Speaking of misinformation - the corporate mouthpiece

"Bob Larter" wrote in message
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Neil Harrington wrote:
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Neil Harrington wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
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Neil Harrington wrote:
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Neil Harrington wrote:
"Ray Fischer" wrote in message
Neil Harrington wrote:
51% of the American people are OPPOSED to Obama's health
care plan;
The plan uyou corporate shills have been lying about.

Not corporate welfare. Health care.
Free enterprise is not "corporate welfare."
"Free enterprise" means having people die.
"Letting people die" is exactly what the single-payer systems of
Canada
and
Are you insane? It is the US that has the lower life expectancy and
higher infant mortality - not Canada or the US. The US is way behind
other nations.
Already explained in the article I copied in at the beginning.
Yoiu got caugt in another egregious lie and now you're going to try
and change the subject.

That IS the subject, dumb ass. It was YOUR statement and was already
answered before you made it. Here it is again, since you keep snipping it
(are you just afraid to read it, or to deal with it?):

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.. "We spend one-and-a-half times more per person on health care than any
other country, but we aren't any healthier for it."

This is a non sequitur. We spend one and a half times more per person,
true.
But because our health care here is better. That's right - better. True,
our
life expectancy of 78.1 years - which is up sharply from just a decade
ago -
ranks us 30th in the world in longevity. But look a little closer at the
data.

The U.S. homicide rate is two to three times higher than in other
industrial
nations. And we drive a lot more than others, so our auto fatality rate
of
14.24 deaths per 100,000 people is higher than in Germany (6.19), France
(7.4) or Canada (9.25). Add to this, we eat far more than other countries
on
average, contributing to higher levels of heart disease, stroke, diabetes
and cancer.

When all those factors are figured in, according to a recent study by
Robert
Ohsfeldt of Texas A&M and John Schneider of the University of Iowa,
Americans actually live longer than people in other countries - thanks
mainly to our excellent health care.

How does *any* of that explain the poor infant mortality rate in the USA?

I have no idea. What exactly did they die of? I believe infants like grown
people die from specific causes.

In some of our cities, young unwed minority mothers have been known to have
babies in public rest rooms and leave them there, or throw them away in
dumpsters. These babies often die from exposure. I assume that when
pregnant, the same sorts of young women on crack may have higher infant
mortality rates as well. I would be VERY surprised if ordinary middle-class
families experience "poor infant mortality rates" -- on the contrary, I
would suppose ours to be among the best in the world.

"Neil Harrington" wrote in message
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"Bob Larter" wrote in message ...

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How does *any* of that explain the poor infant mortality rate in the USA?

I have no idea. What exactly did they die of? I believe infants like grown people die from specific causes.

In some of our cities, young unwed minority mothers have been known to have babies in public rest rooms and leave them there, or
throw them away in dumpsters. These babies often die from exposure. I assume that when pregnant, the same sorts of young women on
crack may have higher infant mortality rates as well. I would be VERY surprised if ordinary middle-class families experience "poor
infant mortality rates" -- on the contrary, I would suppose ours to be among the best in the world.

YOW! This sure looks like an "Us versus Them" attitude of (to be charitable)
a "classist pig" - but more likely a "racist pig", unfortunately. Now we know
who you don't want your hard earned dollars spent on, don't we? We
certainly can't try to raise all of our citizens up to positions of equality in health
care, let along attempt to help them economically, or to deliver basic rights
(but that last is another issue favored by those "nasty lefties" and opposed by
the Right, to be considered another time...;-)?
--DR

"David Ruether" wrote:
"Neil Harrington" wrote:
"Bob Larter" wrote:
[...]
How does *any* of that explain the poor infant mortality rate in the
USA?

I have no idea. What exactly did they die of? I believe infants like
grown people die from specific causes.

In some of our cities, young unwed minority mothers have been known to
have babies in public rest rooms and leave them there, or throw them away
in dumpsters. These babies often die from exposure. I assume that when
pregnant, the same sorts of young women on crack may have higher infant
mortality rates as well. I would be VERY surprised if ordinary
middle-class families experience "poor infant mortality rates" -- on the
contrary, I would suppose ours to be among the best in the world.

YOW! This sure looks like an "Us versus Them" attitude of (to be
charitable)
a "classist pig" - but more likely a "racist pig", unfortunately. Now we
know
who you don't want your hard earned dollars spent on, don't we? We
certainly can't try to raise all of our citizens up to positions of
equality in health
care, let along attempt to help them economically, or to deliver basic
rights
(but that last is another issue favored by those "nasty lefties" and
opposed by
the Right, to be considered another time...;-)?

The best part of that attitude, though, is how suicidal it is. The vast
majority of the "I don't want my tax dollars spent on them" folks are
exactly the ones who would be better off under single-payer health
insurance. Unless Mr. H. is making well over US$200,000, he should be
jumping for joy at the thought of affordable health care with none of the
abuse the US insurance industry inflicts on its customers.

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

"David Ruether" wrote in message
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"Neil Harrington" wrote in message
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"Bob Larter" wrote in message
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[...]
How does *any* of that explain the poor infant mortality rate in the
USA?

I have no idea. What exactly did they die of? I believe infants like
grown people die from specific causes.

In some of our cities, young unwed minority mothers have been known to
have babies in public rest rooms and leave them there, or throw them away
in dumpsters. These babies often die from exposure. I assume that when
pregnant, the same sorts of young women on crack may have higher infant
mortality rates as well. I would be VERY surprised if ordinary
middle-class families experience "poor infant mortality rates" -- on the
contrary, I would suppose ours to be among the best in the world.

YOW! This sure looks like an "Us versus Them" attitude of (to be
charitable)
a "classist pig" - but more likely a "racist pig", unfortunately.

When citing the rather obvious facts that everyone knows but some pretend
not to see for the sake of political correctness gets one called a
"classist" or "racist," you know you've put your finger on a large part of
the problem.

Now imagine if you were an actual thinking, reasoning person not afraid to
speak the truth, instead of a timid, stay-in-the-flock sheep. Can you even
imagine that, or is it just too far-fetched?

David J. Littleboy wrote:
"David Ruether" wrote:
"Neil Harrington" wrote:
"Bob Larter" wrote:
[...]
How does *any* of that explain the poor infant mortality rate in the
USA?
I have no idea. What exactly did they die of? I believe infants like
grown people die from specific causes.

In some of our cities, young unwed minority mothers have been known to
have babies in public rest rooms and leave them there, or throw them away
in dumpsters. These babies often die from exposure. I assume that when
pregnant, the same sorts of young women on crack may have higher infant
mortality rates as well. I would be VERY surprised if ordinary
middle-class families experience "poor infant mortality rates" -- on the
contrary, I would suppose ours to be among the best in the world.
YOW! This sure looks like an "Us versus Them" attitude of (to be
charitable)
a "classist pig" - but more likely a "racist pig", unfortunately. Now we
know
who you don't want your hard earned dollars spent on, don't we? We
certainly can't try to raise all of our citizens up to positions of
equality in health
care, let along attempt to help them economically, or to deliver basic
rights
(but that last is another issue favored by those "nasty lefties" and
opposed by
the Right, to be considered another time...;-)?

The best part of that attitude, though, is how suicidal it is. The vast
majority of the "I don't want my tax dollars spent on them" folks are
exactly the ones who would be better off under single-payer health
insurance. Unless Mr. H. is making well over US$200,000, he should be
jumping for joy at the thought of affordable health care with none of the
abuse the US insurance industry inflicts on its customers.



What's Sad is the republicans have convinced these people that ANYONE
who makes over $25,000 a year, their ideals will help, that they are
"One of the rich guys like us". When the fact is: their programs and
ideals are aimed at the upper 5% of the population. Like you said, the
left side of the isle does more for Neil (unless he is pulling in $500K+
a year) than ANY republican ever thought about doing, yet he lashes out
at the people who make his life better.

Stephanie

Neil Harrington wrote:


I have no idea.


But you're sure willing to point a finger none the less.

What exactly did they die of? I believe infants like grown
people die from specific causes.

In some of our cities, young unwed minority mothers have been known to have
babies in public rest rooms and leave them there, or throw them away in
dumpsters. These babies often die from exposure. I assume that when
pregnant, the same sorts of young women on crack may have higher infant
mortality rates as well. I would be VERY surprised if ordinary middle-class
families experience "poor infant mortality rates" -- on the contrary, I
would suppose ours to be among the best in the world.



OK here is a concept maybe you can fathom.. Ever consider these people
whose babies die are unable to get health insurance or proper care? I
highly doubt our mortality rates are brought down from the cases you
site, BUT both those cases still reflect a lack of health care.

Stephanie

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Neil Harrington wrote:


I have no idea.


But you're sure willing to point a finger none the less.

What exactly did they die of? I believe infants like grown people die
from specific causes.

In some of our cities, young unwed minority mothers have been known to
have babies in public rest rooms and leave them there, or throw them away
in dumpsters. These babies often die from exposure. I assume that when
pregnant, the same sorts of young women on crack may have higher infant
mortality rates as well. I would be VERY surprised if ordinary
middle-class families experience "poor infant mortality rates" -- on the
contrary, I would suppose ours to be among the best in the world.



OK here is a concept maybe you can fathom..

guffaw!

Yes, any "concept" you can put into words, I think I can fathom.

Ever consider these people whose babies die are unable to get health
insurance or proper care? I highly doubt our mortality rates are brought
down from the cases you site, BUT both those cases still reflect a lack of
health care.

Actually, even in THOSE cases the newborn baby has often been saved by the
arrival of paramedics whose concern for the infant was far greater than its
mother's.

Welfare moms get free medical care and I think in most (maybe not all)
cities it's pretty good care. But good care can only accomplish so much.
Nearly half the cases of infant mortality among non-Hispanic black women
were due to preterm causes. Crack babies I'm sure stand less of a chance of
survival, for example. There isn't much "health insurance or proper care"
can do for a crack-addicted unwed mother who has no real motivation to cure
her addiction.

"John A." wrote in message
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On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 19:04:21 -0400, "Neil Harrington"
wrote:


"David Ruether" wrote in message
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"Neil Harrington" wrote in message
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"Bob Larter" wrote in message
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[...]
How does *any* of that explain the poor infant mortality rate in the
USA?

I have no idea. What exactly did they die of? I believe infants like
grown people die from specific causes.

In some of our cities, young unwed minority mothers have been known to
have babies in public rest rooms and leave them there, or throw them
away
in dumpsters. These babies often die from exposure. I assume that when
pregnant, the same sorts of young women on crack may have higher infant
mortality rates as well. I would be VERY surprised if ordinary
middle-class families experience "poor infant mortality rates" -- on
the
contrary, I would suppose ours to be among the best in the world.

YOW! This sure looks like an "Us versus Them" attitude of (to be
charitable)
a "classist pig" - but more likely a "racist pig", unfortunately.

When citing the rather obvious facts that everyone knows but some pretend
not to see for the sake of political correctness gets one called a
"classist" or "racist," you know you've put your finger on a large part of
the problem.

Stereotypes are not facts.

Stereotypes are nearly all fact-based. That's how they became stereotypes in
the first place.

"John A." wrote:
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:13:09 -0400, "Neil Harrington":

Stereotypes are nearly all fact-based. That's how they became stereotypes
in
the first place.

Oh dear.

Care to name a few?

Right wingers are racist bigots with read-only minds?

--
David J. Littleboy
Tokyo, Japan

Neil Harrington wrote:
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Ever consider these people whose babies die are unable to get health
insurance or proper care? I highly doubt our mortality rates are brought
down from the cases you site, BUT both those cases still reflect a lack of
health care.

Actually, even in THOSE cases the newborn baby has often been saved by the
arrival of paramedics whose concern for the infant was far greater than its
mother's.

And there is the rightard's "solution" - rather than provide
preventative health care it's better to spend a fortune on
emergency care that might not even work.

Welfare moms get free medical care

Wrong again, rightard.

--
Ray Fischer