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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
I am just wondering whether HDR feature can be embedded in their image
processing (or using a special sensor) in a digital camera. Is this possible? Will it likely be included in future cameras - just another feature or option before taking the photos? Or is such a digital camera already here? I know some people will ask this necessity as there are softwares (photoshop CS, Photomatix, and many others) that can do this job as a post processing. It is fine for them who spend hundred of hours playing around with 20 MB RAW photo files, and do a lot of post processing, etc. Unfortunately, there are likely others like me who must do something else to make a living (i.e. not a professional) and there are not enough hours in a day to spend the time post-processing photos. If I have to do this, it means that I have to cut my sleep, or let the grass in my yard grows. (This is another reason that I keep having a nagging question about the digital camera which has better processing engine than the others, so that it can give me the better quality and rich colour photos without spending extra time to play around with in teh computer). Thanks for info |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
wrote in message oups.com... I am just wondering whether HDR feature can be embedded in their image processing (or using a special sensor) in a digital camera. Is this possible? Will it likely be included in future cameras - just another feature or option before taking the photos? Or is such a digital camera already here? I know some people will ask this necessity as there are softwares (photoshop CS, Photomatix, and many others) that can do this job as a post processing. It is fine for them who spend hundred of hours playing around with 20 MB RAW photo files, and do a lot of post processing, etc. Unfortunately, there are likely others like me who must do something else to make a living (i.e. not a professional) and there are not enough hours in a day to spend the time post-processing photos. If I have to do this, it means that I have to cut my sleep, or let the grass in my yard grows. (This is another reason that I keep having a nagging question about the digital camera which has better processing engine than the others, so that it can give me the better quality and rich colour photos without spending extra time to play around with in teh computer). Thanks for info That is a huge paragraph. Including a pre-programmed HDR mode might be a good idea but, that would take all the fun out of it. In someways, the mode is already at your fingertips. Most cameras designed for photographers, (not point-and-shoot), have the ability to automatically bracket the exposure. At any rate, what is so difficult about ratcheting the shutter speed up or down as you make your exposures? |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
Not until digital cameras start using computer CPU's and not the little
calculator like ones they do use (process power, I am not saying they are using a calculator processor, just one that is about as powerful when compared to the processor in our computers). Combining images in to an HDR image would require major processing power and a considerable amount of RAM. Both things digital cameras have very little of. More of both however would be nice. They could do some really good menu interfaces, trully powerful black and white conversion instead of just desaturating the color image and more. Imagine a dSLR with an ISO of 20,000 with noise ninja noise reduction? It would certainly open the door for some interesting things. But, would also increase the cost of a camera by $500 to $1000. Somebody! |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:07:31 -0700, "Somebody" wrote:
They could do some really good menu interfaces, trully powerful black and white conversion instead of just desaturating the color image and more. You must be using some older cameras or something. One that I tested for this doesn't just desaturate the image for B&W modes. Comparing two images taken of the same color chart, one taken in color and another in B&W mode, then using a channel mixer in an editor to make the color image's color squares match the gray levels in the B&W image's respective gray squares. It came out to be the same proportions as if seen by the eye or if doing B&W darkroom work. From memory, the channels in the color photo came out to be something like 21% red, 64% green, and 15% blue to match the same gray levels in the B&W image. A simple desaturation wouldn't cause that. That was the first thing I tried in the editor with the color photo, just desaturating it, the gray levels between the two were all way off. It was one of the Canon PowerShots that I tested for this. I was curious to see how they were doing it. |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
Somebody wrote:
...Imagine a dSLR with an ISO of 20,000 with noise ninja noise reduction? It would certainly open the door for some interesting things. But, would also increase the cost of a camera by $500 to $1000. Yes, and it's available in the newest models. The $5,000 Nikon D3 for example at ISO 25,600 (boosted). -- Paul Furman Photography http://edgehill.net Bay Natives Nursery http://www.baynatives.com |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:13:38 -0700, Paul Furman wrote:
Somebody wrote: ...Imagine a dSLR with an ISO of 20,000 with noise ninja noise reduction? It would certainly open the door for some interesting things. But, would also increase the cost of a camera by $500 to $1000. Yes, and it's available in the newest models. The $5,000 Nikon D3 for example at ISO 25,600 (boosted). Funny that. I bought a Sony camera with NightShot mode over 6 years ago that has ISO 3200 in it that's perfectly acceptable and can even take images (and videos, even while zooming) and swiftly focus, doing all this in total darkness with infrared light alone. A $5,000 camera today that can't even do that? You can keep it. Boy, do they ever have you people snowballed and brainwashed. Bend over and take it with a smile on your face, just as you always do. |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
Brandon Grande wrote:
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:13:38 -0700, Paul Furman wrote: Somebody wrote: ...Imagine a dSLR with an ISO of 20,000 with noise ninja noise reduction? It would certainly open the door for some interesting things. But, would also increase the cost of a camera by $500 to $1000. Yes, and it's available in the newest models. The $5,000 Nikon D3 for example at ISO 25,600 (boosted). Funny that. I bought a Sony camera with NightShot mode over 6 years ago that has ISO 3200 3,200 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 25,600 and ISO 6,400 without boosting in it that's perfectly acceptable and can even take images (and videos, even while zooming) and swiftly focus, doing all this in total darkness with infrared light alone. A $5,000 camera today that can't even do that? You can keep it. Boy, do they ever have you people snowballed and brainwashed. Bend over and take it with a smile on your face, just as you always do. -- Paul Furman Photography http://edgehill.net Bay Natives Nursery http://www.baynatives.com |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:38:55 -0700, Paul Furman wrote:
Brandon Grande wrote: On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 00:13:38 -0700, Paul Furman wrote: Somebody wrote: ...Imagine a dSLR with an ISO of 20,000 with noise ninja noise reduction? It would certainly open the door for some interesting things. But, would also increase the cost of a camera by $500 to $1000. Yes, and it's available in the newest models. The $5,000 Nikon D3 for example at ISO 25,600 (boosted). Funny that. I bought a Sony camera with NightShot mode over 6 years ago that has ISO 3200 3,200 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 25,600 and ISO 6,400 without boosting 1 real f-stop, and 2 fake ones, does not a $4,500 increase in cost, nor a sale, make. You are more than welcome to be first in line to buy one. I'll just watch and laugh if you don't mind. I'll gladly give up that extremely meager increase in favor of the extra capabilities not even in that camera, which I already bought over 6 years ago. Put it in perspective. You're being taken for an ultimate fool. That must be the new marketing campaign. "Let's see just what they are willing to bend over and take, and even be happy about paying for the royal reaming we're going to give them." While they laugh all the way to the bank at the expense of turning you into an even bigger fool than last year. That's *exactly* what it boils down to. |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:08:31 -0700, aniramca wrote:
I am just wondering whether HDR feature can be embedded in their image processing (or using a special sensor) in a digital camera. Is this possible? Will it likely be included in future cameras - just another feature or option before taking the photos? Or is such a digital camera already here? I know some people will ask this necessity as there are softwares (photoshop CS, Photomatix, and many others) that can do this job as a post processing. It is fine for them who spend hundred of hours playing around with 20 MB RAW photo files, and do a lot of post processing, etc. Unfortunately, there are likely others like me who must do something else to make a living (i.e. not a professional) and there are not enough hours in a day to spend the time post-processing photos. If I have to do this, it means that I have to cut my sleep, or let the grass in my yard grows. (This is another reason that I keep having a nagging question about the digital camera which has better processing engine than the others, so that it can give me the better quality and rich colour photos without spending extra time to play around with in teh computer). Thanks for info Have you tried simply applying a curve correction to a raw file in something like ufraw? It's not full blown hdr, but it can yield some fairly impressive results - and it does not take very long - a metter of a few seconds. |
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Digital camera (P&S or DSLR) with built in HDR feature
Brandon Grande wrote:
Paul Furman wrote: Brandon Grande wrote: Paul Furman wrote: Somebody wrote: ...Imagine a dSLR with an ISO of 20,000 with noise ninja noise reduction? It would certainly open the door for some interesting things. But, would also increase the cost of a camera by $500 to $1000. Yes, and it's available in the newest models. The $5,000 Nikon D3 for example at ISO 25,600 (boosted). Funny that. I bought a Sony camera with NightShot mode over 6 years ago that has ISO 3200 I see the old $1,000 Sony DSCF707 with Nightshot at ISO 400 but ISO 3200 doesn't appear to have come till this spring with the DSC-H9, and infrared is different from regular low light photography. 3,200 x 2 x 2 x 2 = 25,600 and ISO 6,400 without boosting 1 real f-stop, and 2 fake ones, does not a $4,500 increase in cost, nor a sale, make. I would guess everything over 800 is pushed on the Sony. That would be three stops faster and probably at least another two stops improvement possible in the lens, exponentially less shutter lag, etc. Plenty of differences. I'm not saying the D3 is a bargain or that I'm going to run out & buy it immediately, just that 'Somebody's dream of ISO 20,000 is already exceeded if somebody wants that. Personally, I would find a clean fast ISO 6400 very useful, the 25600 is in fact barely useable. |
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