DIY stabilizer

On 4/21/2014 9:21 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
In article 2014042117543059044-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom,
says...

On 2014-04-22 00:38:43 +0000, "J. Clarke" said:

In article ,
says...

Le 31/03/14 02:33, PeterN a écrit :

Not sure it works where it is most needed, on long, heavy lenses.

Noëlle Adam
I have used a variation, using mono filament, instead of a string. It is
similar to what tony Cooper described and works quite well.


On long heavy lense with no place to mount a tripod ?
Nowadays, when I have a blurry shot it is with my 80-200 2,8, old model
that does not allow the use of a tripod collar. (It slide for zooming).

A friend, who was not a experienced photographer but a ranked elite
military (and martial artist), was able to shoot pictures with no blur
at 1 to 2 second.
With no VR of course, whatever the weight of the lense.
Oh ****.


"I don't know but I've been told, sight alignment and trigger control"--
common cadence on the way to or from the rifle range in the US military,
or those parts of it which still teach sight alignment and trigger
control.

Those are the fundamentals, they have been ever since rudimentary
sights were fitted to a wheel-lock. They still apply to an M16, an
AK47, shotgun, or a handgun whether you are using iron/open, or optical
sights.

You know that and I know that, but at one time I understand the Army
went off the deep end with "instinct shooting" or some such. I don't
know if they've continued that or if any other branches have joined the
madness.


You've been around for a while, and know how it works. There is a
colonel who feels his department hasn't spent its yearly budget. So he
hires a consultant. The consultant has a lucrative contract, so he comes
up with concepts, that he can get paid for testing, and even better,
implementing. Didn't your police department do some equivalent?

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PeterN

In article ,
YouDontNeedToKnowButItsNoëlle wrote:

Take a look at where tripod collars are fitted to long lenses.
As I reviously said, my lense is the model with the sliding zoom, so
there is no real way to put a collar on it, except may be very near the
front and that would be awkward. Usually collars are on the middle.

what you want is a bracket that mounts on the camera but extends out
along the lens axis, and provides a tripod mount under the lens.

ideally it's adjustable so it can work with various lenses.

think flash bracket, but turned 90 degrees.

Le 22/04/14 11:32, Eric Stevens a écrit :

See
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/ima..._1779-1200.jpg


Mine is this one :
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-200mm-f28-af.htm

Noëlle Adam

On 4/22/2014 5:43 AM, YouDontNeedToKnowButItsNoëlle wrote:
Le 21/04/14 22:01, PeterN a écrit :

When hand holding (a tele lens,) I remove the tripod collar to reduce
the weight. I also turn off VR for my bird shooting.

I guess your birds are moving so you prefer high speed and fast focusing.

Noëlle Adam


Yup!

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PeterN

On Tue, 22 Apr 2014 17:30:18 +0200, YouDontNeedToKnowButItsNoëlle
wrote:

Le 22/04/14 11:32, Eric Stevens a écrit :

See
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/ima..._1779-1200.jpg


Mine is this one :
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/80-200mm-f28-af.htm


It looks as though it was designed with no provision for fitting a
tripod mounting.
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Regards,

Eric Stevens

On 2014-03-30 22:18:43 +0000, RichA said:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:54:33 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
Will make you look pretty stupid, but a pretty nifty solution for

stabilizing your camera.



http://petapixel.com/2014/03/30/smal...etaphorically/


Might be applicable to rifles too. If it works.

This is the purpose of the rifle sling. There are engravings in old
books on military tactics that show riflemen "slung up" from several
hundred years ago.

I have often used my camera strap in a similar way.

On 2014-04-22 23:27:33 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex
said:

On 2014-03-30 22:18:43 +0000, RichA said:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:54:33 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
Will make you look pretty stupid, but a pretty nifty solution for

stabilizing your camera.



http://petapixel.com/2014/03/30/smal...etaphorically/

Might

be applicable to rifles too. If it works.

This is the purpose of the rifle sling. There are engravings in old
books on military tactics that show riflemen "slung up" from several
hundred years ago.

Yup! Addressed further back in this thread, and more likely used within
the last 120 years with the advent of the bolt action rifle rather than
several hundred years ago, and still used today even in Olympic prone &
kneeling target shooting.

I have often used my camera strap in a similar way.

All you have to do is develop a technique which works for you.


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Regards,

Savageduck

On 2014-04-23 00:18:28 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2014-04-22 23:27:33 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex
said:

On 2014-03-30 22:18:43 +0000, RichA said:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:54:33 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
Will make you look pretty stupid, but a pretty nifty solution for

stabilizing your camera.



http://petapixel.com/2014/03/30/smal...etaphorically/


Might

be applicable to rifles too. If it works.

This is the purpose of the rifle sling. There are engravings in old
books on military tactics that show riflemen "slung up" from several
hundred years ago.

Yup! Addressed further back in this thread, and more likely used within
the last 120 years with the advent of the bolt action rifle rather than
several hundred years ago, and still used today even in Olympic prone &
kneeling target shooting.

I have often used my camera strap in a similar way.

All you have to do is develop a technique which works for you.

German 'freeshooters' used the sling hundreds of years ago, as shown in
medieval German fechtbuchen.

On 2014-04-23 02:33:27 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex
said:

On 2014-04-23 00:18:28 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2014-04-22 23:27:33 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex
said:

On 2014-03-30 22:18:43 +0000, RichA said:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:54:33 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
Will make you look pretty stupid, but a pretty nifty solution for

stabilizing your camera.



http://petapixel.com/2014/03/30/smal...etaphorically/

Might

be

applicable to rifles too. If it works.

This is the purpose of the rifle sling. There are engravings in old
books on military tactics that show riflemen "slung up" from several
hundred years ago.

Yup! Addressed further back in this thread, and more likely used within
the last 120 years with the advent of the bolt action rifle rather than
several hundred years ago, and still used today even in Olympic prone &
kneeling target shooting.

I have often used my camera strap in a similar way.

All you have to do is develop a technique which works for you.

German 'freeshooters' used the sling hundreds of years ago, as shown in
medieval German fechtbuchen.

That is interesting as the "fechtbuchen" seem to deal mainly with
bladed weapons, maces, battle axes, and dueling techniques rather than
firearms. I would be interested to see the illustrations of which you
speak since i don't know of too many medieval firearms which were
fitted with slings, or which had an appreciable degree of accuracy over
the crossbow or longbow.

So perhaps you could post a few examples of any of these "Freischütz"
using a sling as a brace.

There were hand cannons, the arquebus, and matchlock. The wheel-lock
came along some time later. All three of those weapons were usually
supported by, and fired with the use of a fork support, not a sling.

The flintlock emerged in the 17th century to reach its pinnacle in the
late 18th & early 19th century with the development of rifled
flintlocks. The first slings started to appear in the 18th Century
with arrival of the British "Brown Bess" and even then it was not used
as a bracing or support device, or even described as such in the
British manual of arms. I am sure that there were earlier slings, but I
doubt that with the loading procedures of 17th & 18th century muskets
that they were much more than carrying devices.

Then the percussion cap was developed and everything changed again.
When the rifled percussion weapons with accuracy over greater than
typical 18th & 19th century engagement ranges came into general use,
there were certainly marksmen who looked for every advantage when using
their weapons, and using the sling as an improvised brace was one.

I received extensive training in the use of a sling in youth
marksmanship programs and in the military, and using a sling with a
rifle has long been second nature to me. I also have an interest in
firearm history which for me dates back almost 60 years.



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Regards,

Savageduck

On 2014-04-23 04:35:35 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2014-04-23 02:33:27 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex
said:

On 2014-04-23 00:18:28 +0000, Savageduck said:

On 2014-04-22 23:27:33 +0000, Oregonian Haruspex
said:

On 2014-03-30 22:18:43 +0000, RichA said:

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:54:33 PM UTC-4, Sandman wrote:
Will make you look pretty stupid, but a pretty nifty solution for

stabilizing your camera.



http://petapixel.com/2014/03/30/smal...etaphorically/


Might

be

applicable to rifles too. If it works.

This is the purpose of the rifle sling. There are engravings in old
books on military tactics that show riflemen "slung up" from several
hundred years ago.

Yup! Addressed further back in this thread, and more likely used within
the last 120 years with the advent of the bolt action rifle rather than
several hundred years ago, and still used today even in Olympic prone &
kneeling target shooting.

I have often used my camera strap in a similar way.

All you have to do is develop a technique which works for you.

German 'freeshooters' used the sling hundreds of years ago, as shown in
medieval German fechtbuchen.

That is interesting as the "fechtbuchen" seem to deal mainly with
bladed weapons, maces, battle axes, and dueling techniques rather than
firearms. I would be interested to see the illustrations of which you
speak since i don't know of too many medieval firearms which were
fitted with slings, or which had an appreciable degree of accuracy over
the crossbow or longbow.

So perhaps you could post a few examples of any of these "Freischütz"
using a sling as a brace.

There were hand cannons, the arquebus, and matchlock. The wheel-lock
came along some time later. All three of those weapons were usually
supported by, and fired with the use of a fork support, not a sling.

The flintlock emerged in the 17th century to reach its pinnacle in the
late 18th & early 19th century with the development of rifled
flintlocks. The first slings started to appear in the 18th Century
with arrival of the British "Brown Bess" and even then it was not used
as a bracing or support device, or even described as such in the
British manual of arms. I am sure that there were earlier slings, but I
doubt that with the loading procedures of 17th & 18th century muskets
that they were much more than carrying devices.

Then the percussion cap was developed and everything changed again.
When the rifled percussion weapons with accuracy over greater than
typical 18th & 19th century engagement ranges came into general use,
there were certainly marksmen who looked for every advantage when using
their weapons, and using the sling as an improvised brace was one.

I received extensive training in the use of a sling in youth
marksmanship programs and in the military, and using a sling with a
rifle has long been second nature to me. I also have an interest in
firearm history which for me dates back almost 60 years.

I will look through my collection of fechtbuchen here soon. I have
many in PDF format that I have collected over the years. Some of them
might be best described as war manuals, but regardless I do recall
seeing several illustrations that clearly show freeshooters slung up.
Gewhere, Pistolen, Revolver by Heinrich Müller shows a number of
illustrations and painings depicting slung rifles, as well as many
examples of early rifles that show mounting rings, slots, and the like.
De Geyn's book on weapon handling, "Waffenhandlung" is an example of a
fechtbuch that is concerned with not only melee weapons but firearms,
if you are interested. It however does not show slung rifles, but
rather the depicted freeshooters are using monopods.

While it's true that the standardized military firearms were not rifled
until much later than these illustrations date from, the freeshooter
was not enlisted in the military, but was rather a mercenary hired for
a campaign or even a battle. They were armed with their own personal
weapons, and had considerably more freedom on the field than a
conscript or even many officers. This may be why the freeshooter's use
of the sling is not included in military history, as their tactics were
not derived from the standardized drills which have been studied
extensively.

I have often visited the firearms museum in Cody, Wyoming and there are
many fine examples of rifled, reloadable breech loading cartridge
firearms, of which the earliest I have seen date back to the late
1500s. Many of these weapons feature sling mounts of varying kinds.