract the position of scratches and dust from the RGB image." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_ICE https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_cleaning#Method ...Some software algorithms, such as the latest ICE implementation (Nikon Super Coolscan LS-9000 ED with Digital ICE Professional[3]), VueScan's[4] and SilverFast's,[5] claim to use infrared cleaning to find dust spots even when scanning Kodachrome. https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/html/vuesc31.htm#filterinfraredclean Filter | Infrared clean When an infrared channel is available, use this option to remove dust spots and scratches. It only causes image softening in the immediate vicinity of the spots and scratches, except when this option is set to "Heavy". http://www.silverfast.com/highlights/isrd/en.html ...iSRD utilizes this behavior as follows. The image is scanned two times - the first is the regular RGB scan and the second is the additional infrared scan that captures defects like dust and scratches only. Then the calculative dust and scratch removal takes effect, only where the infrared channel has detected any defects without losing any important details. An equivalent to Digital ICE would not be that but something else. Vuescan and the others above might have slightly different implementations of Digital ICE... https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/equivalent http://www.dictionary.com/browse/implementation -- teleportation kills |
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Film scanners?
On Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:22:54 +0100, newshound
wrote: I realise that this question doesn't have a simple answer, but it is time I started scanning some of my old 35 mm slides and negatives (mostly b&w). I would really welcome some comments or experience on hardware in the "keen amateur" price bracket. I know I can also "farm it out" but I'm interested in doing some myself at least to get a feel for what results to inspect. Is there anything which stands out towards the budget end in terms of value for money or ease of use? Thanks in advance Steve Cardboard-mounted slides are tricky because over time the board degrades releasing filaments onto the emulsion. Handle them gingerly and don't use a cleaning brush without afterwards air blowing. |
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:29:30 -0400, Alan Browne
wrote: On 2017-04-15 08:22, newshound wrote: I realise that this question doesn't have a simple answer, but it is time I started scanning some of my old 35 mm slides and negatives (mostly b&w). I would really welcome some comments or experience on hardware in the "keen amateur" price bracket. I know I can also "farm it out" but I'm interested in doing some myself at least to get a feel for what results to inspect. Is there anything which stands out towards the budget end in terms of value for money or ease of use? Amidst the other suggestions also think about archival quality scans for the "best of the best". So a dedicated scanner is the best choice. Also "pre filter" your film and slides to select those that are worthy due to content or quality. Make sure the scanner had ICE (scratch, dust correction) - thought that won't work on Kodachrome (not sure about B&W). A lot of Minolta 5400 scanners out there as well on the used market. I have a "Dimage Elite II" Is there software to allow it to run on Windows10 ?? |
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In article , Peter Jason
wrote: I have a "Dimage Elite II" Is there software to allow it to run on Windows10 ?? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=dimage+elite+ii+windows+10 first hit. |
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On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 10:03:09 +1200, Eric Stevens
wrote: On 15 Apr 2017 13:00:12 GMT, Sandman wrote: In article , newshound wrote: I realise that this question doesn't have a simple answer, but it is time I started scanning some of my old 35 mm slides and negatives (mostly b&w). I would really welcome some comments or experience on hardware in the "keen amateur" price bracket. Hey, that's my bracket as well! I use the Epson Perfection V750 Pro (now replaced with the 850 Pro) which comes with inserts for 135 and 120 film as well as large format and slides. Image quality is superb. https://epson.com/For-Work/Scanners/...on-Perfection- V850-Pro-Photo-Scanner/p/B11B224201 I have used an Epson V700 for years. This is basically the same as a V750 but with a few less bells and whistles. I have scanned hundreds (thousands?) of old films and slides and found it has done a better than excellent job. It came with extensive software which enables major corrections to be made at the scanning level. Highly recommended. The V700/750 come with Digital Ice built in. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
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In article , Eric Stevens
wrote: The V700/750 come with Digital Ice built in. built into the *software*. the scanner itself has infrared illumination built in, which other software can use for dust removal, it just can't be called digital ice. |
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On 2017-04-16 19:21, Peter Jason wrote:
On Sun, 16 Apr 2017 08:29:30 -0400, Alan Browne wrote: On 2017-04-15 08:22, newshound wrote: I realise that this question doesn't have a simple answer, but it is time I started scanning some of my old 35 mm slides and negatives (mostly b&w). I would really welcome some comments or experience on hardware in the "keen amateur" price bracket. I know I can also "farm it out" but I'm interested in doing some myself at least to get a feel for what results to inspect. Is there anything which stands out towards the budget end in terms of value for money or ease of use? Amidst the other suggestions also think about archival quality scans for the "best of the best". So a dedicated scanner is the best choice. Also "pre filter" your film and slides to select those that are worthy due to content or quality. Make sure the scanner had ICE (scratch, dust correction) - thought that won't work on Kodachrome (not sure about B&W). A lot of Minolta 5400 scanners out there as well on the used market. I have a "Dimage Elite II" Is there software to allow it to run on Windows10 ?? I'd expect VueScan can handle it - check their site. That's a very good scanner, BTW. Resolution is a bit on the low side, but great DR and ICE. -- "If war is God's way of teaching Americans geography, then recession is His way of teaching everyone a little economics." ..Raj Patel, The Value of Nothing. |
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On 16/04/2017 12:02 @wiz, nospam wrote:
Film scanning is dead. film is dead. Really wrong. really right. Are you accusing me of necromancy? film use may not be zero, but it's close to it and getting closer every day. Quite true. It's called a niche market. Nothing wrong with it and no need to get tragic with the "dead" thing. film sales have dramatically dropped off (kodak filed for bankruptcy, polaroid is just a name), many films are no longer made (kodachrome being the prime example), film cameras are no longer made (with very rare exception and very, very few are sold) and very few places to process film remain. True. Is that the definition of "dead" where you come from? Because here it's called a niche market. And quite active too! digital blows away film in every respect, although it can be downgraded to look exactly like film for those who want that effect. Akshally, completely wrong... The only aspect where digital blows away film is in sensitivity- or ISO, if you prefer that terminology. Everything else? Nup. PArticularly in B&W, Yes, folks still use that. In both digital and film! Of course, I'd advise you to learn a little bit about scanning and film before opening your trap again... |
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On 16/04/2017 11:41 @wiz, Russell D. wrote:
The only thing that I can add to the mostly excellent advice already given is to purchase VueScan. It is far superior to any of the software that comes with scanners. Russell Echo that remark. |
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On Saturday, April 15, 2017 at 9:00:16 AM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
newshound wrote: I realise that this question doesn't have a simple answer, but it is time I started scanning some of my old 35 mm slides and negatives (mostly b&w). I would really welcome some comments or experience on hardware in the "keen amateur" price bracket. Hey, that's my bracket as well! Same here. I use the Epson Perfection V750 Pro (now replaced with the 850 Pro) which comes with inserts for 135 and 120 film as well as large format and slides. Image quality is superb. https://epson.com/For-Work/Scanners/...on-Perfection- V850-Pro-Photo-Scanner/p/B11B224201 I originally started at work with a Nikon Coolscan LS-1000; think this was far enough back that it ran on SCSI. Nice setup, although it appears to now be 99.99% dead because of a combination of the interface (SCSI) and not easily being able to find suitable drivers. Kind of wish that I'd kept an old Mac on System 7/8 around for it. For myself, I have a now-dated Epson flatbed scanner like Sandman; the OEM software has gone obsolete, but OS X supports it adequately, plus I think I have some third party (Viewscan?) that also does well. It has a backlight system and does a good job on transparencies, including some medium format stuff. For $200 I picked up a dedicated 35mm Pacific Image USB scanner, with the idea of pushing through more quantity. After some initial proofing, I've not gotten back to the project. My thoughts today are more lazy ^H^H pragmatic: Set up the slide projector at home, with a dSLR on a tripod next to it ... project, click, project, click ... this is a quick & dirty way to get a halfway decent quality image quickly, which is better than nothing. My thoughts are that I'd do this as a pre-screening and also as a "risk-of-loss" reduction step before I send a batch of stuff out to a 3rd party service for bulk scanning. Similarly, for any really important shots I come across the way, I'd DIY a higher quality scan before I put them into the ship-em-out box. What I've found that it really comes down to is that it is still a challenge to make the time to grind through the film collection, and when I finally do, two things hold me up: - cleaning the images (especially Dad's old slides) - the temptation to jump right into Photoshop to post-process Overall, I think that what I'd probably do differently next time that I take this on would be to define out a more "mass" based workflow with discrete stages. Stage 0: reorganize my workspaces. My current setup is conveniently compact to fit into the home office space, but this contrary to good productivity for this type of job. This is where I wish that I had a "150ft long workbench" to be able to spread stuff out. Stage 1: pull out the material to be worked on; figure out what batch size works. Stage 2: cleaning in batches. Need both a dry & wet plan, as stuff like Dad's old dusty slides are bad and won't clean up with just a dry air blower. Need to think about how much I care if the cardboard slides have to be dismounted for cleaning. Stage 3: material handling prep for going into whatever scanning system (eg, remount slides?). Stage 4: make the scan Stage 5: data backup/archiving Stage 6: post processing (what I've found to be my time suck) Hope this helps, -hh |
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