Sony closes 2/3 of its stores in the U.S.

In article , sid wrote:

sid:
Do you actually read what you have written previously? Although
the same thing is available on other systems, the same thing is
easier on a Mac? Really?

Sandman:
It's a simple concept. A steering wheel is available for a 1967
Dodge Charger and a 2014 Dodge Charger. Steering is easier on a
2014 Dodge Charger.

That's all well and good if you only want to go round one corner

Talk about an inability to understand an analogy. Related to Peter,
mayhaps?

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Sandman[.net]

In article , Eric Stevens wrote:

PeterN:
Wow. that has a lot to do with photography. Another very helpful
comment from the popinjay.

Jonas should read the early articles in the thread. Or at least read
my comments on the subject to nospam. He will then find the
discussion _was_ about repairs.

Actually, it wasn't. You're once again incorrect.

Rich posted that he didn't know Sony had stores. People talked about stores
and their function and then Clarke wrote this:

J. Clarke
03/01/2014

"Perhaps the new investors will actually know how to run a
computer business. Sony made pretty machines with nice
features but they were pretty much unmaintanable."

Unmaintainable. Nothing about repair. "Me" responded with:

Me
03/01/2014

"Surely you jest. "Unmaintainable" has become a standard
"feature" of many consumer oriented computing devices,
high-end fondle-slabs, phones etc. Given the choice of slim,
sleek, seamless, and shiny, "easily maintained" started
losing the race years ago."

To which nospam responded:

nospam
03/01/2014

"the macbook air and macbook pro are *very* maintainable,
with little to no effort form the user."

See, still about maintenance, not repairs. Only then does "Me" respond
with:

Me
03/01/2014

"Not according to iFixit they ain't:"

Clearly directing the topic from maintenance into repairs. Guess what
nospam answered?

nospam
03/01/2014

"ifixit doesn't maintain macbooks, they repair them.
that's two entirely different things."

Trying to keep the discussion on-topic.

I accept that some dictionaries may lead him to believe otherwise but the
inclusion of repairs under the heading of maintenance is a common English
usage.

No it isn't.

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Sandman[.net]

In article , PeterN wrote:

Sandman:
Damn, I was hoping you would leave the group when you said bye. I
know better than to trust your word!

Imagine how much better this place would be without you . less
trolling and more discussion about photography!

Uhm! What ws the last time you posted anything but vitriol Crawl
under your rock, troll.

Ironic.

You would know if you weren't a troll, Peter.

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Sandman[.net]

In article , sid wrote:

Sandman:
Incorrect. I have been pointing out factual information, not
talked about something being "better", god or not. The
discussion was about ease of mainatenance, and I have provided
factual information to that end. None of my posts have been "X
is better because I say so" or any unsupported claims that
aren't based on facts. I leave that to religious nuts, or
"fanboys" as I like to call you guys. Only, you're an
anti-fanboy, where you would discredit anything that is said
about a specific brand or company that you disprove of,

sid:
You're off you're ****ing rocker if you believe that ****e. Show
me where I have discredited any specific brand or product.

nospam:
other than apple, you mean?

So that's a no then, I suppose that's because I haven't said
anything bad or disparaging about Apple, all I've said is it's not
better than other systems. I may have said bad or disparaging things
about fanatical Apple disciples but that is not the same thing at
all.

You're a reasonable person in your own mind, sid. This is how you started
out your "contributions" to the thread:

sid
Sony closes 2/3 of its stores in the U.S.
03/01/2014

"Another wildly sweeping statement with absolutely no grounds
in reality. Your iWhatever is no easier no matter how
brainwashed you are with Apple propaganda."

Clearly setting the tone of how "unbiased" you are.

You see, the problem with you black and white fanboys are that we're not
like you. Both me and nospam have tons of stuff we dislike about both
Apple and their products. That's what balanced opinion is all about. We
both prefer Macs over the alternatives but aren't claiming that it's better
in all aspects of it.

People who call other "brainwashed" in their first post in a thread are the
religious nuts, the ones that can only see something their own way. People
that can't be reasoned with or talked to.

You see, had you joined the thread and asked:

"I have no experience with Macs, but in what way are they easier to
maintain?"

You would have posted like an adult with higher cognitive functions. BUt
you didn't. You saw someone write "Macs" and you went into troll bezerk
mode "gaaah, someone said Macs, must be cult memebers, iWhatever!
Brainwashed, gaarrgle!!" while failing to realise that you are the only one
that fits that description.

Most of the "Mac vs. X" in this group boils down to correcting
misinformation from our resident tech ignorant people like Eric, Tony and
Peter. They make some really wild claim that is incorrect and both me and
nospam correct them. And then they troll back. Few posts here are *actual*
Mac vs. Windows since there is no one here savvy enough to advocate
*Windows* in any capacity, so most are just nitpicking small details - guys
like you.


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Sandman[.net]

In article , sid wrote:

sid:
No matter how often you try and change the subject it is still
about maintenance. Read what nospam wrote at the start of this
little spat.

Sandman:
nospam Sony closes 2/3 of its stores in the U.S. 03/01/2014


"maintaining a mac is very easy, far easier than for windows and
certainly linux."

Yeah, ease of use was nowhere to be found there.

Selective quoting is such a dishonest way of trying to make a point
don't you think?

nospam actually said

"this is about maintenance, as in normal operation of the unit.

maintaining a mac is very easy, far easier than for windows and
certainly linux."

So, basically, you blame me for taking a quote out of "context" and then
just add one sentence that doesn't change the meaning of the following
sentence - while ALSO snipping out all the other parts of his original
post, here quoted in its entirety:

nospam
Sony closes 2/3 of its stores in the U.S.
03/01/2014

"ifixit doesn't maintain macbooks, they repair them.

that's two entirely different things.

this is about maintenance, as in normal operation of the
unit.

maintaining a mac is very easy, far easier than for windows
and certainly linux.

if the computer fails, send it in for repair, just as you
would any other laptop that fails. there's no difference
between a macbook and anything else.

if it's under warranty, the repair is free. if not, it's a
flat rate repair charge and sometimes they waive that charge
if it's a known issue."

Still doesn't change the fact that ease of use was the main claim.

Sandman:
In a discussion about ease of use, the end result is
irrelevant, it's *HOW* you get to the end result that is all
that matters.

sid:
You are wrong again, the end result *is* what is being talked
about.

Sandman:
Nope.

Stop being such an arrogant ******, you were not part of the
discussion in the first place yet you barge in and then tell one of
the original participants of that discussion that they are not
talking about what they plainly were.

It's because you're incorrect. I am correcting your misinformation.

I'll leave you the last word.

Wow, that would be LOVELY. You won't troll any more? Thank you!


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Sandman[.net]

In article , Eric Stevens wrote:

nospam:
In article , Eric
Stevens

Eric Stevens:
Why are you excluding repairs? Most people would not.

nospam:
because repairs aren't maintenance.

if something fails, you get it fixed.

if you have ongoing repairs, you have bigger problems.

Eric Stevens:
It was absolutely clear from the opening discussion that repairs
were the subject. You too entered the discussion in the context
of repairs.

nospam:
no it was not.

the original statement was *unmaintainable*, not unrepairable.

"Sony made pretty machines with nice features but they were pretty
much unmaintanable."

Now quote the relevent parts of the rest of the opening articles
(including your own). It shouldn't be hard, I've given them to you
twice. Everybody (including yourself) was discussing repairs.

Eric is now claiming that the topic was about *repairs* based on followup
articles to an earlier article that *wasn't* about repairs.

Man, this circus is funnier each day.


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Sandman[.net]

In article , sid wrote:

Sandman:
Why are you here?

Because I was having a discussion with nospam when you barged in,
you arrogant ******.

Haha, "barged in" answering a question that nospam hadn't answered. Twice,
even! Yeah, that's some really heavy "barging" there, sid.

You see - unlike Tony I didn't try to hijack the conversation to post just
to antagonize you. I posted something that was on-topic and without vitriol
or even any personal comments. You even snipped the list out making claims
that I was under some form of "illusion" (i.e. responding with animosity)
and I replied without commenting on that, without responding in kind, and
you gave you a new list, that was a lot more focused on maintenance.

You snipped most of that list as well, clearly displaying your arrogance
towards reasonable discussion.




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Sandman[.net]

On 3/4/2014 9:56 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:29:55 -0500, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/4/2014 1:42 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote:

nospam:
In article , Eric
Stevens

what hardware maintenance is there to do?

since there is basically none, maintenance must mean
software.

PeterN:
So drives, memory chips, and batteries never fail.

nospam:
straw man, and those items are *repair*, not maintenance.

come back when you learn the difference.

Eric Stevens:
In the very early days of this discussion someone quoted fro
iFixit. Repairs were included in maintenance.

nospam:
people don't send computers to ifixit or anywhere else for
maintenance.

You are focussed on such a narrow definition of maintenance that you
must be suffereing from eye strain.

No matter how wide you focus, the word "maintenance" doesn't magically come
to include repairs. Stop reading from Andreas clown dictionary.



Wow. that has a lot to do with photography. Another very helpful comment
from the popinjay.

Jonas should read the early articles in the thread. Or at least read
my comments on the subject to nospam. He will then find the discussion
_was_ about repairs. I accept that some dictionaries may lead him to
believe otherwise but the inclusion of repairs under the heading of
maintenance is a common English usage.


For tax and accounting purposes repairs & maintenance expenses are
usually placed in the same category. There is no distinction between as
for business purposes, the object of maintenance and ordinary repairs is
to help keep the item working. Extraordinary repairs are generally those
repairs that tend to extend the useful life, or expand the use. Some
here like to use these distinctions without a difference, to cover up
stupid claims
If anyone here has further questions, they are free to do there own
research. If they want me to clarify, they can py me a fee, in advance.
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PeterN

In article , PeterN wrote:

Eric Stevens:
Jonas should read the early articles in the thread. Or at least
read my comments on the subject to nospam. He will then find the
discussion _was_ about repairs. I accept that some dictionaries
may lead him to believe otherwise but the inclusion of repairs
under the heading of maintenance is a common English usage.

For tax and accounting purposes repairs & maintenance expenses are
usually placed in the same category.

That's not actually a rule in itself. A company can choose to combine or
seperate them. My company has these accounting categories:

5520 Underhåll datorer, verktyg
6071 Reparation, avdragsgill
6072 Reparation, ej avdragsgill

Use Google translate to see what they mean.

But, a company may choose to combine them. And somehow I get the feeling
that you thinks that makes the word "maintenance" magically also mean
"repair". Because the definition of words are based on how they are used in
accounting books.

There is no distinction between as for business purposes, the object of
maintenance and ordinary repairs is to help keep the item working.

Just because they're in the same accounting category doesn't make the
concepts the same. And as I have substantiated above - a company may choose
to separate them - so I suppose that means that the words are not
interchangeable anymore?

You guys and basing word definitions on faulty logic...

Extraordinary repairs are generally those repairs that tend to extend the
useful life, or expand the use. Some here like to use these distinctions
without a difference, to cover up stupid claims If anyone here has
further questions, they are free to do there own research. If they want
me to clarify, they can py me a fee, in advance.

Yes, because substantiating your claims will cost *us* money. Haha.


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Sandman[.net]

On Wed, 05 Mar 2014 07:23:04 -0500, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/4/2014 9:56 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Tue, 04 Mar 2014 19:29:55 -0500, PeterN
wrote:

On 3/4/2014 1:42 AM, Sandman wrote:
In article , Eric Stevens wrote:

nospam:
In article , Eric
Stevens

what hardware maintenance is there to do?

since there is basically none, maintenance must mean
software.

PeterN:
So drives, memory chips, and batteries never fail.

nospam:
straw man, and those items are *repair*, not maintenance.

come back when you learn the difference.

Eric Stevens:
In the very early days of this discussion someone quoted fro
iFixit. Repairs were included in maintenance.

nospam:
people don't send computers to ifixit or anywhere else for
maintenance.

You are focussed on such a narrow definition of maintenance that you
must be suffereing from eye strain.

No matter how wide you focus, the word "maintenance" doesn't magically come
to include repairs. Stop reading from Andreas clown dictionary.



Wow. that has a lot to do with photography. Another very helpful comment
from the popinjay.

Jonas should read the early articles in the thread. Or at least read
my comments on the subject to nospam. He will then find the discussion
_was_ about repairs. I accept that some dictionaries may lead him to
believe otherwise but the inclusion of repairs under the heading of
maintenance is a common English usage.


For tax and accounting purposes repairs & maintenance expenses are
usually placed in the same category. There is no distinction between as
for business purposes, the object of maintenance and ordinary repairs is
to help keep the item working. Extraordinary repairs are generally those
repairs that tend to extend the useful life, or expand the use. Some
here like to use these distinctions without a difference, to cover up
stupid claims
If anyone here has further questions, they are free to do there own
research. If they want me to clarify, they can py me a fee, in advance.

I spent several years working in a senior position in the maintenance
department of a large combined pulp, paper and sawmill. I came to know
a great deal about what is and is not generally regarded as
maintenence. Fixing breakdowns is commonly regarded as maintenance. In
fact, some organisations, to their shame, practice what is known as
'breakdown maintenance' (you only maintain it when it breaks down).
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Regards,

Eric Stevens