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Old February 10th 12, 12:05 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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Default Kodak to stop making digital cameras

http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/...l?ref=business
or - http://tinyurl.com/7fc5nzs

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...ankruptcy.html
or - http://tinyurl.com/88kq392

Trying to sell patents...
Trying to license its brand...

Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack
Welch used to say...).

I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps
others.

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Old February 10th 12, 03:18 AM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
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Default Kodak to stop making digital cameras

On Thu, 9 Feb 2012 16:19:20 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote:
: On Feb 9, 6:05*pm, Alan Browne
: wrote:
: http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/...uters-kodak.ht...
: or -http://tinyurl.com/7fc5nzs
:
: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-0...out-digital-ca...
: or -http://tinyurl.com/88kq392
:
: Trying to sell patents...
: Trying to license its brand...
:
: Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack
: Welch used to say...).
:
:
: They are in serious trouble if they think printers are a going
: concern.

The fact that Kodak is in serious trouble is hardly news to anyone.

Bob
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Old February 10th 12, 05:23 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm
Chloe
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On 10/02/2012 9:05 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack
Welch used to say...).

I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps
others.


Re-inventing the wheel has never been a brilliant business plan.
Especially when your rivals already lead the field with innovative products.

Concentrating on printers makes perfectly good sense for a company who's
history has always been about selling stuff to make pictures with.

I remember way back when my mother (May she forever lie in peace) took
me to town to buy me a darkroom kit for my 12th birthday. For many years
after that I always bought from the Kodak shop. Paper, Chemicals dishes
and various darkroom tools.

For my 15th Birthday she once again went to the Kodak shop. This time to
buy me a Kodak Retinette 1A camera. My first 35mm camera. In all the
film I shot with this camera were some of my most memorable photographs.
Family history of long gone, cherished relatives. My first of many
things recorded forever on Kodak film. Printed on Kodak paper and
developed in Kodak chemicals.

The camera was far from being a shining example of greatness. The
Voiglander I bought when I started work as a cub photographer was so
superior to the Kodak in every way, I often wondered why Kodak ever
bothered making cameras.

How ironic that a lifetime later, making cameras has sunk the company.
Now it they just get the cost of their wide format paper and packaged
photo paper under control and actually concentrate on being competitive
in the market place, They might just survive.

BTW... Is there any valid reason for cross posting to similar groups
when everyone reads those groups too? Looks more like newsgroup spam
than legitimate news... As if there is anything newsworthy in the stuff
that get posted in these cross posted messages. More like plagiarism in
to eyes.
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Old February 10th 12, 06:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
William Hamblen
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On 2012-02-10, Mxsmanic wrote:
tony cooper writes:

Not anyone here, perhaps, but do one of those "nospam" market tests
and go down to your local chain drugstore and ask the first 100 people
to name ten American companies that are successful and I'd bet you'd
find Kodak on the list of many responders. There are many people who
don't follow business news like this.


Maybe that's why they want to license the brand. Soon we'll have Kodak
keychains, caps, and coasters.


I've already seen Kodak Christmas tree lights. This was not a recent event.

Bud

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Old February 10th 12, 07:16 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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On 2012-02-10 12:57 , William Hamblen wrote:

I've already seen Kodak Christmas tree lights. This was not a recent event.


I recall Polaroid VHS tapes. These were contract manufactured and
branded Polaroid.

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Old February 10th 12, 10:19 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
[email protected] (Ted Nolan
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In article ,
Alan Browne wrote:
On 2012-02-10 12:57 , William Hamblen wrote:

I've already seen Kodak Christmas tree lights. This was not a recent event.


I recall Polaroid VHS tapes. These were contract manufactured and
branded Polaroid.


I have a Polaroid LCD (analog not hidef digital) TV/Monitor. There's probably
still "Polaroid" products being made today. And I have confidence there
will still be "Kodak" prodacts in the future.

It's even possible "Kodak" will become an important company. If I recall
the process, today's "AT&T" was originally RBOC Bellsouth (nee Southern Bell)
which bought out the floundering original AT&T and adopted its name because
the name tested so well.
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Old February 10th 12, 10:55 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo
Alan Browne
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On 2012-02-10 11:40 , Bruce wrote:
wrote:
On 10/02/2012 9:05 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack
Welch used to say...).

I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps
others.


Re-inventing the wheel has never been a brilliant business plan.



I see Alan Browne is showing (yet again) his near-total ignorance of
the photo industry. I suppose it matches his ignorance across a broad
range of topics related to photography, so it is to be expected.

For those who are interested in the facts, rather than the usual
Browne BS, Kodak sold its sensor design and manufacturing business to
Platinum Equity in early November 2011. It was widely reported across
the photo web sites and in printed media and discussed on Usenet photo
newsgroups:


Really "Bruce", do you lay in wait for my slightest error to make an ad
hominem attack? Pathetic is too light a word for your ... condition.

With that in mind however, let me refer to some facts since you seem so
fond of them:

QUOTE
But I must be fair to the 75-150mm f/4 Zuiko; it made me money,
because the results were good enough for several picture
editors. One of my shots taken with this lens was on the cover
of "Paris Match" in the late 1970s. The two most "profitable"
lenses I owned were this and the 24mm f/2.8 Zuiko, which is a
fine lens and every bit the equal of the Nikkor.

..
Tony Polson, North Yorkshire, UK
UNQUOTE

ref:
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/uk.r...w/uyb4AdyG_x4J

What editor Tony?
What edition of Paris Match Tony?

C'mon Tony. Show us your "prowess".

Or should these photographic "facts" taken by you suffice to demonstrate
your actual abilities?

http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000a.jpg
http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000b.jpg
http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000c.jpg
http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cg...-98/d9000d.jpg

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Old February 10th 12, 10:57 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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On 2012-02-10 01:04 , John A. wrote:

Then again, they did sell off the sensor division.
http://www.kodak.com/ek/US/en/Image_..._Solutions.htm


Ah well...

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Old February 10th 12, 10:59 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo
Alan Browne
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On 2012-02-10 11:23 , Chloe wrote:
On 10/02/2012 9:05 AM, Alan Browne wrote:

Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack
Welch used to say...).

I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps
others.


Re-inventing the wheel has never been a brilliant business plan.
Especially when your rivals already lead the field with innovative
products.


I believe Kodak had a brilliant chance to lead, but they took several
missteps. The rest ...

Concentrating on printers makes perfectly good sense for a company who's
history has always been about selling stuff to make pictures with.


So it seemed. However, stepping back companies such as hp and several
others have been in printing, longer and larger than Kodak for a long
time (at least at the consumer/small office stuff.

I remember way back when my mother (May she forever lie in peace) took
me to town to buy me a darkroom kit for my 12th birthday. For many years
after that I always bought from the Kodak shop. Paper, Chemicals dishes
and various darkroom tools.


My first exp. in a darkroom was with a friend who's parents helped him
get started.

For my 15th Birthday she once again went to the Kodak shop. This time to
buy me a Kodak Retinette 1A camera. My first 35mm camera. In all the
film I shot with this camera were some of my most memorable photographs.
Family history of long gone, cherished relatives. My first of many
things recorded forever on Kodak film. Printed on Kodak paper and
developed in Kodak chemicals.


The camera was far from being a shining example of greatness. The
Voiglander I bought when I started work as a cub photographer was so
superior to the Kodak in every way, I often wondered why Kodak ever
bothered making cameras.


Their largest film markets were in selling family memories, not catering
to photographers. So the cameras had to be both cheap and simple. Good
enough for the market buying the film.

How ironic that a lifetime later, making cameras has sunk the company.


Over reliance on the printer market did that.

Now it they just get the cost of their wide format paper and packaged
photo paper under control and actually concentrate on being competitive
in the market place, They might just survive.


Hopefully.

BTW... Is there any valid reason for cross posting to similar groups
when everyone reads those groups too? Looks more like newsgroup spam
than legitimate news... As if there is anything newsworthy in the stuff
that get posted in these cross posted messages. More like plagiarism in
to eyes.


I've been a member of these and other photo NG's for well over 10 years.
I'm not a prolific x-poster, but I do x-post where I believe there
will be interest in it.

Chloe, I hope you participate in the current shoot-in, due this Sunday.
http://www.pbase.com/shootin/letter_u

Cheers,
Alan
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Old February 10th 12, 11:04 PM posted to rec.photo.digital.slr-systems,rec.photo.equipment.35mm,rec.photo.digital
Alan Browne
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On 2012-02-09 19:56 , Mxsmanic wrote:
Alan Browne writes:

Trying to sell patents...


What will happen after all the patents are sold?

The idea behind patents is to be able to manufacture new inventions without
competition for a brief period. Just selling patents is a dead end.


Not selling them while the company disappears robs shareholders of their
value. OTOH, at the rate they're disappearing (equity wise) I'm not
sure there will be any cash left over after creditors take their bites.
Can creditors make claims on the patents and sell them (?).


Trying to license its brand...


Why would anyone want to license the brand of a company that is going
bankrupt?


The "brand" still has carrying power - it is highly recognized.


Will focus on printers (they are 6th in the market ... what did Jack
Welch used to say...).


They might as well focus on notebook paper. Nobody gets rich making printers
these days.


Disposable shaving blade model.

I suppose they're still selling large sensors to Hasselblad and perhaps
others.


So why aren't they making money?


Appears I was in error - already sold off that business according to John.

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