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Olympus 4/3rds advantages fading
RichA wrote:
Dear Olympus: You can take the silly 140-600mm sticker off your 70-300mm lens. The party is over. Canon now has an 18 megapixel APS sensored camera. I really just don't get the point in this crap that CONTINUALLY is posted on internet forums. Be it Nikon, Canon or whatever bashing. I doubt ANY of the people who "blast" these products have ever used one. They base everything they post off some review site or parroting nonsense they have heard from other people here. I might can see if someone is interested in make 16X20 or larger prints the advantage of over 10MP or if they NEED higher that 400ISO wanting a larger sensor. But for MOST people ANY DSLR today can deliver the goods at 11X14 and smaller print sizes. I've got some really nice 11X14 prints done with a "noise box" 5MP E1 that look as good as print of the same size I've made with newer Canon APS-C sensor camera. I'm sure at the pixel level there is noise but you can't see ANY of it when printed. But I guess that is the difference between a photographer and a "tech nerd", a photographer looks at the finished product. |
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writes But for MOST people ANY DSLR today can deliver the goods at 11X14 and smaller print sizes. Most any P&S will deliver a good 11x14" print under the right circumstances. Your point is? Fact is, Olympus never had a 4/3 advantage. They bought into 4/3 as a route to the masses, having given up lunch at the top table when they stopped development of the OM series over a decade earlier. Does it hurt Olympus that the "advantage" is fading? Not at all. They have made no attempt to disguise the fact that their business model has been "cheap and cheerful" for the past 25 years, and they have been very successful in leveraging that, and more strength to them! -- Kennedy Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed. Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying) |
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Kennedy McEwen writes:
They have made no attempt to disguise the fact that their business model has been "cheap and cheerful" for the past 25 years, and they have been very successful in leveraging that, and more strength to them! Still, I think the lament of many on a group like this is that back in the day, companies like Olympus (and Pentax) managed to offer a very appealing mixture of relatively cheap, small and light, but _also_ very high quality (not just in terms of pictures either, those cameras were very nicely built, and just felt _good_). I think there's a perception that the 4/3 stuff is a sign that they've ditched "high quality" as a goal. Maybe the economics just aren't there anymore, but it would really be nice if there were DSLR equivalents of the OM-2 or ME super: small, light, elegant, but also of solid, high quality construction, and on par with the best professional cameras in terms of images produced. -Miles -- ..Numeric stability is probably not all that important when you're guessing. |
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BTW, another point I think, is that there's a sense that a false
dichotomy is being created with modern DSLRs and their marketing -- that a camera can only be "high quality" if it's a massive bloated expensive beast. Olympus's (and Panasonic's) pushing of 4/3 for "small and light" cameras seems an unfortunate attempt to reinforce that false dichotomy. -Miles -- Justice, n. A commodity which in a more or less adulterated condition the State sells to the citizen as a reward for his allegiance, taxes and personal service. |
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In article , Miles Bader
writes Kennedy McEwen writes: They have made no attempt to disguise the fact that their business model has been "cheap and cheerful" for the past 25 years, and they have been very successful in leveraging that, and more strength to them! Still, I think the lament of many on a group like this is that back in the day, companies like Olympus (and Pentax) managed to offer a very appealing mixture Don't get me wrong, Miles. I think Olympus could have been one of the greats in this industry! But, with Yoshihisa Maitani still warm in his grave, it is worth saying that he was the only visionary of that goal that Olympus ever had. Once he left the OM project (the "M" is his name) it died a long slow death and Olympus (the other letter in the name) with it. They have been little more than a toy camera maker for a couple of decades now. Maitani was a little man, but left a huge legacy that the rest of the company simply failed to live up to. ;-( -- Kennedy Yes, Socrates himself is particularly missed; A lovely little thinker, but a bugger when he's ****ed. Python Philosophers (replace 'nospam' with 'kennedym' when replying) |
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Miles Bader wrote:
Kennedy McEwen writes: They have made no attempt to disguise the fact that their business model has been "cheap and cheerful" for the past 25 years, and they have been very successful in leveraging that, and more strength to them! Still, I think the lament of many on a group like this is that back in the day, companies like Olympus (and Pentax) managed to offer a very appealing mixture of relatively cheap, small and light, but _also_ very high quality (not just in terms of pictures either, those cameras were very nicely built, and just felt _good_). I think there's a perception that the 4/3 stuff is a sign that they've ditched "high quality" as a goal. That depends on what your notion of high quality is. They can assuredly make the highest quality 4/3 system if they want. They will never match the highest quality FF system. For that, they've lost the opportunity to retain and gain the pickiest amateurs and pros. If that is the niche they are comfortable in, so be it. |
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Miles Bader wrote:
BTW, another point I think, is that there's a sense that a false dichotomy is being created with modern DSLRs and their marketing -- that a camera can only be "high quality" if it's a massive bloated expensive beast. Image quality is a thing of the basic mechanics of the camera (lens, mount, viewfinder, shutter, sensor). All the rest that 'bloats' the cameras are just the features that people come to expect as they've been in all the high end cameras before. Needless to say (so I'll say it anyway) a FF sensor will always trump a smaller sensor for a given number of pixels. That race will never close because whatever benefits can be brought to a smaller sensor (esp. for noise) will always be applicable for a larger sensor. Olympus's (and Panasonic's) pushing of 4/3 for "small and light" cameras seems an unfortunate attempt to reinforce that false dichotomy. All it does is draw attention to their lack of a larger sensor system. |
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Alan Browne wrote:
Miles Bader wrote: Kennedy McEwen writes: They have made no attempt to disguise the fact that their business model has been "cheap and cheerful" for the past 25 years, and they have been very successful in leveraging that, and more strength to them! Still, I think the lament of many on a group like this is that back in the day, companies like Olympus (and Pentax) managed to offer a very appealing mixture of relatively cheap, small and light, but _also_ very high quality (not just in terms of pictures either, those cameras were very nicely built, and just felt _good_). I think there's a perception that the 4/3 stuff is a sign that they've ditched "high quality" as a goal. That depends on what your notion of high quality is. They can assuredly make the highest quality 4/3 system if they want. They will never match the highest quality FF system. It depends on what the final product looks like if it's high quality or not. As I posted, I've got 11X14 prints from both an E1 and a "late" canon APS-c camera and at that print size, they are both "high quality". If I can't see any improvement in the final product, how is it going to be -higher quality-? As the sensors improve, this difference will be even smaller. Now I'm NOT talking about viewing images at the pixel level. If you enjoy that, no argument you need to be using a LARGE sensor to play that techie game. Just like in film days, of course if you are making larger prints a larger format will produce cleaner results than trying to stretch a smaller format that big, but I doubt MOST people ever print larger than 8X10 and most of the really big prints I have seen people make, the "quality" wasn't anything to do with the camera used! Stephanie |
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Miles Bader wrote:
Kennedy McEwen writes: They have made no attempt to disguise the fact that their business model has been "cheap and cheerful" for the past 25 years, and they have been very successful in leveraging that, and more strength to them! Still, I think the lament of many on a group like this is that back in the day, companies like Olympus (and Pentax) managed to offer a very appealing mixture of relatively cheap, small and light, but _also_ very high quality (not just in terms of pictures either, those cameras were very nicely built, and just felt _good_). I think there's a perception that the 4/3 stuff is a sign that they've ditched "high quality" as a goal. So I assume you have used one? Or are you just repeating a perception? I use both Canon and Olympus stuff and don't see this lack of quality in the Olympus products you talk about here. Maybe compared to a top end full frame Canon with a $$$ L lens, a $500 Olympus kit isn't as high quality but I don't think when you compare models at the same price point they feel cheap compared to their competition. Stephanie |
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