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In article , Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

Eric Stevens:
I spent several years working in a senior position in the
maintenance department of a large combined pulp, paper and
sawmill. I came to know a great deal about what is and is
not generally regarded as maintenence. Fixing breakdowns is
commonly regarded as maintenance.

nospam:
maybe in that industry it is, but that's not the case
everywhere and certainly not for computers.

Not all maintenance is "repair" work... but all repair work is
maintenance.

Nope.

however, it does confirm that there is a difference between
the two.

It confirms that the words are not synonyms, which means they won't
likely show each up in a dictionary definition of the other.

Of course, since they are as related as workout and surgery.

You are welcome to maintain that 'maintenance' does not
encompass 'repair' but the NSOED does not agree with you.

Too logical for nospam. So now we have a typical illogical
analysis:

Dictionary definitions deemed "illogical" in rpd, news at 11.

Examples of MAINTENANCE 1. The building has suffered from years
of poor maintenance. 2. the costs of routine car maintenance 3.
maintenance of law and order 4. money for the family's
maintenance

the word 'repair' is not mentioned.

But if one were to go where you belong, to the Learner's Dictionary:

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/de...on/maintenance

You'll find this very clear statement:

"1: the act of maintaining something or someone: such as a: the act
of keeping property or equipment in good condition by making
repairs, correcting problems, etc. b: ... c: ... 2: ..."

"Maintenance" is a word with a rather broad scope, which includes
anything that might be defined as "repair", while repair has a
fairly narrow scope.

No. But that's the first dictionary that even relates them. Sadly, none of
the examples it lists have anything to do with repairs. And it's quite
contradictory. It starts quite correctly with "the act of maintaining
something", yet also mentions repairs, which is quite the opposite of
"maintaining something" given the fact that repairs actually changes
something, most of the times quite drastically.

When you wash your car, that's maintenance, it keeps the paint job
protected against dirt and thus maintains it's shine. When you put wax on
it, you're also maintaining that shine by protecting it against UV rays and
dirt, water etc.

When you fix a rust damage on your car, you're repairing a damage, not
maintaining it. Maintaining a damage would be to make sure it doesn't grow
bigger, which is a viable option. That would also be maintenance. Sanding
it and repainting it is not maintenance, it's repairing the paint job to
it's former appearance - the exact opposite of maintenance.



--
Sandman[.net]

In article , Tony Cooper
wrote:

Repairs and maintenance go hand-in-hand with buildings and
automobiles. Building maintenance - whether a commercial or
residential building - requires repair as *part* of the maintenance. A
building is maintained by keeping all the parts in good condition and
repairing or replacing those parts as needed. Replacing worn washers
in a sink faucet is both maintenance and repair. In an automobile, a
worn but not broken fan belt replacement is both maintenance and
repair.

what you describe is maintenance, not a repair.

if a fan belt breaks or a pipe leaks, then it's a repair.

simply changing them every so often is *maintenance* so that the fan
belt *doesn't* break and the pipe *doesn't* leak at an inconvenient
time. much better to change them before an actual repair is needed.

Sandman wrote:
In article , Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

Eric Stevens:
I spent several years working in a senior position in the
maintenance department of a large combined pulp, paper and
sawmill. I came to know a great deal about what is and is
not generally regarded as maintenence. Fixing breakdowns is
commonly regarded as maintenance.

nospam:
maybe in that industry it is, but that's not the case
everywhere and certainly not for computers.

Not all maintenance is "repair" work... but all repair work is
maintenance.

Nope.

however, it does confirm that there is a difference between
the two.

It confirms that the words are not synonyms, which means they won't
likely show each up in a dictionary definition of the other.

Of course, since they are as related as workout and surgery.

You are welcome to maintain that 'maintenance' does not
encompass 'repair' but the NSOED does not agree with you.

Too logical for nospam. So now we have a typical illogical
analysis:

Dictionary definitions deemed "illogical" in rpd, news at 11.

Examples of MAINTENANCE 1. The building has suffered from years
of poor maintenance. 2. the costs of routine car maintenance 3.
maintenance of law and order 4. money for the family's
maintenance

the word 'repair' is not mentioned.

But if one were to go where you belong, to the Learner's Dictionary:

http://www.learnersdictionary.com/de...on/maintenance

You'll find this very clear statement:

"1: the act of maintaining something or someone: such as a: the act
of keeping property or equipment in good condition by making
repairs, correcting problems, etc. b: ... c: ... 2: ..."

"Maintenance" is a word with a rather broad scope, which includes
anything that might be defined as "repair", while repair has a
fairly narrow scope.

No. But that's the first dictionary that even relates them. Sadly, none of
the examples it lists have anything to do with repairs. And it's quite
contradictory. It starts quite correctly with "the act of maintaining
something", yet also mentions repairs, which is quite the opposite of
"maintaining something" given the fact that repairs actually changes
something, most of the times quite drastically.

When you wash your car, that's maintenance, it keeps the paint job
protected against dirt and thus maintains it's shine. When you put wax on
it, you're also maintaining that shine by protecting it against UV rays and
dirt, water etc.

When you fix a rust damage on your car, you're repairing a damage, not
maintaining it. Maintaining a damage would be to make sure it doesn't grow
bigger, which is a viable option. That would also be maintenance. Sanding
it and repainting it is not maintenance, it's repairing the paint job to
it's former appearance - the exact opposite of maintenance.

Lets hope you speak Greek or Chinese well. You're understanding of
English is pre-beginner level.

--
Floyd L. Davidson http://www.apaflo.com/
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska)

In article , Floyd L. Davidson wrote:

Lets hope you speak Greek or Chinese well. You're understanding of
English is pre-beginner level.

I couldn't get any better endorsement than having Floyd tell me I don't
understand English. Thanks!


--
Sandman[.net]

On 3/6/2014 1:55 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote:

however, it does confirm that there is a difference between the
two.

I've just done what I should have done a long time ago: I looked up
'maintenence" in the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary. The
NSOED devotes a great deal of time to the various legal and
litigatory meanings of the word but gives as one meaning:

"The action of keeping something in working order, in repair etc".

You are welcome to maintain that 'maintenance' does not encompass
'repair' but the NSOED does not agree with you.

From the Actual Oxford Dictionary of English:

maintenance
noun [ mass noun ]
1 the process of preserving a condition or situation or the state of being
preserved

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...sh/maintenance

The Oxford Dictionary of English doesn't agree with you.



Hey popinjay,
Is there something snipped from the OED definition, limiting the
preservation process to non-repair items.




--
PeterN

In article , PeterN wrote:

Sandman:
From the Actual Oxford Dictionary of English:

maintenance noun [ mass noun ] 1 the process of preserving a
condition or situation or the state of being preserved

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...sh/maintenance

The Oxford Dictionary of English doesn't agree with you.

Hey popinjay

Hey moron.

Is there something snipped from the OED definition,
limiting the preservation process to non-repair items.

You are correct that there is nothing in the Oxford Dictionary of English
that extends the process to repairing items.

Likewise, there is nothing in the OED definition of "moron" that limits it
to non-PeterN people.


--
Sandman[.net]

On 3/5/2014 3:22 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens

snip


In fact, some organisations, to their shame, practice what is known as
'breakdown maintenance' (you only maintain it when it breaks down).

a lot of people do that and they're morons.

Not if cash flow is an issue. Yes it can be a high risk gamble, but if
cash flow is too low they may have no other choice.
There are also other reasons why such a policy might be adopted. Don't
be so quick to judge.


however, it does confirm that there is a difference between the two.

Nothing of the sort. Repairs are often a subset of maintenance.

Using your own definition, is blowing the dust off a sensor maintenance
a repair?
If a keyboard suffers from CFIK, is the fix a repair, and why.

--
PeterN

On 3/6/2014 12:40 PM, Sandman wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote:

Sandman:
From the Actual Oxford Dictionary of English:

maintenance noun [ mass noun ] 1 the process of preserving a
condition or situation or the state of being preserved

http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/de...sh/maintenance

The Oxford Dictionary of English doesn't agree with you.

Hey popinjay

Hey moron.

Is there something snipped from the OED definition,
limiting the preservation process to non-repair items.

You are correct that there is nothing in the Oxford Dictionary of English
that extends the process to repairing items.

Likewise, there is nothing in the OED definition of "moron" that limits it
to non-PeterN people.



Now that's the sort of answer I would expect from a well mannered Popinjay.
There is a better term for you, chose btween schuuck or assohole.
either, or both wil fit.

--
PeterN

In article , PeterN wrote:

PeterN:
Is there something snipped from the OED definition, limiting the
preservation process to non-repair items.

Sandman:
You are correct that there is nothing in the Oxford Dictionary of
English that extends the process to repairing items.

Likewise, there is nothing in the OED definition of "moron" that
limits it to non-PeterN people.

Now that's the sort of answer I would expect from a well mannered
Popinjay. There is a better term for you, chose btween schuuck or
assohole. either, or both wil fit.

I can't understand how you trolls can post an ad hominem and then whine
when you're treated the same way back.

If you want to be treated like an adult, behave like one.


--
Sandman[.net]

On 3/6/2014 2:28 PM, Sandman wrote:
In article , PeterN wrote:

PeterN:
Is there something snipped from the OED definition, limiting the
preservation process to non-repair items.

Sandman:
You are correct that there is nothing in the Oxford Dictionary of
English that extends the process to repairing items.

Likewise, there is nothing in the OED definition of "moron" that
limits it to non-PeterN people.

Now that's the sort of answer I would expect from a well mannered
Popinjay. There is a better term for you, chose btween schuuck or
assohole. either, or both wil fit.

I can't understand how you trolls can post an ad hominem and then whine
when you're treated the same way back.

If you want to be treated like an adult, behave like one.



follow your own advice.

--
PeterN