Why can't I find a camera like this?

All I want is:

- A superzoom camera with the design and lens of the Panasonic Lumix FZ5 or
FZ7
- At least 7mp
- Optical Image Stabilization
- A low noise sensor like that in the Fuji F10

It seems doable, just nobody has done it.

- Pannys are great cameras but lots of image noise.
- Few superzooms seem to be over 6mp.
- Fuji has a superzoom but it doesn't have OIS.
- Sony has a new OIS superzoom coming out 7mp, but it's kind of big. They
are usually better in the low noise department, though.

Not me, what I want is a point and shoot without a zoom, with a fast prime
with an equivalent focal lenght of 50mm and with a noiseless sensor like the
one in a 10/20/30D. It would have to be thin and light and use compact
flash cards.

Jean

"Prime" a écrit dans le message de
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All I want is:

- A superzoom camera with the design and lens of the Panasonic Lumix FZ5
or
FZ7
- At least 7mp
- Optical Image Stabilization
- A low noise sensor like that in the Fuji F10

It seems doable, just nobody has done it.

- Pannys are great cameras but lots of image noise.
- Few superzooms seem to be over 6mp.
- Fuji has a superzoom but it doesn't have OIS.
- Sony has a new OIS superzoom coming out 7mp, but it's kind of big. They
are usually better in the low noise department, though.

Prime wrote:
All I want is:

- A superzoom camera with the design and lens of the Panasonic Lumix FZ5 or
FZ7
- At least 7mp
- Optical Image Stabilization
- A low noise sensor like that in the Fuji F10

It seems doable, just nobody has done it.

- Pannys are great cameras but lots of image noise.
- Few superzooms seem to be over 6mp.
- Fuji has a superzoom but it doesn't have OIS.
- Sony has a new OIS superzoom coming out 7mp, but it's kind of big. They
are usually better in the low noise department, though.


I want one. But, make sure the noise level can match Canon 20D and the
dynamic range can be as good as Fujifilm S3 and the OIS is at least 3
stops and be 10MP like the Nikon D200. The price should be like
Panasonic FZ5.

jean wrote:
Not me, what I want is a point and shoot without a zoom, with a fast prime
with an equivalent focal lenght of 50mm and with a noiseless sensor like the
one in a 10/20/30D. It would have to be thin and light and use compact
flash cards.

Noise is related to pixel size because the sensors are photon
noise limited for their rated quantum efficiencies, at least
in decent cameras, even point and shoots (it can only get
worse; photon noise limited is the best one can do). The
smaller compact cameras with small pixels collect fewer photons.
Noise is the square root of the number of collected photons.
It is fundamental physics and the only real thing that could
change is increasing quantum efficiency (about 2x to 3x is possible)
but not likely soon in cheap cameras.

See: Digital Cameras: Does Pixel Size Matter?
Factors in Choosing a Digital Camera
http://www.clarkvision.com/imagedeta...el.size.matter

Roger


Jean

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All I want is:

- A superzoom camera with the design and lens of the Panasonic Lumix FZ5

or

FZ7
- At least 7mp
- Optical Image Stabilization
- A low noise sensor like that in the Fuji F10

It seems doable, just nobody has done it.

- Pannys are great cameras but lots of image noise.
- Few superzooms seem to be over 6mp.
- Fuji has a superzoom but it doesn't have OIS.
- Sony has a new OIS superzoom coming out 7mp, but it's kind of big. They
are usually better in the low noise department, though.

l e o posted the exciting message
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Prime wrote:
All I want is:

- A superzoom camera with the design and lens of the Panasonic Lumix
FZ5 or FZ7
- At least 7mp
- Optical Image Stabilization
- A low noise sensor like that in the Fuji F10

It seems doable, just nobody has done it.

- Pannys are great cameras but lots of image noise.
- Few superzooms seem to be over 6mp.
- Fuji has a superzoom but it doesn't have OIS.
- Sony has a new OIS superzoom coming out 7mp, but it's kind of big.
They are usually better in the low noise department, though.


I want one. But, make sure the noise level can match Canon 20D and the
dynamic range can be as good as Fujifilm S3 and the OIS is at least 3
stops and be 10MP like the Nikon D200. The price should be like
Panasonic FZ5.


I know my original post looks like a wild wish list. But I don't think it
is out of the current technical realm.

I love the FZ5 size and format, but I don't like the noise I've seen on
sample pictures.
The Fuji F10 is widely admired for having very low noise due to Fuji's
superior sensor technology. Not as good as a larger SLR sensor, but
approaching that quality. But Fuji's superzoom doesn't have OIS!

It just seems that each manufacturer has strengths, but nobody has all of
them:

Panasonic - great size and design; great lens; great OIS
Fuji - great sensor technology, but no OIS
Sony - great cameras with relatively low noise, but too big. Plus those
annoying memory sticks.
I'd rather not get a DSLR, I don't want the size, cost of lenses, or
potential dust.

Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:
jean wrote:
Not me, what I want is a point and shoot without a zoom, with a fast prime
with an equivalent focal lenght of 50mm and with a noiseless sensor like the
one in a 10/20/30D. It would have to be thin and light and use compact
flash cards.

Noise is related to pixel size because the sensors are photon
noise limited for their rated quantum efficiencies, at least
in decent cameras, even point and shoots (it can only get
worse; photon noise limited is the best one can do).

Okay. You have convinced me. The ideal camera has only one pixel and
that pixel must be six feet across....

Prime wrote:
All I want is:

- A superzoom camera with the design and lens of the Panasonic Lumix
FZ5 or FZ7
- At least 7mp
- Optical Image Stabilization
- A low noise sensor like that in the Fuji F10

It seems doable, just nobody has done it.

- Pannys are great cameras but lots of image noise.
- Few superzooms seem to be over 6mp.

Little reason to be. Superzoom lenses by their nature are very
difficult to make and maintain high quality imaging capability. So why have
over 6mp? If the lens can't produce the quality why pay for a sensor that
can record it? The "superzoom" lenses on DSLRs are fine. The do a good job
but they don't match the imaging capability of the sensors, however you can
buy other lenses that will.

- Fuji has a superzoom but it doesn't have OIS.
- Sony has a new OIS superzoom coming out 7mp, but it's kind of big.
They are usually better in the low noise department, though.

I don't think you noted it, but it sounds like you also want a small
camera, that eliminates the superzoom and larger sensor as they by nature
will be larger.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

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"jean" wrote:

Not me, what I want is a point and shoot without a zoom, with a fast prime
with an equivalent focal lenght of 50mm and with a noiseless sensor like the
one in a 10/20/30D. It would have to be thin and light and use compact
flash cards.

If it's a fixed lens then I want 28mm, not 50mm -- though a 28mm/56mm
two position lens would be good too :-)

I don't care what type of card it uses, they're so cheap now.

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Bruce | 41.1670S | \ spoken | -+-
Hoult | 174.8263E | /\ here. | ----------O----------

"John A. Stovall" a écrit dans le message de
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 22:09:28 -0500, "jean" wrote:

Not me, what I want is a point and shoot without a zoom, with a fast
prime
with an equivalent focal lenght of 50mm and with a noiseless sensor like
the
one in a 10/20/30D. It would have to be thin and light and use compact
flash cards.

Here is what you want.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/columns/DMD.shtml

See, I'm not alone ;-) The Ricoh GR Digital
(http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/spec..._grdigital.asp) would be
great IF it had a better sensor.

Jean

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"cjcampbell" wrote:

Roger N. Clark (change username to rnclark) wrote:
jean wrote:
Not me, what I want is a point and shoot without a zoom, with a fast
prime
with an equivalent focal lenght of 50mm and with a noiseless sensor like
the
one in a 10/20/30D. It would have to be thin and light and use compact
flash cards.

Noise is related to pixel size because the sensors are photon
noise limited for their rated quantum efficiencies, at least
in decent cameras, even point and shoots (it can only get
worse; photon noise limited is the best one can do).

Okay. You have convinced me. The ideal camera has only one pixel and
that pixel must be six feet across....

Nah, they'd still blow it up to 200% on the screen and see noise in the
shadow...